The Newest Batch of Toriyama Tidbits...

[UpFromTheSkies]

Toriyama did a great work making the DB franchise. Let's just pretend that all this isn't happening before he screws everything up.

He's not screwing anything up. Nothing Toriyama has said contradicts the story, it contradicts what people assumed about the story and characters.

[sintzu]

He can use the form's power in base, so transforming doesn't make him stronger anymore.

How could adding 100× or 400× more power to that not make him stronger ?

[UpFromTheSkies]

He can use the form's power in base, so transforming doesn't make him stronger anymore.

How could adding 100× or 400× more power to that not make him stronger ?

Goku has realized he can be stronger in his base form than by becoming SS2 or 3, like mystic Gohan.

[sintzu]

He can use the form's power in base, so transforming doesn't make him stronger anymore.

How could adding 100× or 400× more power to that not make him stronger ?

Goku has realized he can be stronger in his base form than by becoming SS2 or 3, like mystic Gohan.

Mystic is like kaio ken you can have both it and ssj but you can't use both at the same time

What toriama is saying is ssj is stronger then ssj2-3 which is 100% wrong.

[sintzu]

Toriyama did a great work making the DB franchise. Let's just pretend that all this isn't happening before he screws everything up.

He's not screwing anything up. Nothing Toriyama has said contradicts the story, it contradicts what people assumed about the story and characters.

Saying ssj is stronger then ssj2-3 is not contradicting the story ?

[Marco Polo]

Toriyama did a great work making the DB franchise. Let's just pretend that all this isn't happening before he screws everything up.

He's not screwing anything up. Nothing Toriyama has said contradicts the story, it contradicts what people assumed about the story and characters.

Saying ssj is stronger then ssj2-3 is not contradicting the story ?

YOU saying that is contradicting the interview.

Toriyama said that it can, not that it "is". This was already shown in Battle of Gods with how base/SSJ Goku put up a better fight against Beerus at the end of the movie than SSJ3 Goku on Kaio's planet. This was thanks to him absorbing SSJGod even after the form wore off.

Not to mention base Gohan was also more powerful than SSJ3 in the manga thanks to Ultimate powerup.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Toriyama did a great work making the DB franchise. Let's just pretend that all this isn't happening before he screws everything up.

He's not screwing anything up. Nothing Toriyama has said contradicts the story, it contradicts what people assumed about the story and characters.

Saying ssj is stronger then ssj2-3 is not contradicting the story ?

He's saying it can be stronger if mastered properly, and that SSJ2 and 3 are wastes of power, and Goku understands that now after becoming SSJG.

SSJ2 and 3 have become the new USSJ.

[sintzu]

YOU saying that is contradicting the interview.

This is what he said : Super Saiyan would raise his level more

Meanning ssj is stronger then ssj2-3

Toriyama said that it can, not that it "is"

Same thing

This was already shown in Battle of Gods with how base/SSJ Goku put up a better fight against Beerus at the end of the movie than SSJ3 Goku on Kaio's planet. This was thanks to him absorbing SSJGod even after the form wore off.

He could have put up an even better fight if he used ssj2-3

Not to mention base Gohan was also more powerful than SSJ3 in the manga thanks to Ultimate powerup.

What does this have to do with ssj being more powerful then ssj2-3 ?

[UpFromTheSkies]

What does this have to do with ssj being more powerful then ssj2-3 ?

Because it shows that base form has the potential to be stronger than SSJ3, which is what Toriyama said in the interview.

[sintzu]

He's saying it can be stronger if mastered properly.

50× will never be stronger then 100×-400× no matter how masterd it is.

SSJ2 and 3 have become the new USSJ.

Ussj takes away speed which ssj2-3 don't do at all.

[sintzu]

What does this have to do with ssj being more powerful then ssj2-3 ?

Because it shows that base form has the potential to be stronger than SSJ3, which is what Toriyama said in the interview.

It shows that a saiyan's mystic powers can be stronger not base.

[hleV]

To be quite honest, this new info helped me in a way. Now I don't have to bother with 'canon' shit and wondering which media 'happened'. Now it's just the manga (Kanzenban), because it's clear that everything else comes from people who don't know they're doing or talking about, including the current 'version' of the original author.

Dragon Ball was so good because of Toriyama + Editor. Anyone else is bad at doing/saying anything related to Dragon Ball, including Toriyama without Editor or (hypotheticlly) Editor without Toriyama.

[UpFromTheSkies]

He's saying it can be stronger if mastered properly.

50× will never be stronger then 100×-400× no matter how masterd it is.

That's what you thought, but now we know that a mastered base or SSJ form can exceed SSJ2 or 3 and make them unnecessary, and your power multiplier is wrong. Deal with it.

[hleV]

He's saying it can be stronger if mastered properly.

50× will never be stronger then 100×-400× no matter how masterd it is.

That's what you thought, but now we know that a mastered base or SSJ form can exceed SSJ2 or 3 and make them unnecessary, and your power multiplier is wrong. Deal with it.

Or Toriyama is wrong, like most of the time nowadays.

[sintzu]

Your power multiplier is wrong. Deal with it.

What toriyama is saying is wrong. Deal with it.

[sintzu]

To be quite honest, this new info helped me in a way. Now I don't have to bother with 'canon' shit and wondering which media 'happened'. Now it's just the manga (Kanzenban)

At least one good thing came out of his new involvment with the series.

[VegettoEX]

You've already been asked to stop with the rude posts, and there is no need to make multiple posts in a row. Collect your thoughts before posting. You will have strikes added to your account from here-on-out with replies like this.

The same goes for everyone. "Deal with it" is an unbelievably inappropriate response here, and will not be tolerated. If you value this website in any way (the full site, the forum, the podcast, etc.), please take a step back to review the forum rules that you agreed to (twice) prior to registration. Account strikes add up to temporary and permanent bans, which revoke access from the entirety of the Kanzenshuu website.

[sintzu]

You've already been asked to stop with the rude posts, and there is no need to make multiple posts in a row. Collect your thoughts before posting. You will have strikes added to your account from here-on-out with replies like this.

Sorry boss.

[goku the krump dancer]

I'm going off the same wave as Zephyr in that we probably shouldn't take these quick Toriyama tidbits %100 super seriously, especially sense the man himself pretty much said so.

As for "Why do them then?" Well I'm not sure.. Toriyama's a weird guy but I guess he probably would feel as though he'd be denying his fans or something which is understandable... Plus these are on the spot interviews correct? He doesn't have much time to prep for the random questions they ask him.

Besides how often do we see any info from these tidbits incorporated into stories? Hardly, if ever.

All that said though I like his Boo origin thing.. Personally deep down that's something I also thought myself. I mean, Boo is just far too complex of a being for some random magician to just be able to create him from scratch. From what we see of Bibidi and Bobidi they both didn't do anything particularly impressive when it comes to their magic, I mean Gero created weapons n such for an army and Bobidi?.. Well he can transport you places if you're in his ship and he possessed a few people who were already bad (Dabura) or misguided (Spopovich and Yamu). We know Gero struggled to create the androids and Cell and he was a "genius" and Bibidi just supposedly went "presto" and here comes the all powerful, nearly immortal somewhat reality warping monster beast? Ehhh I think not.

[Birusu16]

There's nothing wrong with Toriyama saying ssj2 and ssj3 aren't really needed anymore as they're not. Transforming does nothing for Goku after having absorbed the ssjg powers. He didn't receive any kind of increase from going ssj after absorbing the power so he wouldn't receive one when going ssj2 or ssj3 either. It's similar to Gohan's mystic form where transforming into a ssj would do nothing for him.