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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by Cold Skin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:14 pm

UPDATE: SHENRON

Only one for this update since I actually want to test the water about him with you guys before proceeding.
See, Shenron is particular in the sense that Toriyama draws him consistantly without any iris or pupil when in a regular, serious context. But as far as artwork goes, he tends to make him look much more friendly, and that includes an iris and a pupil in 95% of his occurences throughout Toriyama's artworks.

Since it may look weird to some of you, I wanted to let you see what it's like before proceeding to other Shenron alternative renders. Shenron is complicated to recolor, so I'd rather know if you're okay with the addition of an iris and pupil in each of his eyes like the original artworks, or if you think the render - which initially shows serious Shenron - should be adapted to serious Shenron and lack this feature to keep a fully-unicolored eye (then it brings the question of whether the eye should be colored according to the eye itself or the iris - for example the original artworks can sport a yellow eye, with a red iris and a black pupil, so which do I choose then?). I might as well warn you, with my limited skills, I can't render his new eyes any better than this.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm okay with the addition of the original artworks' features even if it may seem unusual, but I'm not the only one to decide how it should be!

I might also need some help with the description for once: my vocab may not be at its best to describe Shenron's body parts and I might even be wrong about the plural form of "iris"!
Actually, even in other entries, you can tell me about any clumsy English that would need to be corrected if you happen to see some!
Being French, there are limits to my ability to speak English correctly!

SHENRON:

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1) Anime / Manga version.
2) Artwork version N°1. The most striking difference - similarly to many Toriyama artworks about Shenron - is that he actually has irises and pupils (blue-grey irises and black pupils in this case). Shenron appears with a darkened, almost turquoise blue, which includes his jaw. Whiskers share his skin color, and so do the combs over his body.

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DNA » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:39 pm

My first reaction was laughter, he looks hilarious. But at the same time, my vote goes to keeping the irises. There are many versions of him, right?

About your grammar, use Google's automatic corrector, when I started out I used it many times and nowadays I barely need it, I just learned most of the correct spellings by using it.

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by hleV » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:48 pm

It's Shenlong :/

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DNA » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:55 pm

hleV wrote:It's Shenlong :/
It's actually Shen Long, but spellings are completely irrelevant to the point of the project.

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by Cold Skin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:11 pm

GENERAL UPDATE:
- Versions based on one or two specific "Daizenshuu 1" artworks will now be named after their Daizenshuu illustration number ("Daizenshuu _ version" instead of "Manga version N°_").
- New entries will now also be displayed on the Update Notification post.
- Minor arrangements of pictures and descriptions so that Daizenshuu versions appear in order from 1 to 265.


UPDATE: KAIO / KARIN / NYOÏ BO / SHENRON / SON GOKU
DNA wrote:
hleV wrote:It's Shenlong :/
It's actually Shen Long, but spellings are completely irrelevant to the point of the project.
You're right, many people have many ways to call the characters depending on countries and medias, but just for you guys to know why:
being French, I use the French Tankobon/Kanzenban as my reference.
And it was chosen in the official final retranslation (both for Tankobon and final Kanzenban updates), that "Shenron" would prevail over "Shenlong" or "Shen Long" for the French market.

The translation notes state:
"Each Dragon Ball has a Chinese name meaning 'star ball', preceded by the number of stars contained. The Chinese transcription being hard to pronunce, we chose to use the Japanese version. Example: Su Shinchu instead of Si Xing Qiu. To remain coherent with most other characters and elements, the Japanese transcription is used for the sacred dragon as well: Shenron instead of Shenlong."

So for the French market, it's Shenron and Su Shinchu, keeping with the Japanese pronunciations instead of the Chinese meanings. It's as simple as that! 8)
Kinda similar to how we constantly choose to have "Freezer" likely to pronunce it in a proper English way, most French people seeing "Freeza" would pronunce it "Fray-ay-za", not seeing it's English-based because of the exotic "za" ending the word.

KAIO:

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1) Anime version.
2) Kanzenban version N°1. Totally new colors for Kaio's outfit compared to the anime. He reappears in a later Kanzenban cover with yet another set of colors (a little closer to the anime version, with pink or red sleeves), but playing a minor role in the illustration instead of being the main (very detailled) center of interest, so I guess this first version you see is more relevant.
3) Daizenshuu 196 version. You've already seen a pink Kaio. But maybe you've never seen OUR North Kaio being pink. In a party artwork by Toriyama, Kaio appears in his usual outfit, albeit with a purple hint on his hat. But his skin has changed! What if Kaio could actually change the color of his skin when it's party time? Might be his way to suit up for the occasion! That, and white glasses too.

KARIN:

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1) Anime version.
2) Manga version N°1. Karin has been shown to have several colors for his fur. But Toriyama seems to prefer blue. I took this specific "light blue with white spots" from the color pages (chapter 163). His staff is lighter than in the anime version.
3) Manga version N°2 / Dragon Ball Online version. A version of Karin shown on the side cover when putting the Tankobon together. Karin is all dark blue, except for the nose which is black. His staff is lighter than the anime version.
4) Daizenshuu 67 version. An artwork by Toriyama used for a calendar. He has a "golden cat" fur (somewhere between orange and yellow) and a blue staff.
5) Daizenshuu 196 version. An artwork by Toriyama. A fully brown Karin, except for his little pink nose.


NYOÏ BO:

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1) Anime version.
2) Kanzenban version N°1 / Dragon Ball Online. The first cover of the Kanzenban edition clearly shows this brown color, for a scabbard clearly made of wood! It is also used in Dragon Ball Online, but with Goku's original blue outfit (as opposed to the first Kanzenban cover).
3) Daizenshuu 2 version. The scabbard is blue for this Toriyama artwork.
4) Daizenshuu 5 version. Orange scabbard this time, still in a Toriyama artwork.

SHENRON:

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1) Anime / Manga version.
2) Daizenshuu 1 version. The most striking difference - similarly many Toriyama artworks about Shenron - is that he actually has irises and pupils (blue-grey irises and black pupils in this case). Shenron appears with a darkened, almost turquoise blue, which includes his jaw. Whiskers share his skin color, and so do the combs over his body.
3) Daizesnhuu 2 version. A greyish pink color, with a skin that's a little darker than usual. The combs are just slightly darker than the skin. His eyes are yellow, with red irises and black pupils.
4) Daizenshuu 3 version. A fiery dragon: vibrant orange color and bright yellow skin, along with brown combs. Note that his whiskers are yellow too. The red irises (with black pupils) are noticeably smaller in this one, which doesn't impact his friendly representation in the original artwork, but does make him look a lot more threatening in this render. If Shenron ever looks at you that way, I would advice you run for your life!

SON GOKU:

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1) Anime version.
2) Manga version. The Kame Sen Gi is orange instead of red in the manga. The Kame Sen symbol has a white background.
3) Daizenshuu 10 version. While still retaining his black belt, Goku's wrists are turned red in one Toriyama artwork.
4) Daizenshuu 21 version. One artwork shows Goku sporting a blue belt and purple wrists.
5) Daizenshuu 23 & 29 version. The belt and wrists are faded purple in at least two Toriyama artworks.
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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DNA » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:49 pm

Good stuff, great update. Really like all those Shen Longs. That greyish pink colour is called lilac.

As for the spellings, most markets kept those names. The American dub also uses Shenron. It's just that lately a few of us have started changing the way we always spelled characters names and started using more correct approximations of what they should be. Take as examples Blooma instead of Bulma, Kuririn instead of Krilin, and Si Xing Long instead of Su Shenron of Nuova Shenron. The most extreme still is Jiaozi instead of Chaozu.

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by Cold Skin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:06 pm

Thanks, "lilac" now included on the main post! 8)

I like the fact that names have many different variations, the only important thing being that you actually recognize who the person is talking about, and there's usually no problem with that. As long as we know who we're talking about, it actually brings more variety and a sense of personal "customization" to the franchise! 8)
But of course, some names are more subject to tickle than others, especially when not being a possible interpretation/variation on the original name, but a pure invention: some alternative name for Mr. Satan for example! :D

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DNA » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:14 pm

So... Are you going to update with a purple haired 18 any time soon? ^^'

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by Cold Skin » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:36 am

It's a possibility, it is a version officially revealed after all, even though we didn't get to see it.
The thing is that Toriyama probably drew her with her Battle of Gods outfit, and I don't have a render of that appearance for her.
I don't know if drawing her with purple hair but previous clothes wouldn't be stepping out of bound.
Then again, I can label it as one of the "would-be" versions because of that, the description will be here to clarify what's the story about her purple hair and her clothes! 8)

It's up to you guys, it depends on if you feel purple-haired C-18 has a place in this thread! :wink:

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Post by Insertclevername » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:13 pm

I welcome purple haired #18 with warm, holiday embrace. :P
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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:33 pm

The blue Shen Long in the manga has yellow eyes instead if red, BTW. I can't show image right now, but it's in a cover during the Uranai Baba arc, I think.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DNA » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:06 am

Okay, these might help you a bit with Raging Blast 2, if you need anything else from it:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... lothes.jpg
http://www.funimation.com/sites/default ... acters.jpg

They said there's also one for Piccolo but I can't seem to find it. I'm still not sure how many there are for that game.

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by Cold Skin » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:39 am

I have to take a break for a few days because I won't be around my computer until the first days of January (New Year's Eve somewhere else...).
But I'll work on some more pictures as soon as I get back!
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The blue Shen Long in the manga has yellow eyes instead if red, BTW. I can't show image right now, but it's in a cover during the Uranai Baba arc, I think.
No problem, I probably have it! 8)
There are many, many different versions for Shenron!
I'll try to include all versions of him as time goes by, including the one you're talking about! :wink:

I have the Daizenshuu, so I have access to all covers and artworks from the original run, I'll make sure to include as many versions as I can - my objective would actually be to showcase all of them! 8)
DNA wrote:Okay, these might help you a bit with Raging Blast 2, if you need anything else from it:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... lothes.jpg
http://www.funimation.com/sites/default ... acters.jpg

They said there's also one for Piccolo but I can't seem to find it. I'm still not sure how many there are for that game.
Thanks, those will help me indeed, I'm always glad to have additionnal sources for alternative versions! 8)
And there are a lot of video games with alternative colors that I don't have access to, so that's definately the kind of stuff that helps me!

2D sprites are easy to find on the web - pretty soon, I'll start checking for games other than the Super Butoden and Hyper Dimension series for 2D sprites - but 3D models like that are not always easy to access if you don't have the game, for most people won't be interested in posting pictures and videos of a character having his alternate outfit or fighting against himself!
So that's a big help for me when someone comes up with those! :wink:

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DNA » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:10 pm

If you don't have Budokai 3, I've took a bunch of crappy pictures of the alternate colours. They were taken from a CRT TV so they're not the best quality, but good enough to see. I've got all the ones you're missing.

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by Ketchup_Revenge » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:37 pm

I remember seeing the Super Saiyans with red hair at some points in the manga series. Particularly Future Trunks when he was fighting Cell in Third Grade. His Spandex was black if I remember correctly.

Might've been the only time that Super Saiyan appeared with red hair now that I think about it...
I wipe it off the tile, the light is brighter this time, everything is 3D blasphemy.
My eyes are red and gold, the hair is standing straight up, this is not the way I picture me.
I can't control my shakes, how the hell did I get here? Something about this, so very wrong.
I have to laugh out loud, I wish I didn't like this. Is it a dream or a memory?

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DNA » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:43 pm

Ketchup_Revenge wrote:I remember seeing the Super Saiyans with red hair at some points in the manga series. Particularly Future Trunks when he was fighting Cell in Third Grade.

Might've been the only time that Super Saiyan appeared with red hair now that I think about it...
Didn't Goku had red eyes and white hair as a Super Saiyan at some point when it first appeared? And you might want to include the "false" Super Saiyan since it was originally meant to be the Super Saiyan anyway.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:59 pm

Both red eyes & hair Super Saiyan images were limited colored pages, so they don't really count.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by DNA » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:06 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Both red eyes & hair Super Saiyan images were limited colored pages, so they don't really count.
Yeah but still, from red to blue it's quite a stretch. Look at Trunks's eyes even in black and white.

Edit: Budokai 3 and Tenkaichi 3 are both done. They share most recolours. Not sure about Infinite World since my disc disappeared (still got the box with lame ass DMC 2 in it of all things).

Realized you haven't done the first anime colours of Vegeta and Nappa, with the funky armour and hair and all the jazz. Also, Bojack and his gang were supposed to have been coloured differently according to Toriyama. I took some pictures of Broli's Super Saiyan hair since the games take a bit of liberty with the weird colours. Was uploading them to Dropbox and ran out of battery, left my charger at my sisters.

Will upload all this shit into a Dropbox folder possibly on the first of January. I'll share it here for all to see so look forward to that if you're into it.

Edit: Here you go buddy: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/78ntq5dgb6117yo/P1FW87LbvK

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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by omegalucas » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:46 pm

There is still that image of SSJ Goku in full color done for Movie 5 that has red eyes.
Here, courtesy of our good old DaizEX:
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Re: Pictures color-corrected to fit various official version

Post by Cold Skin » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:29 pm

Thanks for all the good ideas and efforts, guys! 8)
I'll be working on those ASAP.

I had already thought of some of them, like a "limited palette version" label for the cases you mention, so I'm glad to see you guys are okay with that. :wink:
I was hesitant about it for a while, much like DBZGTKOSD, but when I discovered the color pages for Kanzenban 22, the red eyes for Super Saiyan Goku made me realize that Toriyama did think of an alternative color scheme to match the limited palette. Otherwise, Goku's hair could be yellowish (a little more brown than the usual yellow perhaps?) and his green eyes would translate to grey in the limited palette. It's a real, official "alternate colors" version after all, just like for Trunks. I think those specific cases of limited color palette are worth being shown and explained, they're particularly noticeable cases of the "limited colors" process.

Toriyama's original colors for the movies also came up in my mind, so there might be something good to do with those!
And I love the idea of the first colors for Vegeta, it's an alternative color scheme that is quite famous among fans!

DNA, your pictures might be very helpful, cause even when I have the game, it's easier to have a picture I can check rather than to have to insert the game, and go back and forth between it and the computer or take notes!

Thanks for the help, guys! 8)

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