What is the worst ever thing that happened to Dragonball?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

And i'm sure Z had a WAY bigger budget since it was an actual manga,

So just because it was based on a Manga, it automatically had a bigger budget? They were both animated under similar circumstances, so it's reasonable to assume that they both had similar budgets.

w/ GT they were just making stuff up as they went along. [Yes i'm aware thats not how it ACTUALLY went]

And Akira Toriyama wasn't?

[LeprikanGT]

Z was like 4.5 times loger than GT, of course it got a bigger budget.

At what point do you think the Z animation was crappier than GT?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Z was like 4.5 times loger than GT, of course it got a bigger budget.

I meant each episode-by-episode.


Episodes in Z and episodes in GT, are of roughly the same length and were animated within the same time constraints.

At what point do you think the Z animation was crappier than GT?

In a nutshell, after the Saiyan arc.

[LeprikanGT]

Wheres the logic in that? so you're saying pretty much the entire series was crap? I think not. GO watch the beam struggle between Cell and SS2 Gohan. Gt only wishes it couldn have looked that good.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

Episode 121 of Z. The part where Trunks slices Mecha Freeza into bits is really awful.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Wheres the logic in that? so you're saying pretty much the entire series was crap? I think not. GO watch the beam struggle between Cell and SS2 Gohan. Gt only wishes it couldn have looked that good.

I didn't say that Z's animation was bad after Saiyan arc. I just said that GT's was better after the Saiyan arc.


Though, the Cell arc did look horendous at times.

[Perfect]

Akira Toriyama was clever with his manga, even when he was forced to continue it. GT, there was nothing clever about it. It was animated and drawn in the same mannerism as DB and DBZ. You'd have a few good episodes and then a fucking terrible episode. It'd be on and off.

And the episode where Trunks kills Freeza is awful, but the one before is beautiful, see how that works? It's on and off.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

the episode where Trunks kills Freeza is awful, but the one before is beautiful, see how that works? It's on and off.

It was episode 120 and 121.

[Metalwario64]

GT's animation was pretty decent most of the time, but just because it was newer doesn't mean it's better. I'm not a fan of how shiny and plastic everyone looks, and the actual animation seems slow and sluggish often. The scene where Goku, Pan and Trunks are walking towards Dr. Myu after Baby "dies" is just so awkward as they slowly walk towards him, talking about how "he's dead" and how "his plans are foiled" and whatnot. The fights lack much intensity as well, and just seem to move so slowly. I'm guessing that is partly due to bad storyboarding or something, but while GT looks pretty well drawn at times (despite worse than ever Last House animation), I think it's overall visually unimpressive.

In a nutshell, most of the time the actual drawings and animation was pretty good (despite a personal dislike for the shiny look), though hampered from, what I assume is poor storyboarding or something else, which makes for some awkward, slow moving scenes, and weaker looking fights. It may have possibly not been the fault of the animators, but GT never looked too good in motion to me most of the time.

Also, Studio Cockpit never worked on GT, so Z wins by default in the animation category. Honestly though, I don't think GT ever looked nearly as good as any episodes done by Studio Cockpit.

GO watch the beam struggle between Cell and SS2 Gohan.

Yeah, that was done by Studio Cockpit. Their animation was among my favorite in the whole series. They unfortunately never worked on GT, and weren't around for the original Dragon Ball however...

Episode 121 of Z. The part where Trunks slices Mecha Freeza into bits is really awful.

Yeah, Studio Live's (triangle, not the other animator) art during the Freeza-arc looked horrendous, and stayed that way until around the Cell Games-arc.

[Perfect]

the episode where Trunks kills Freeza is awful, but the one before is beautiful, see how that works? It's on and off.

It was episode 120 and 121.

And 122 was also fantastic, perfect example of what I'm saying.

[LeprikanGT]

I've noticed that at the end of episodes they look great and it's like someone hits a reset button and it restarts at the less than great animation. [Both Z and GT] Its just I can not get over how terrible base Kid Goku looked during the Blackstar Dargonbal Saga and how they messed up Vegeta after Super 17.

[Savage68]

Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT all had various cycles of animation teams. There was never a permanent rise or dip in the quality of any given character's art. And by "at the end of the episodes...", did you mean the ending animation(s)? Because those are typically animated with higher budgets than each standard episode.

[Minigt]

But just to be fair, theres SS vegeta from the show:

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/57 ... _super.jpg

that looks exactly like Vegeta.

I'm lucky enough to own the original cel and genga (blantant boast right here)
http://genkidama.rubberslug.com/gallery ... mID=213695

Some of the animation in Z is total crapola.

[Toriyama-sama]

Dragonball Evolution is hands down THE worst thing in the franchise universe. It's hard to understand how someone can say GT, because, despite its problems, at least GT had quite a few redeeming factors, while DBE was just complete and utter trash.

[LeprikanGT]

Oh yeah....GT KILLS OFF Piccolo. No thank you to that; you just pull off a move that like.

[Goten Forever]

GT was the worst thing that happened. Or make that Toei.DBE was the worst product, but it was irrelevant and easy to throw aside.

[Zephyr]

GT was the worst thing that happened. Or make that Toei.DBE was the worst product, but it was irrelevant and easy to throw aside.

This doesn't apply to GT how?

[rereboy]

GT was the worst thing that happened. Or make that Toei.DBE was the worst product, but it was irrelevant and easy to throw aside.

This doesn't apply to GT how?

Because many casual fans of Dragon Ball aren`t even aware that the anime is based on a manga that ended at the end of Z. To them GT is really a continuation and many think it sucks.
And even people who are aware of this consider GT to be a true continuation, even if they don`t like it very much, so GT has influenced and perhaps damaged Dragon ball much more than that stupid movie.

[Corporate_Nothing]

GT's animation was pretty decent most of the time, but just because it was newer doesn't mean it's better. I'm not a fan of how shiny and plastic everyone looks, and the actual animation seems slow and sluggish often. The scene where Goku, Pan and Trunks are walking towards Dr. Myu after Baby "dies" is just so awkward as they slowly walk towards him, talking about how "he's dead" and how "his plans are foiled" and whatnot. The fights lack much intensity as well, and just seem to move so slowly. I'm guessing that is partly due to bad storyboarding or something, but while GT looks pretty well drawn at times (despite worse than ever Last House animation), I think it's overall visually unimpressive.

In a nutshell, most of the time the actual drawings and animation was pretty good (despite a personal dislike for the shiny look), though hampered from, what I assume is poor storyboarding or something else, which makes for some awkward, slow moving scenes, and weaker looking fights. It may have possibly not been the fault of the animators, but GT never looked too good in motion to me most of the time.

Also, Studio Cockpit never worked on GT, so Z wins by default in the animation category. Honestly though, I don't think GT ever looked nearly as good as any episodes done by Studio Cockpit.

GO watch the beam struggle between Cell and SS2 Gohan.

Yeah, that was done by Studio Cockpit. Their animation was among my favorite in the whole series. They unfortunately never worked on GT, and weren't around for the original Dragon Ball however...

Episode 121 of Z. The part where Trunks slices Mecha Freeza into bits is really awful.

Yeah, Studio Live's (triangle, not the other animator) art during the Freeza-arc looked horrendous, and stayed that way until around the Cell Games-arc.

Umm...is there a thread on this board that compares the animation quality of Studio Cockpit, Studio Live, etc.?

[LeprikanGT]

I'm going with Gt over DBE since many fans think of the movie as something seperate from the show and since GT was in the same series, the plot holes and all the negative things about GT would hurt on the series more than the plot holes of the movie.