The height conundrum

[Patrick]

Someone else posted this in another thread (which also pertained to height), it's a picture with all of Freeza's forms.

Well for starters, his 3rd form is absolutely gargantuan, even with the elongated head, he's still jacked beyond belief. It also disproves my previous thought of 2nd form Freeza being the same height as King Cold.

Incidentally, how tall is Coola in his "base" form? He looks taller than 4th form Freeza by quite a bit, although that may just be perspective.

[Attitudefan]

Cooler was taller than Goku in his base final form and was gargantuan when he went into his true form though still not as tall as Cold. Random Guy was really close in his assumption, based off this picture, that 3rd form Freeza is roughly the same height as his second.

I am actually surprised in how much smaller 2nd form Freeza actually is compared to Cold. I mean, Cold his HUGE! Which means his first appearance might be too big officially, but it still means he would dwarf most of the characters in the show. He must be one of the largest characters in the series sans monster/godzilla types.

[El Diabeetus]

Hm, I wonder how Freeza more or less is a midget but his Dad is huge. Freeza's 2nd form is even about 2 feet shorter or so than Cold.

[Attitudefan]

Hm, I wonder how Freeza more or less is a midget but his Dad is huge. Freeza's 2nd form is even about 2 feet shorter or so than Cold.

I think it is kind of ironic since Freeza's father was shown to be very cowardly compared to his son despite him being so huge. I mean, I think Cold is bigger than Burter.



I posted this before but in lower quality. I think this image represents how big everyone is fairly accurately up until everyone is reunited after the Namek arc when the art style has changed drastically. By then, everyone looks much taller or shorter. With a few variances such as Goku and Bulma being the same height or Bulma shorter, same goes with Ten and Yamcha where they share the same height or Ten is huge such as shown here, this chart is accurate (mostly to the anime, but to the manga as well to a lesser extent). For example, Goku, in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai comes up to Ten and Piccolo's shoulders (Piccolo actually appears smaller than Ten in that arc specifically and the same size as him in the Saiyan arc). So I say this is accurate! Krillin is also in proper proportions to Goku.


In the anime, during this scene, Bulma and Goku are in proper and accurate height with each other along with everyone else for the most part. However, in the manga, including the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku is the same height as Bulma, no joke.


This image is accurate to the manga which I will upload soon! Goku and Bulma, at one point, were the same height.

[RandomGuy96]

Well clearly I was wrong. 3rd form Freeza is both taller and bulkier than 2nd form Freeza (what is with the gargantuan shoulders?). Cold looks a little too small in that picture (2nd form Freeza shouldn't be at his upper chest like he is here), but this at least is further evidence that he dwarfs Freeza's 2nd form.

Cooler's another character I find hard to estimate because we never get a clear shot of him standing next to anyone. I just pegged his base form at slightly taller than Goku.

On the above image: clearly, Ten is way too tall early on. What is he, like 6'7? He should've been a basketball player. It's not too crazy though; the top of Goku's head goes up to his chin, and Yamcha's head comes up to his eyes. At least he doesn't look seven feet tall like in the M3 height chart.

Yajirobe, Roshi, and Oolong all are too short, but that's par for the course. Otherwise the image looks accurate. I especially like how Yamcha actually looks 6'0/183 cm, a solid "weak tall", rather than looking like a giant like he sometimes does, mostly in shots with Goku and Ten. Even Chiaotz and Krillin look 4'6 and 5'0 respectively (one is at Goku's stomach, the other is a head shorter), which is pretty rare. Piccolo looks significantly below the 7'5 he's listed as, but I assume he just grew later.

The Ox-King continues to have no size consistency. Here, he looks huge, but still theoretically within really, really tall range for a real life human, like Kevin Peter Hall or Andre Rousimoff. Goku reaches his chest, and Yamcha his shoulders. Maybe 7'2 here? He'd clearly be shorter than Super Buu, an eight footer, judging by his comparison here to less-than-peak Piccolo and 5'9 Goku, but later Buu arc height charts have him looking 9-10 feet tall.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well clearly I was wrong. 3rd form Freeza is both taller and bulkier than 2nd form Freeza (what is with the gargantuan shoulders?). Cold looks a little too small in that picture (2nd form Freeza shouldn't be at his upper chest like he is here), but this at least is further evidence that he dwarfs Freeza's 2nd form.

I highly doubt Freza's 3rd form is that size, because like I said in the topic that image first surfaced in in regards to height, while some of the forms work in a general comparison to each other, that image isn't properly scaled. Neither are all the characters on the other pages for the Earthlings, Namekians, etc.

[DieHard]

Cooler's another character I find hard to estimate because we never get a clear shot of him standing next to anyone.

Huh?He is around goku's height in his 4th form (we have many movies of him in this form), and much bigger in his 5th.

[RandomGuy96]

Well clearly I was wrong. 3rd form Freeza is both taller and bulkier than 2nd form Freeza (what is with the gargantuan shoulders?). Cold looks a little too small in that picture (2nd form Freeza shouldn't be at his upper chest like he is here), but this at least is further evidence that he dwarfs Freeza's 2nd form.

I highly doubt Freza's 3rd form is that size, because like I said in the topic that image first surfaced in in regards to height, while some of the forms work in a general comparison to each other, that image isn't properly scaled. Neither are all the characters on the other pages for the Earthlings, Namekians, etc.

What's wrong with the scale in the image?

Cooler's another character I find hard to estimate because we never get a clear shot of him standing next to anyone.

Huh?He is around goku's height in his 4th form (we have many movies of him in this form), and much bigger in his 5th.

Do you have any pictures of him just standing next to Goku?

[Gonstead]

Here's one for Cooler and Goku

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/ ... larger.jpg

Closer.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/ ... byside.jpg

[Attitudefan]

Do you have any pictures of him just standing next to Goku?

Spoiler:

Let's say Meta-Cooler and Cooler are the same height, generally, he looks to be Goku's height more or less. Watching movie 5, Cooler looks to have the edge on Goku, but Meta-Cooler seems to be the exact same height I'd say since Goku goes toe to toe with Cooler as equals.

Well clearly I was wrong. 3rd form Freeza is both taller and bulkier than 2nd form Freeza (what is with the gargantuan shoulders?). Cold looks a little too small in that picture (2nd form Freeza shouldn't be at his upper chest like he is here), but this at least is further evidence that he dwarfs Freeza's 2nd form.

Still, he is MUCH bigger than his sons and practically everyone else.

clearly, Ten is way too tall early on. What is he, like 6'7? He should've been a basketball player. It's not too crazy though; the top of Goku's head goes past his chin, and Yamcha's head comes up to his eyes. At least he doesn't look seven feet tall like in the M3 height chart.

Yes, way too tall for his official listing, but during that timeframe, he was huge! He looked bigger than Piccolo during the tournament. Training under 10x gravity gave him huge shoulders but he shrunk! Now, he is in the same proportions to Goku and the gang in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai so it isn't wrong either. Much like Vegeta, it seemed to have been retconned. He looks to have been that height when first introduced and had his height retconned later.

Piccolo, I think we established that he has continued to grow, is correct in the picture. Taller than Yamcha and much taller than Goku, but not tall enough where he is a whole foot ahead of Yamcha. I think it is right for that arc it was drawn for. Goku still comes up around his shoulders despite Piccolo still being far away from his peak. When he is first introduced he could pass for even being shorter than that.

The Ox-King continues to have no size consistency. Here, he looks huge, but still theoretically within really, really tall range for a real life human, like Kevin Peter Hall or Andre Rousimoff. Goku reaches his chest, and Yamcha his shoulders. Maybe 7'2 here? He'd clearly be shorter than Super Buu, an eight footer, judging by his comparison here to less-than-peak Piccolo and 5'9 Goku, but later Buu arc height charts have him looking 9-10 feet tall.

Ox-king was as big as a house, or as big as he is here, or smaller even. If we go with the average, I'm going to say this picture would be accurate. Ox-king could be Piccolo's peak height or much more (see him being the size of a house). So, it's safe to say his average would be 7'2", like Andre The Giant. I'm good with that. But when he is in his beast/demon mode, I will give him the edge of being 9 feet tall and as wide as a (small) house.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

What's wrong with the scale in the image?

Cold, Freeza 2 and Freeza 4 are in an okay scale with each other, but Cold could stand to be a little bigger, Freeza 1 is a bit bigger than he should be and Freeza 3 is way too big.

[RandomGuy96]

What's wrong with the scale in the image?

Cold, Freeza 2 and Freeza 4 are in an okay scale with each other, but Cold could stand to be a little bigger, Freeza 1 is a bit bigger than he should be and Freeza 3 is way too big.

1st form Freeza seems right. He's a bit shorter than 4th form Freeza, who is roughly as tall as pre-retcon Vegeta. That matches his height in their clash.

Why is 3rd form Freeza too big? I don't recall him having an official height or being featured in any covers (well technically he is, but it's useless for comparisons) or height charts.

[Attitudefan]

Would you guys say this is more correct?

[Gonstead]

Why would Frieza be smaller in his third form?

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think there's any reason to doubt 3rd form Freeza's size in the previous image, really.

[Attitudefan]

I don't think there's any reason to doubt 3rd form Freeza's size in the previous image, really.

I agree. I just brought it up for debate lol

[Attitudefan]

Sorry for the double post, but it is needed (kinda haha)


In this image of Cold, he isn't quite as large as he is potrayed in the anime (much like Tenshinhan), so I think the image posted of Freeza and Cold would be fairly accurate based on the manga when we first see them together.

What do you guys think?

Also, I feel this image of Toriyama is relevant:

[RandomGuy96]

He definitely doesn't look as wide.

I feel pretty dumb for just getting this, but on the movie 8 (Broly) height chart, I just noticed something: the height lines are supposed to represent increments of 25 centimeters, aren't they? Going by that, the chart portrays Trunks, Vegeta, Chi Chi, Bulma, and Goku at their correct heights (Goku's head just touches the 175 cm line), Piccolo as far too short (about 6'10, his head goes decently past the 200 cm line and the Goku is at his shoulders), King Vegeta at clearly less than 6'6 (validating the 6'4/6'5 estimate), base Broly as less than Piccolo's official height (clearly doesn't touch the 225 cm line without giant puffy hair while Piccolo is literally 1 cm less than that), and LSS Broly as almost exactly 275 cm/9 feet tall.

[RandomGuy96]

I also recently noticed Herms didn't post a bunch of character heights on the first page, from the Bouken special (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 9&p=263777):

Bacterian: 210 cm (6'10.5)

Giran: 197 cm (6'5.5)

Ranfan: 168 cm (5'6)

Namu: 182 cm (5'11.5)

Murasaki: 172 cm (5'7.5)

Blue: 181 cm (5'11)

Tao: 178 cm (5'10)

Dracula Man: 168 cm (5'6)

Mummy: 194 cm (6'4.5)

Akkuman: 200 cm (6'6.5)

[Grandpa] Gohan: 160 cm (5'3)

King Chappa: 185 cm (6'1)

Man Wolf: 175 cm (5'9)

Cymbal: 181 cm (5'11)

Tambourine: 188 cm (6'2)



Cymbal seemed bigger.

[Attitudefan]

Seems it could be right, but he looks HUGE compared to Yajirobi and Goku. But maybe his wideness is just giving an illusion that he looks bigger?

Also, it seems most characters average around 5'11"

Also, Manwolf, would that be when he was in wolf form or human form? I think he was bigger as a wolf.

EDIT:



Actually, according to the anime, Manwolf looks much smaller!!