Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by AgitoZ » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:22 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Besides, the manga is during very well, doesn't it?
It's still doing fine as far as I recall. The problem likely lies that sales of the comic, merchandise, etc are not increasing. The logic goes that when having a TV adaptation on air, all sales should increase, but they probably aren't (or at least not enough to warrant the costs of production).
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Besides, the manga is during very well, doesn't it?
It's still doing fine as far as I recall. The problem likely lies that sales of the comic, merchandise, etc are not increasing. The logic goes that when having a TV adaptation on air, all sales should increase, but they probably aren't (or at least not enough to warrant the costs of production).
Especially in Japan. The way I understand it is that, in the case of the "Dragon Ball" animes, they were created largely to help sell the toys/merchandise. Whereas over here (and other parts of the world), the show itself is the main product.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:13 pm

I'm looking forward on what Bandai Japan puts out. It's a shame that Bandai American never did a big toyline for Kai which would help the show be more relevant to more causal people. I still feel like not enough people outside the fandom in the US knows about Kai.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:40 pm

I thought of something else... maybe they will end the current Toriko anime and make a sequel? Like they did with Dragon Ball Z & Naruto Shippuden?

EDIT: I think this is gonna be the case. I read somewhere that the manga after the hiatus will start "Act 2" of the manga, and the anime is in the same arc that the manga just finished.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Mewzard » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:40 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I thought of something else... maybe they will end the current Toriko anime and make a sequel? Like they did with Dragon Ball Z & Naruto Shippuden?

EDIT: I think this is gonna be the case. I read somewhere that the manga after the hiatus will start "Act 2" of the manga, and the anime is in the same arc that the manga just finished.
That is true, Toriko just finished "Act 1", the Human World Arc. It's Gourmet World once the hiatus ends. I suppose it could go off for a bit to let the manga get ahead.

Man, I really hope Kai's Buu Saga will start airing soon. The wait is killing me...
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:15 am

I wonder if Minaguchi made it back to finish up work as Videl? I'd hate to think she was replaced, especially after Toriko #99 and One Piece #590.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:51 am

Any word on whos gonna be the supposed new composer for Buu Kai?
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Post by kei17 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:18 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Any word on whos gonna be the supposed new composer for Buu Kai?
He's not a newcomer to the franchise at least.

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Post by JamesOwnz » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:16 pm

Just a thought.. I really hope for the Japanese release they really get a better Kid Buu... I know he never talks but that is something that bothered me about the original.. his laugh just sounded so goofy.

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Post by ErikB » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:39 pm

JamesOwnz wrote:Just a thought.. I really hope for the Japanese release they really get a better Kid Buu... I know he never talks but that is something that bothered me about the original.. his laugh just sounded so goofy.
Heh, coincidentally I was watching the Kid Buu fight just a few days ago and thought pretty much the exact same thing. Most of his sounds and dialogue (he actually does have a very little bit) has a nice character-monster voice, but then his laughs...don't even sound like the same person; in addition to how, as you said, goofy they sound.

I'm happy that I have at least one friend who's as excited for Buu Kai as I am (maybe more). I thought I might be annoying him by sending him a message over Facebook every time something about it came up, but now he's bringing it up more than me.

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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:58 pm

Twelve episodes remain for Saint Seiya Omega. Episode #97 should broadcast on 30 March. While it is unlikely Dragon Ball Kai would ever air on TV Asahi I think it does mean one of Toei Animation's upcoming shows will not take over a potential slot on Fuji TV. Perhaps Majin Bone will take over?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Blade » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:44 am

TheBlackPaladin wrote:
AgitoZ wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Besides, the manga is during very well, doesn't it?
It's still doing fine as far as I recall. The problem likely lies that sales of the comic, merchandise, etc are not increasing. The logic goes that when having a TV adaptation on air, all sales should increase, but they probably aren't (or at least not enough to warrant the costs of production).
Especially in Japan. The way I understand it is that, in the case of the "Dragon Ball" animes, they were created largely to help sell the toys/merchandise. Whereas over here (and other parts of the world), the show itself is the main product.
Which is why the possibility of a Dragonball Heroes anime is more likely than a continuation of Z. At the moment product placement in Anime is more unashamed than ever: see Gundam Build Fighters and Marvel Disc Wars: The Avengers.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:49 pm

I think we will see a DB Heroes anime, but not for a while. A Heroes anime would allow new characters to be made and new cards to be created. DB Heroes is a big money maker for Bandai and Bandai is Toei's primary sponsor these day. If we are getting the Buu saga of Kai then I don't think a new show will happen for another couple more years. I will be up for a Heroes show depending on who writes, directs and produces it. Riku Sanjo would be a good choice since he's a good writer and has worked with Toei in the past.
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Post by Mewzard » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:14 pm

In the past? He's the head writer for Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger right now. And yes, he's a good writer. I'd certainly be glad to see him work on a new Dragon Ball project.

For now, the eternal wait for Kai. I wonder if Funi will start putting out episodes before or after Ocean's Kai Dub officially comes out...
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Post by Fizzer » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:27 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote: Especially in Japan. The way I understand it is that, in the case of the "Dragon Ball" animes, they were created largely to help sell the toys/merchandise. Whereas over here (and other parts of the world), the show itself is the main product.
So I guess that would be why animes like Beyblade, Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokémon exist too? Seems like pretty expensive advertising, but I guess it's pretty effective too.

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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:35 pm

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TheBlackPaladin wrote: Especially in Japan. The way I understand it is that, in the case of the "Dragon Ball" animes, they were created largely to help sell the toys/merchandise. Whereas over here (and other parts of the world), the show itself is the main product.
So I guess that would be why animes like Beyblade, Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokémon exist too? Seems like pretty expensive advertising, but I guess it's pretty effective too.
Commercial art is all about selling merchandise. The Yuugi-Ou! cartoons sell the comics and cards, Pocket Monster sells the games and other merchandise. The Dragon Ball cartoons sold the comic, et cetera. The twenty-six episode animated TV series costs about $3,900,000 USD in Japan. Read this three-part article by Justin Sevakis on why this actually works.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:28 pm

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TheBlackPaladin wrote: Especially in Japan. The way I understand it is that, in the case of the "Dragon Ball" animes, they were created largely to help sell the toys/merchandise. Whereas over here (and other parts of the world), the show itself is the main product.
So I guess that would be why animes like Beyblade, Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokémon exist too? Seems like pretty expensive advertising, but I guess it's pretty effective too.
Yeah, pretty much. Not all animes are like that, of course, but there definitely do exist animes that were created mostly as an extension of a merchandising effort. I don't remember where I read it, but I once read somewhere that, "The movie industry is worth millions, the merchandising industry is worth billions."

While we're on the subject, the line between a commercial and a TV show/movie is the cause of several infamous edits to English dubs. For example, a 4Kids exec once revealed in an ANN podcast that the reason the appearance of the cards in "Yu-Gi-Oh!" were altered in the edited English dub was because of a legal mandate. If the cards were to appear exactly as the retail playing cards appeared, then the show would have been legally classified as a commercial, which would have presented numerous complications with regard to TV air time and financial costs. So, 4Kids was forced to alter the cards in order to keep "Yu-Gi-Oh!" legally classified as a TV show.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by kei17 » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:22 am

Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers has been confirmed to air on TV Tokyo. It's becoming likelier that Kai is taking Toriko's time slot. I'm still not sure, though.

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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:38 am

kei17 wrote:Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers has been confirmed to air on TV Tokyo. It's becoming likelier that Kai is taking Toriko's time slot. I'm still not sure, though.
This is interesting. I think it sort of says more about FujiTV's attitude toward animation then anything else.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Blade » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:05 am

JulieYBM wrote:
kei17 wrote:Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers has been confirmed to air on TV Tokyo. It's becoming likelier that Kai is taking Toriko's time slot. I'm still not sure, though.
This is interesting. I think it sort of says more about FujiTV's attitude toward animation then anything else.
Honestly I think it says more about TV Tokyo's, given that the likely reason for them picking up the show is that they outbid FujiTV. Keep in mind that TV Tokyo, as of December last year, actually own a significant chunk of Crunchyroll.
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