The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:15 am

Angelus wrote:Ah, so Drum>Karin then. Maybe it should have been a Tambourine and Cymbal VS Karin instead. XD

Another set:

Mr. Buu/Good Buu VS SSJ Gotenks (No time limit)

Dabura VS SSJ Vegeta (not SSJ2 or Majin; Buu Saga)

Babidi VS Nappa

USSJ Future Trunks VS Semi-Perfect Cell (does all that loss of speed matter now?)

SSJ Future Trunks (with sword) VS Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Final Form Cooler, Android 19, Android 20. No absorbing.

999 Centillion Saibamen VS ASSJ Vegeta

Pui Pui VS Burter

1. Gotenks beats him. He's stronger, faster, and since he has no time limit, he won't have to worry about the regeneration now that he has all day to goof around.

2. Since the guide books and the daizenshuu seem to imply that Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabura, and Goku's statements about Dabura would make a lot more sense if that were the case, the only thing saying otherwise was Toriyama's art, which could just be a mistake on his part, I give this to Dabura.

3. Nappa stomps. The only thing Babidi did offensively with his magic was kill Spopovich, and he's comparable to Videl. The only chance he has against the saiyan brute is to get him under his control.

4. Trunks still stomps. The best Cell could do against Vegeta was give him a bloody lip. Trunks is implied to be A LOT stronger than even that. Speed would be around even, or just slightly in Cell's favor. But Trunks can just blast him to smithereens.

5. 5th (Super) Form Cooler beats Trunks alone, unless this is Android Saga Trunks we're talking about. But even if it is, the others would simply be too much to handle alone.

6. Vegeta could probably do it in Base Form, let alone Grade 2. However, there's gonna be A LOT of Saibamen parts lying around. Maybe he'll just blast them all to ashes and cleanse the planet of them.

7. Pui Pui takes this effortlessly. I don't see him THAT weak. I personally have him between 2nd and 3rd Form Freeza, that way he's considered a "strong fighter" that was picked by Babidi, but is still COMPLETE fodder to Base Vegeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:28 am

Yeah, I meant androids saga SSJ Trunks.

I mean, how do you think it would have turned out: SSJ Vegeta VS Android 19 but no absorbing? Vegeta just got weakened by his energy being absorbed.

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Post by Darkron2151 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:34 am

Angelus wrote:Yeah, I meant androids saga SSJ Trunks.

I mean, how do you think it would have turned out: SSJ Vegeta VS Android 19 but no absorbing? Vegeta just got weakened by his energy being absorbed.
Vegeta won even WITH his energy being drained. The only thing different that would've happened would be that Vegeta would just blast him straight away, since the only reason why he didn't was because he knew that 19 would just absorb it, instead of pummeling him. To be honest, I don't really see anything special about 19 or 20 other than the fact that they can absorb energy, since that was primarily why Goku lost (the Kamehameha would've probably killed 19 if he hadn't have absorbed it) and why they were such a threat (and weren't even big ones at that) in the first place. Take away their absorbing, and they're literally just scrap. I don't even see them stronger than 50% Freeza in their initial state to be honest.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:00 am

Yakon vs Goku (Buu) (No KK or SSJ allowed).

18 vs 17.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Galan007 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:05 am

Angelus wrote:Ah, so Drum>Karin then. Maybe it should have been a Tambourine and Cymbal VS Karin instead. XD

Another set:

Mr. Buu/Good Buu VS SSJ Gotenks (No time limit)

Dabura VS SSJ Vegeta (not SSJ2 or Majin; Buu Saga)

Babidi VS Nappa

USSJ Future Trunks VS Semi-Perfect Cell (does all that loss of speed matter now?)

SSJ Future Trunks (with sword) VS Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Final Form Cooler, Android 19, Android 20. No absorbing.

999 Centillion Saibamen VS ASSJ Vegeta

Pui Pui VS Burter
Mr. Buu possessed <50% of his original/Majin power. SSJ Gotenks stomps.

Dabra was around Cell-level. SSJ Vegeta was not. Dabra wins.

I don't see what's stopping Babidi from making Nappa his Majin-mind-slave..?

Trunks stomps. The speed loss of USSJ was only an issue against Perfect Cell(who was MUCH faster than Semi-Perfect Cell.)

Team. #19's(and #20's) absorption ability would be the deciding factor, imo. The Z fighters didn't know they were capable of this until it was almost too late.

That's stupid.

Given his hype, Pui Pui should be far beyond Burter.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:11 am

Zombie wrote:Yakon vs Goku (Buu) (No KK or SSJ allowed).

18 vs 17.
1. Close fight, but Goku would probably win due to better technique and speed, even if Yakon is a bit stronger. What would give Yakon the advantage however is if they're fighting on that dark planet with no light.

2. 17 was said to be stronger not only in the guidebooks, but also he says it himself, while 18 doesn't doesn't object. But that doesn't mean she's not at least close to him. 17 beats her, but after a long fight, especially if they both have infinite stamina.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Galan007 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:15 am

Zombie wrote:Yakon vs Goku (Buu) (No KK or SSJ allowed).

18 vs 17.
So base Goku w/o the ability to powerup at all? Well if SSJ Goku's kili rating was 3,000, then wouldn't his base-level kili rating only be around 60(3,000/50)..? Yakon's was 800. Either way, Yakon was just an energy/light absorbing brick--hard to say how he'd do in a h2h fight where energy/light absorption isn't an option. /shrug

#17 wins. He was more powerful.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:13 am

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Angelus wrote:Yeah, I meant androids saga SSJ Trunks.

I mean, how do you think it would have turned out: SSJ Vegeta VS Android 19 but no absorbing? Vegeta just got weakened by his energy being absorbed.
Vegeta won even WITH his energy being drained. The only thing different that would've happened would be that Vegeta would just blast him straight away, since the only reason why he didn't was because he knew that 19 would just absorb it, instead of pummeling him. To be honest, I don't really see anything special about 19 or 20 other than the fact that they can absorb energy, since that was primarily why Goku lost (the Kamehameha would've probably killed 19 if he hadn't have absorbed it) and why they were such a threat (and weren't even big ones at that) in the first place. Take away their absorbing, and they're literally just scrap. I don't even see them stronger than 50% Freeza in their initial state to be honest.
And that's why I wondered why you thought SSJ Trunks would get overwhelmed by Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Final Form Cooler, Android 19, and Android 20 that won't be absorbing.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:37 am

Mr. Buu VS SSJ3 Goku (Alive)

Gotenks-Buu VS Final Form Hirudegarn (no time limit)

Beerus that just awaken from bed VS Everyone in the BOG movie + Android 17 BUT they gang up on him instead of attacking one by one. No SSJ God.

Mercenary Tao VS The 8 Finalists in the 21st WMAT (No Great Ape)

23rd WMAT Chi Chi VS Baba's 4 Warriors, Bora, Giran, Pamput, Bacterian, Ranfan, and Nam (No devilmite beam)

Cyborg Tao VS Crane Hermit and 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun

50 Saibamen VS Nail

Yajirobe with Sword (with all the abilities, moves, and sword techniques of Himura Kenshin and Hajime Saito from the manga Rurouni Kenshin) VS Old King Piccolo

23rd WMAT Krillin and Yamcha VS Youthful King Piccolo

Mr. Popo and Karin (both with intent to kill) VS 23rd WMAT Piccolo Jr.

Kami VS Saibaman

Garlic Jr. VS 3rd Form Frieza

Naked Blonde Launch VS start of DB Yamcha

Videl (pre-Gohan training) VS Puar (transformation to Wild Tiger/Kekku)

Tapion with Sword VS Raditz (no tail grabbing)

Nappa VS Piccolo, Gohan, Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, 6 Saibamen, Raditz, Roshi, Mr. Popo, Chi Chi, and Korin (All Saiyan Saga; they won't get in each other's way)

Vegeta VS Cui (both equally at 18,000 power level)

Captain Ginyu (in Goku's body) VS Goku (in Captain Ginyu's body) but both are healthy on Namek

Bulma VS Nice Launch

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:05 am

Why are you posting so many match-ups?
Mr. Buu VS SSJ3 Goku (Alive)

Gotenks-Buu VS Final Form Hirudegarn (no time limit)

Beerus that just awaken from bed VS Everyone in the BOG movie + Android 17 BUT they gang up on him instead of attacking one by one. No SSJ God.

Mercenary Tao VS The 8 Finalists in the 21st WMAT (No Great Ape)

23rd WMAT Chi Chi VS Baba's 4 Warriors, Bora, Giran, Pamput, Bacterian, Ranfan, and Nam (No devilmite beam)

Cyborg Tao VS Crane Hermit and 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun

50 Saibamen VS Nail

Yajirobe with Sword (with all the abilities, moves, and sword techniques of Himura Kenshin and Hajime Saito from the manga Rurouni Kenshin) VS Old King Piccolo

23rd WMAT Krillin and Yamcha VS Youthful King Piccolo

Mr. Popo and Karin (both with intent to kill) VS 23rd WMAT Piccolo Jr.

Kami VS Saibaman

Garlic Jr. VS 3rd Form Freeza

Naked Blonde Launch VS start of DB Yamcha

Videl (pre-Gohan training) VS Puar (transformation to Wild Tiger/Kekku)

Tapion with Sword VS Raditz (no tail grabbing)

Nappa VS Piccolo, Gohan, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, 6 Saibamen, Raditz, Roshi, Mr. Popo, Chi Chi, and Karin (All Saiyan Saga; they won't get in each other's way)

Vegeta VS Cui (both equally at 18,000 power level)

Captain Ginyu (in Goku's body) VS Goku (in Captain Ginyu's body) but both are healthy on Namek

Bulma VS Nice Launch
Goku was stronger going by their respective performances against Pure Buu, but not strong enough to stomp him or anything. Call me crazy, but I think Mr. Buu could actually just outlast him, and eventually kill him.

I view Hildegarn as the movie version of Buutenks, so they should be about even in strength. Buu takes it due to superior intelligence and abilities.

If he can two-shot Gohan, then none of the others can make any difference.

Tao Paipai solos effortlessly. He beat up post-21st Goku without even using his full power, being completely unharmed by the Kamehameha. These guys just can't hurt him.

Chi Chi goes through them all like a hot knife through butter. A power level that would be relevant at the 22nd Budokai will do that...

Hmmm... I see Cyborg Tao as being 150-160 or so. Against the 139 Roshi and 120 Crane Hermit... it'd be a good fight. But, their teamwork, experience, and the fact that they're not MUCH weaker than him will let them take it IMO. Roshi would have a decent chance himself. Giving him Crane Hermit as back-up is the lock on the door so to speak.

Nail kills them all.

I'm assuming this is Daimao arc Yajirobe? I don't know about those characters, so I can't comment.

Uh... Kami loses. Badly. Cultivars = 1,200. Kami = <408.

I'm assuming this is filler arc Garlic Jr. He and Freeza would be on par in terms of power, maybe with Freeza slightly in the lead. Freeza is a better fighter than Garlic Jr, but his immortality means Freeza has no real way to put him down. He could just break all his limbs and leave him there, of course, but I see Garlic Jr being able to outlast Freeza before that happens.

So Videl vs a tall muscular man. I think she's got this.

No way to tell.

If they get a bit of prep time to plan their assault, I think the team can manage something. They'd need to keep the pressure on Nappa, though, and not lose morale when some of them start dying. Or they could just all hold down Nappa while Piccolo spends a minute or so charging a weak (but still sufficient) SBC.

Vegeta. Cui has no fighting skill at all and a defeatist attitude, so despite being equal in power to Vegeta, he'll lose badly.

Goku. Even if they both fail at drawing out the powers of their bodies (which seems unlikely; Goku mocked Ginyu for his inability to make his mind and body one), Ginyu's body is stronger than Goku's body (without Kaio-ken). So if they both drop to about one quarter of their respective powers, Goku in Ginyu's body would still be able to beat the hell out of Ginyu in Goku's body.

Somehow, Lunch can run nearly as fast as Usain Bolt, and hit as hard as a heavyweight boxer. Nice Lunch is still the same person, and so should be capable of the same feats. Bulma loses.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:05 am

Why are you posting so many match-ups?
Mr. Buu VS SSJ3 Goku (Alive)

Gotenks-Buu VS Final Form Hirudegarn (no time limit)

Beerus that just awaken from bed VS Everyone in the BOG movie + Android 17 BUT they gang up on him instead of attacking one by one. No SSJ God.

Mercenary Tao VS The 8 Finalists in the 21st WMAT (No Great Ape)

23rd WMAT Chi Chi VS Baba's 4 Warriors, Bora, Giran, Pamput, Bacterian, Ranfan, and Nam (No devilmite beam)

Cyborg Tao VS Crane Hermit and 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun

50 Saibamen VS Nail

Yajirobe with Sword (with all the abilities, moves, and sword techniques of Himura Kenshin and Hajime Saito from the manga Rurouni Kenshin) VS Old King Piccolo

23rd WMAT Krillin and Yamcha VS Youthful King Piccolo

Mr. Popo and Karin (both with intent to kill) VS 23rd WMAT Piccolo Jr.

Kami VS Saibaman

Garlic Jr. VS 3rd Form Freeza

Naked Blonde Launch VS start of DB Yamcha

Videl (pre-Gohan training) VS Puar (transformation to Wild Tiger/Kekku)

Tapion with Sword VS Raditz (no tail grabbing)

Nappa VS Piccolo, Gohan, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, 6 Saibamen, Raditz, Roshi, Mr. Popo, Chi Chi, and Karin (All Saiyan Saga; they won't get in each other's way)

Vegeta VS Cui (both equally at 18,000 power level)

Captain Ginyu (in Goku's body) VS Goku (in Captain Ginyu's body) but both are healthy on Namek

Bulma VS Nice Launch
Goku was stronger going by their respective performances against Pure Buu, but not strong enough to stomp him or anything. Call me crazy, but I think Mr. Buu could actually just outlast him, and eventually kill him.

I view Hildegarn as the movie version of Buutenks, so they should be about even in strength. Buu takes it due to superior intelligence and abilities.

If he can two-shot Gohan, then none of the others can make any difference.

Tao Paipai solos effortlessly. He beat up post-21st Goku without even using his full power, being completely unharmed by the Kamehameha. These guys just can't hurt him.

Chi Chi goes through them all like a hot knife through butter. A power level that would be relevant at the 22nd Budokai will do that...

Hmmm... I see Cyborg Tao as being 150-160 or so. Against the 139 Roshi and 120 Crane Hermit... it'd be a good fight. But, their teamwork, experience, and the fact that they're not MUCH weaker than him will let them take it IMO. Roshi would have a decent chance himself. Giving him Crane Hermit as back-up is the lock on the door so to speak.

Nail kills them all.

I'm assuming this is Daimao arc Yajirobe? I don't know about those characters, so I can't comment.

Uh... Kami loses. Badly. Cultivars = 1,200. Kami = <408.

I'm assuming this is filler arc Garlic Jr. He and Freeza would be on par in terms of power, maybe with Freeza slightly in the lead. Freeza is a better fighter than Garlic Jr, but his immortality means Freeza has no real way to put him down. He could just break all his limbs and leave him there, of course, but I see Garlic Jr being able to outlast Freeza before that happens.

So Videl vs a tall muscular man. I think she's got this.

No way to tell.

If they get a bit of prep time to plan their assault, I think the team can manage something. They'd need to keep the pressure on Nappa, though, and not lose morale when some of them start dying. Or they could just all hold down Nappa while Piccolo spends a minute or so charging a weak (but still sufficient) SBC.

Vegeta. Cui has no fighting skill at all and a defeatist attitude, so despite being equal in power to Vegeta, he'll lose badly.

Goku. Even if they both fail at drawing out the powers of their bodies (which seems unlikely; Goku mocked Ginyu for his inability to make his mind and body one), Ginyu's body is stronger than Goku's body (without Kaio-ken). So if they both drop to about one quarter of their respective powers, Goku in Ginyu's body would still be able to beat the hell out of Ginyu in Goku's body.

Somehow, Lunch can run nearly as fast as Usain Bolt, and hit as hard as a heavyweight boxer. Nice Lunch is still the same person, and so should be capable of the same feats. Bulma loses.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Galan007 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:13 pm

Probably been done, but I'm curious to hear some opinions...

Janemba(evolved) vs. Super Buu.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:25 pm

Galan007 wrote:Probably been done, but I'm curious to hear some opinions...

Janemba(evolved) vs. Super Buu.
Janemba had some trouble with SS3 Goku. Super Buu was stated to be far stronger than Goku. More importantly, he was repeatedly implied to be many times stronger than him, via Gotenks. He tears Janemba limb from limb.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:34 pm

Androids saga newly fused Kamiccolo VS End of Z base Goku and Vegeta

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Post by Galan007 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:31 pm

Angelus wrote:Androids saga newly fused Kamiccolo VS End of Z base Goku and Vegeta
Excluding SSJG-level power, Kamiccolo stomps hard. As of BoG: Kamiccolo=#17>#18>SSJ Vegeta>SSJ Trunks=/>Namek-arc SSJ Goku>>100% Freeza>base Goku(and presumably, base Vegeta.)

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Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:03 pm

Pre ROSAT SSJ Kid Trunks and Goten VS 17& 18

Post ROSAT Kid Goten VS Cell Jr

Post ROSAT Kid Trunks VS Start of Cell Games Perfect Cell

Base Gotenks VS Mr. Buu/Good Buu

Mystic Gohan VS SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SPC, Mr. Buu/Good Buu
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:10 pm

Angelus wrote:Pre ROSAT SSJ Kid Trunks and Goten VS 17& 18

Post ROSAT Kid Goten VS Cell Jr

Post ROSAT Kid Trunks VS Start of Cell Games Perfect Cell

Base Gotenks VS Mr. Buu/Good Buu

Mystic Gohan VS SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SPC, Mr. Buu/Good Buu
The kids stomp, they're stronger than Buu arc Piccolo.

The Jr takes it... barely. I'm assuming the Jr has some skill.

Trunks tears him apart. Assuming this is the initial "warm-up" Cell, anyway.

Buu stomps.

Gohan stomps. Gotenks is the only fight here who will take more than one hit to beat, and even then, he's gonna get a beatdown.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:57 pm

Angelus wrote:Pre ROSAT SSJ Kid Trunks and Goten VS 17& 18

Post ROSAT Kid Goten VS Cell Jr

Post ROSAT Kid Trunks VS Start of Cell Games Perfect Cell

Base Gotenks VS Mr. Buu/Good Buu

Mystic Gohan VS SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SPC, Mr. Buu/Good Buu
1. The kids "break" their new toys.

2. I'll give it to Cell Jr, but only because of his diverse attacks. Otherwise, the two are even in power.

3. Trunks takes this if Cell doesn't power up.

4. Base Gotenks loses just as badly as he did against the original fatty.

5. Mystic Gohan. He would beat everyone but SSJ3 Gotenks instantly and then just avoid his attacks for 5 minutes until SSJ3 runs out and Gotenks defuses.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Galan007 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:05 pm

Angelus wrote:Mystic Gohan VS SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SPC, Mr. Buu/Good Buu
Mystic Gohan, easily. His closest rival(by a huge margin) is SSJ3 Gotenks, but even his power is still far inferior to Gohan's.

Mystic Gohan>>>Super Buu~/>SSJ3 Gotenks>>>SSJ3 Goku>>Mr. Buu>>SSJ2 Majin Vegeta>SPC.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:26 pm

So basically... Buu arc Piccolo was just a Cell Jr in terms of power?

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