How powerful did Yamcha, Ten, Chaozu, and Krillin get?

[Edward Newgate]

Back in Android arc, Gero confused Yamcha with Goku. Gero stopped keeping track of Goku at the end of his fight with Vegeta, where Goku's max BP was 32,000. Gero also believed that Goku wouldn't get any stronger because of his age. So we can assume that Yamcha is a little bit stronger than that, right?

Which means that Tenshinhan is even stronger, with Piccolo being even stronger than him. So Piccolo can't be just 10,000, Saiga.

What? That's after the 3 years training for the Androids. I'm talking about Piccolo after his 6 days on Kaio's planet. Too very separate things.

Oh, right.

But still, he jumped from 177 to 1430 in a year. That is a jump of x8.

As for Piccolo, his jump in PL was x10 (from 329 to 3500). It's not a stretch to believe that they atleast kept the same growth rate after Kaiou's training, considering they asked to recieve even harder training than Goku did. If Piccolo indeed got stronger by atleast 10x, his BP would be 35,000

[Saiga]

Oh, right.

But still, he jumped from 177 to 1430 in a year. That is a jump of x8.

As for Piccolo, his jump in PL was x10 (from 329 to 3500). It's not a stretch to believe that they atleast kept the same growth rate after Kaiou's training, considering they asked to recieve even harder training than Goku did. If Piccolo indeed got stronger by atleast 10x, his BP would be 35,000

It's just that he was only there for 6 days before he left. For him to go from 3,500 to 10,000 in six days is still quite impressive.

[CaptainKatsura]

^^Actually he jumped from 416 to 3500. 329 is simply his battle worn state, after firing two Makaka-screw it-Special Beam Cannons and regrowing his lost limb.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's just that he was only there for 6 days before he left. For him to go from 3,500 to 10,000 in six days is still quite impressive.

Considering I don't remember him making Kaio laugh and thus not properly training under him (it's been a long while since I read that part in the manga), he'd be lucky if I generously put him at 4,000...though I usually say screw it and go for 8,000 because it compliments Nail's 42,000

[Edward Newgate]

Hmm, you know what? I agree with you.

Piccolo leaves after 6 days, Yamcha leaves 130 days later, then Tien (with Chiaotzu) leaves after 129 additional days.

So Piccolo would gets the least improvement among the group, Tien is the second strongest with Yamcha being the 3rd strongest.

[Saiga]

It's just that he was only there for 6 days before he left. For him to go from 3,500 to 10,000 in six days is still quite impressive.

Considering I don't remember him making Kaio laugh and thus not properly training under him (it's been a long while since I read that part in the manga), he'd be lucky if I generously put him at 4,000...though I usually say screw it and go for 8,000 because it compliments Nail's 42,000

I would have done the same, but he himself claims to have powered up considerably.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I would have done the same, but he himself claims to have powered up considerably.

Fluff. Nappa's official BP is 4,000 and he had a pretty decent edge over him when he wasn't busy getting blindsided. "Powered-up considerably" is now synonymous with Nappa. So when any character powers-up considerably, they gain one Nappa...like a Raditz, end of story.

[Kaboom]

Guess we now know how much stronger Gohan got between Movies 8 and 10.

[Dabooyaka]

By the end of Z I have them rivaling the suppressed Freeza that killed Vegeta. No more than 5 million, and I feel that's being more than generous.

[Fox666]

I would have done the same, but he himself claims to have powered up considerably.

Fluff. Nappa's official BP is 4,000 and he had a pretty decent edge over him when he wasn't busy getting blindsided. "Powered-up considerably" is now synonymous with Nappa. So when any character powers-up considerably, they gain one Nappa...like a Raditz, end of story.

Since Piccolo was confident he could fight with someone stronger than Vegeta, we can assume he has more than 4,000 (since he didn't see the extend of Vegeta strength on Earth)?

[Saiga]

I would have done the same, but he himself claims to have powered up considerably.

Fluff. Nappa's official BP is 4,000 and he had a pretty decent edge over him when he wasn't busy getting blindsided. "Powered-up considerably" is now synonymous with Nappa. So when any character powers-up considerably, they gain one Nappa...like a Raditz, end of story.

Since Piccolo was confident he could fight with someone stronger than Vegeta, we can assume he has more than 4,000 (since he didn't see the extend of Vegeta strength on Earth)?

Or we could just chalk it up to typical overconfidence.

[Rocketman]

Piccolo had to assume that Vegeta was stronger than Nappa because the latter obeyed his orders.

The only thing we can say for certain is the bare minimum and the absolute maximum: that Piccolo post-KingKai is stronger than the Nappa he fought (4000) and the average fighter-type Namek (3000), while being nowhere near Freeza at 530,000.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Since Piccolo was confident he could fight with someone stronger than Vegeta, we can assume he has more than 4,000 (since he didn't see the extend of Vegeta strength on Earth)?

That was mostly a joke because this is a topic I don't really care about. Since he doesn't do anything before fusing with Nail, his BP is irrelevant.

He says he's powered-up considerably (Stage 1 Nappa) and he feels confident that he can take on someone stronger than Vegeta, though Piccolo isn't the best judge of such things. He has displayed confidence in being able to defeat his opponents in the past (Goku, Raditz), only to find out that he's really outclassed. So just because he thinks he can take down 18,000+ opponents, doesn't mean he can, or that he's even close to doing so...to me anyway. Especially since ki sensors aren't working with real numbers, but a feeling of spiritual magnitude. I imagine it's harder to gauge yourself against "about this big of a pressure" than "18,000", when the ki is no longer around as a direct comparison. If you want to put a range on his strength though, I'd probably say 4,000 - 12,000, but the latter is being extremely generous. Anything more than that would be a complete and utter asspull given the fact that he was only there for less than a week and Kaio never even officially trained him.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

Since I don't feel like reading through 6 pages of what's probably been a lot of back-and-forth debating of the same points, I'm just going to toss out my thougths on the topic itself and ignore the current discussion thread.

As I see it, by the Buu era:
Tenshinhan - Over 150,000 but less than 300,000.
Krillin - Over 100,000 but less than 200,000.
Yamcha - Around 120,000.
Chaotuz - Around 50,000.

I also don't want to read through six pages, but Krillin's Grand Elder power up helped him surpass all the other humans considerably in the Freeza Arc. Yamcha I don't believe could catch up to him in three short years, considering he only trained on Kaiosama's planet and for the Artificial human arc, and never fought again after Cell. Also Krillin against Freeza was stated to be around 140,000 if I'm not correct. (please someone correct me if I am lying.) Not only that but he did three additional years of training for the Jinzenogen, so I wouldn't be surprised in Krillin could've been in the 300,000 to 400,000 range by the Cell Arc.

So with all that said, I don't want to put Yamcha any higher then 30,000. I truly think that people become so absorbed with the concept of Saiyan Zenkai increases that they inadvertently apply them to humans as well. I really don't think the humans are really that strong by the end of the series, and the only reason why they survived the Cell Jr onslaught was because their only intent was to piss Gohan off. They weren't interested in killing any of them, and none of the humans were able put up any kind of a fight inspite of the Cell Jr.s just screwing around.
Tenshinhan on the other hand was able to hold off second form cell with his shin kikoho, so I agree with the 150,000 range, if not higher.

Lol where was it stated Krillin grand elder power up surpassed all other humans during the Freeza saga ? Fan speculation doesn't count.

It's not fan speculation, and even if it was, its common sense that an instantaneous increase of multiple times would put someone's level higher then someone of the same level who would increase through training. Training takes time. Not only that, but the dead Senshi most likely wouldn't do any real training until they got to Kaiosama's planet, which was less time then Goku, but the fact is that it still took time.

And by "The End of the Freeza Saga," I'm simply talking about the point in time when Krillin died. There's no way humans can increase multitudes in power in only a week, which is probably how long they were on Kaiosama's planet at that point in time.

People who often debate high human power levels don't seem to realize that anything near Super Saiyan power (even a weak Super Saiyan) is extremely rare and practically unheard of. This is true at the beginning of the series as well as the end.

[shonenhikada]

It's not fan speculation, and even if it was, its common sense that an instantaneous increase of multiple times would put someone's level higher then someone of the same level who would increase through training. Training takes time. Not only that, but the dead Senshi most likely wouldn't do any real training until they got to Kaiosama's planet, which was less time then Goku, but the fact is that it still took time.

And by "The End of the Freeza Saga," I'm simply talking about the point in time when Krillin died. There's no way humans can increase multitudes in power in only a week, which is probably how long they were on Kaiosama's planet at that point in time.

People who often debate high human power levels don't seem to realize that anything near Super Saiyan power (even a weak Super Saiyan) is extremely rare and practically unheard of. This is true at the beginning of the series as well as the end.

This argument doesn't work because COMMON SENSE<<< PLOT INDUCED POWER UPS.

[Kaboom]

shonenhikada, two things you need to work on.

1) Your spelling and grammar.
2) Be a little more courteous when discussing things with your peers. Starting your sentences off with things like "lol" and "your entire argument fails" are generally not good ways to go about this.

[shonenhikada]

shonenhikada, two things you need to work on.

1) Your spelling and grammar.
2) Be a little more courteous when discussing things with your peers. Starting your sentences off with things like "lol" and "your entire argument fails" are generally not good ways to go about this.

I don't put much in my grammar when I'm posting online forum. Once i know my point comes across, and is understood that is all i am after. Sorry not trying to be mocking to the member just stating why the argument fails.

[Saiga]

This argument doesn't work because COMMON SENSE<<< PLOT INDUCED POWER UPS.

But there's nothing in the plot that shows they got such a power up. Therefore, it comes down to common sense and fandom assumed power ups.

I'd rather put my money on common sense in this situation.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

^Seconded

Once i know my point comes across, and is understood that is all i am after. Sorry not trying to be mocking to the member just stating why the argument fails.

Wha?
You haven't made a point other then to make jokes about mine.

It's not fan speculation, and even if it was, its common sense that an instantaneous increase of multiple times would put someone's level higher then someone of the same level who would increase through training. Training takes time. Not only that, but the dead Senshi most likely wouldn't do any real training until they got to Kaiosama's planet, which was less time then Goku, but the fact is that it still took time.

And by "The End of the Freeza Saga," I'm simply talking about the point in time when Krillin died. There's no way humans can increase multitudes in power in only a week, which is probably how long they were on Kaiosama's planet at that point in time.

People who often debate high human power levels don't seem to realize that anything near Super Saiyan power (even a weak Super Saiyan) is extremely rare and practically unheard of. This is true at the beginning of the series as well as the end.

Your entire argument fails for the following reason. COMMON SENSE<<< PLOT INDUCED POWER UPS.

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And your entire argument fails because your posts don't contribute anything to the discussion.
Try debating my points, maybe you might get somewhere.

[Kaboom]

I don't put much in my grammar when I'm posting online forum. Once i know my point comes across, and is understood that is all i am after. Sorry not trying to be mocking to the member just stating why the argument fails.

Personal methods aside, it's still in the rules that you agreed to upon signing up. We stress good spelling and grammar for those capable of it in order to make sure communication between native and non-native English speakers is as clear and understandable as possible. So again, since you seem to be fully capable of doing so, please put a little more effort into it in the future.