*fish jumps*DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Piccolo can still play a big role in this arc. You just haven't seen the end of it.Zombie wrote:Dude.... They made Piccolo forfeit just so Vegeta can have his fucking revenge with the Freeza clone that was already disqualified.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:The problem is you guys are jumping to the conclusion when the show is not even finished.
It's bullshit. Piccolo's done.
It's not over until the fish jumps.
So that's not on Super. Those are characters who haven't done anything in a loooong time. Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Roshi had more focus than in latter Z, Yamcha and 18 were entirely useless by the Buu arc already.precita wrote:Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Roshi's last moments of glory were probably against Freeza's men. Piccolo loses early and not even getting a full fight. Yamcha and 18 don't do anything.
Wait...if Piccolo was a "jobber" here, by that logic Gohan and Gotenks were the same in that arc. All they did was lose until Goku and Vegeta replaced them. Piccolo? Babysitter. And then they blew up with Earth. The rest was even more irrelevant.And people thought the Buu saga focused on too few characters, when in reality it still gave most characters something to do.
Hardly. Toriyama's jumped through hoops to keep Piccolo looking cool while also allowing Vegeta to fight Frost. Toriyama could have easily had Frost defeat Piccolo fairly but instead he threw him a bone while also achieving the effect he wanted with Frost.Zombie wrote:Dude.... They made Piccolo forfeit just so Vegeta can have his fucking revenge with the Freeza clone that was already disqualified.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:The problem is you guys are jumping to the conclusion when the show is not even finished.
It's bullshit. Piccolo's done.
She/Her So your logic is...they shouldn't be mad at the episode because the arc isn't over? That people who earnestly root for Piccolo should chill cause "Maybe he'll get to do a thing."DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Piccolo can still play a big role in this arc. You just haven't seen the end of it.Zombie wrote:Dude.... They made Piccolo forfeit just so Vegeta can have his fucking revenge with the Freeza clone that was already disqualified.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:The problem is you guys are jumping to the conclusion when the show is not even finished.
It's bullshit. Piccolo's done.
It's not over until the fish jumps.
He could barely fight with Frost, and would have barely won had Frost not cheated. What would you expect Piccolo would do against Magetta?Zombie wrote:Because Vegeta vs Frost is completely unnecessary. Piccolo should've continued to fight.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Barely? He practically controlled the match, bullshit poison aside.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He could barely fight with Frost, and would have barely won had Frost not cheated. What would you expect Piccolo would do against Magetta?Zombie wrote:Because Vegeta vs Frost is completely unnecessary. Piccolo should've continued to fight.
Which is making me salty with how everyone thinks he's just gonna get roflstomped no matter who the bot fights...Also I'm getting salty cause I WANNA SEE MAGETTA FIGHT! Stop teasing me super! GIVE ME THE ROBOT! Sorry...sorry. My mecha fan showed there for a sec.Zombie wrote:
And we don't know how strong is Magetta.
Beats me. Then how Frost vow to cheat during a tournament?Zombie wrote:Barely? He practically controlled the match, bullshit poison aside.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He could barely fight with Frost, and would have barely won had Frost not cheated. What would you expect Piccolo would do against Magetta?Zombie wrote:Because Vegeta vs Frost is completely unnecessary. Piccolo should've continued to fight.
And we don't know how strong is Magetta.
He didn't stand a chance in a 1-on-1 fight, which is why instead of fighting normally, he immediately started charging the Makankosappo and kept running away.Zombie wrote:Barely? He practically controlled the match, bullshit poison aside.
Do you expect him to be weaker than Frost?And we don't know how strong is Magetta.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He didn't stand a chance in a 1-on-1 fight, which is why instead of fighting normally, he immediately started charging the Makankosappo and kept running away.Zombie wrote:Barely? He practically controlled the match, bullshit poison aside.
Do you expect him to be weaker than Frost?And we don't know how strong is Magetta.
How so? Super Saiyan Goku was equal to Super Saiyan God after all.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Now that it's been confirmed that Goku can swap between blond and blue, I don't buy that Botamo and Frost are anywhere near the god tier we were introduced to in Battle of Gods. So, I wonder if Magetta will be the first opponent that's on that sort of level.
But Piccolo was still the weakest of the two, otherwise he would have fought normally.Zombie wrote:I'm not so sure the gap between their strengths was that big. Piccolo allowed Frost to hit him in the leg and the other hits Frost connected did not do that much damage. There's also the fact that Frost couldn't get free of Piccolo's arm hold. Not to mention that Piccolo blocked many hits with one hand. They definitively weren't worlds apart.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Yeah sure that's a given but Frost couldn't one shot him, that says a lot.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But Piccolo was still the weakest of the two, otherwise he would have fought normally.Zombie wrote:I'm not so sure the gap between their strengths was that big. Piccolo allowed Frost to hit him in the leg and the other hits Frost connected did not do that much damage. There's also the fact that Frost couldn't get free of Piccolo's arm hold. Not to mention that Piccolo blocked many hits with one hand. They definitively weren't worlds apart.
Super Saiyan was basically equal to Super Saiyan God during the end of the Beerus fight. We have no idea what actually happened after that because Super isn't bothering to actually explain anything. So, until otherwise stated, I'm choosing to accept that by training to unlock SSGSS, Goku and Vegeta have gained full control of their god ki and can decide whether to be "normal" or tap into it and go Saiyan Beyond God or Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan instead of Base and Super Sayan. If they don't use it, then they aren't THAT much stronger than they were in the Buu Arc, and are still at a level were Piccolo can kind of keep up with their Super Saiyan forms after training with Gohan.Zombie wrote:How so? Super Saiyan Goku was equal to Super Saiyan God after all.
The thing is Goku while fighting Freeza in base still didn't have god ki. So by your logic he should be a bit stronger than his BoG non god self and that's impossible.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Super Saiyan was basically equal to Super Saiyan God during the end of the Beerus fight. We have no idea what actually happened after that because Super isn't bothering to actually explain anything. So, until otherwise stated, I'm choosing to accept that by training to unlock SSGSS, Goku and Vegeta have gained full control of their god ki and can decide whether to be "normal" or tap into it and go Saiyan Beyond God or Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan instead of Base and Super Sayan. If they don't use it, then they aren't THAT much stronger than they were in the Buu Arc, and are still at a level were Piccolo can kind of keep up with their Super Saiyan forms after training with Gohan.Zombie wrote:How so? Super Saiyan Goku was equal to Super Saiyan God after all.
Everything flows so much nicer that way.
