What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Current Toriyama's style. It's beyond ugly for me. If DB was like that from the beginning I'd probably never like it let alone love it. Emanciated noodle-people with horrible computer shading. Nope. Toyotaro draws DB way better then Toriyama does nowadays.

Preach.

Battle of Gods. 2nd Worst Dragonball movie.

It was the best movie by far with none of the others coming even remotely close.

Evolution was superior to bog.

I could see how one could arrive at that. You would disqualify at least half of the animated movies by the same token, but then most fans seem to agree that there is a weaker half to the lot anyway.

[ABED]

Haven't watched the Piccolo/Piccolo Jr arcs in a while so I might be off, but I remember Tenshinhan and Roshi nearly sealing him up in that rice cooker thing, and Kami nearly sealing Jr. away as well. That's a lot more impressive compared to what any non-Goku characters achieve in any post-1996 material.

Piccolo Jr. countered Kami's Mafuba. He had figured out how to counter the attack to eliminate that weakness.

In the manga, the rice cooker cracked so he never used it, and in the anime, even if Tenshinhan had succeeded, Drum would have killed Tenshinhan easily and released Piccolo from the Denshi Jar.

I do like when characters are given something to do other than watch, but that doesn't require Goku to be given a lesser role in his own story.

[Rocketman]

That's the thing. It's not "Goku's story", and hasn't been since the battle with Freesa. He's almost irrelevant to the plots of the Android and Buu arcs, except as the older experienced warrior training the next generation.

[ABED]

It is his story. Toriyama tries to move the spotlight, but no one else is better suited for the role.

Goku is relevant to the Cyborg arc, Dr. Gero created them to kill Goku and for the bulk of the story, the antagonists desire to fight him.

The whole "passing the torch" thing sounds sweet on paper until one realizes that after so many chapters, people are very invested in your main character, and not a teacher to a new generation. It's a nice coda, but few want to see that over an extended period.

And Evolution is in no way superior to Battle of Gods. It lacked the trademark humor, feel, and action of DB.

The "lamest" thing to come out of modern DBZ to me is the animation. It feels too slick.

[Kakacarrottop]

Evolution by a freaking landslide. "Super Saiyan God" is also pretty lame, essentially a soulless, poorly designed Kaioken rip off only made so BOG could earn some extra cash.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Evolution by a freaking landslide. "Super Saiyan God" is also pretty lame, essentially a soulless, poorly designed Kaioken rip off only made so BOG could earn some extra cash.

I don't see how it is a Kaioken rip off, care to elaborate?

[Dyno]

I would like to know that too, if you don't mind, of course.

[rereboy]

Evolution by a freaking landslide. "Super Saiyan God" is also pretty lame, essentially a soulless, poorly designed Kaioken rip off only made so BOG could earn some extra cash.

I don't see how it is a Kaioken rip off, care to elaborate?

Design wise. Its pretty much just a red aura, just different enough to be distinguishable from Kaioken. Any similar and people would start to have trouble telling the two apart.

[fadeddreams5]

It's a power up with red aura.

Obviously it isn't an actual rip-off, but it is reminiscent to the a kaio ken in appearance. Many peopl across the internet have made the comparison. =P

[Lord Beerus]

Evolution by a freaking landslide. "Super Saiyan God" is also pretty lame, essentially a soulless, poorly designed Kaioken rip off only made so BOG could earn some extra cash.

DB Evolution was Dragon Ball in name only. How anyone can favour that movie over BOG is beyond me.

[Lord Beerus]

It's a power up with red aura.

Obviously it isn't an actual rip-off, but it is reminiscent to the a kaio ken in appearance. Many peopl across the internet have made the comparison. =P

Kaioken:


Super Saiyan God:


I can kinda see the similarities but not enough to say it's a rip off.

[Dyno]

That is so "wiki".

Power-Up and transformations are two things completely separated, even though they share a common result: To boost one's stats.

Power-up can be a simple an act, verbal or non-verbal to boost some or every stats, I think the perfect example for this is in Budokai Tenkaichi games, you know when you press L2 and circle? Or L2, UP and circle? What your character is doing is a power-up, or for some, power-up may have an aura, but that generally affects your whole body, never a specific part of the body, Kaio-Ken is in there. Charging your Ki is also a power-up.

Transformation is the act of change like Super Saiyan, and sometimes completely change, like Freeza's forms. In Budokai Tenkaichi games, it is found by pressing just R3.

Kaio-Ken actually affects the body and turns the user red, throughout the body and it has a red aura whereas Super Saiyan God has a flaming aura (red and orange, or just orange) and affects only the hair, turning it into a lighter red than Kaio-Ken.
Only the wiki implies these two things are the same, when they aren't.

[Dyno]

And Lord Beerus just said what I said with images... Lol.

[rereboy]

What it looks like is an upgraded Kaioken. If I didn't know about SSJ God and someone told me that Kaioken had been upgraded by a character in the story and I saw a image of that character with that aura, I would find it fitting.

[EXBadguy]

Bottom line is people expected better from this so-called "God" form. When the title "Super Saiyan God" comes to mind, it's expected to LOOK like a god, not a cheap powerup. Maybe if it was called something else, there wouldn't be that much hate.

Plus, I prefer a blue flame-y Super Saiyan God power up instead of this cheap knock-off.

[fadeddreams5]

My main gripe with Super Saiyan God is the "super" in its name. It should be called, plain and simply, Saiyan God.

[Low Tone G]

My main gripe with Super Saiyan God is the "super" in its name. It should be called, plain and simply, Saiyan God.

I agree. Freeza also had a red/cylamen aura, so that means it's also a Freeza aura rip-off. I don't really see why should a God form be something very special, when non of DBZ Gods had a transcendent look. I personally like the simplified look of the Saiyan God. And why is the hir red, because red indicates even more power than the Super Saiyan does.

[Lord Beerus]

Bottom line is people expected better from this so-called "God" form. When the title "Super Saiyan God" comes to mind, it's expected to LOOK like a god, not a cheap powerup. Maybe if it was called something else, there wouldn't be that much hate.

Plus, I prefer a blue flame-y Super Saiyan God power up instead of this cheap knock-off.

Well when you think about it, if the Super Saiyan God form had looked God-look and very cool as everybody was hoping it would be, then the form would have been even more underwhelming as it proved to make no difference in terms of the battle. Beerus still won and quite comfortably. Resulting in rendering the Super Saiyan God form as incredibly anticlimactic, as for all it's flash and abnormal aesthetics, it didn't change the outcome or the plot in the grand scheme. It would have been Super Saiyan 3 all over again.

[Zephyr]

That's the thing. It's not "Goku's story", and hasn't been since the battle with Freesa. He's almost irrelevant to the plots of the Android and Buu arcs, except as the older experienced warrior training the next generation.

Everything up to and including the Freeza arc is "Goku's Story". We can agree on that it seems. That's already 8 out of 10 of the story arcs.

The Androids/Cell arc is all about the ramifications of his actions. It's about someone getting revenge on him. He's the reason this is happening. Even if he's out cold for a lot of it, even if he doesn't win the final battle, it's still "Goku's Story". I can humor you and hypothetically concede that in spite of all of that, this arc isn't "Goku's Story", and if I do, this arc is a gigantic exception by this point and little else.

But sure, it ends in a way that appears to be handing the torch to Gohan and making it "Gohan's story". The start of the Buu arc continues that trend that started at the very tail end of the last arc...and peters out of that mindset very decidedly by the end. He's half of the reason Buu gets out, and the other half is the result of someone being obsessed with him. That makes this "Gohan's Story" thing nothing but a small diversion in the grand scheme of things.

Re: Kaioken vs. Super Saiyan God

They have completely different auras and their effects on the physique of the user are literally opposites of each other. The only thing they have in common is that they both prominently feature the color red.

[EXBadguy]

Well when you think about it, if the Super Saiyan God form had looked God-look and very cool as everybody was hoping it would be, then the form would have been even more underwhelming as it proved to make no difference in terms of the battle. Beerus still won and quite comfortably. Resulting in rendering the Super Saiyan God form as incredibly anticlimactic, as for all it's flash and abnormal aesthetics, it didn't change the outcome or the plot in the grand scheme. It would have been Super Saiyan 3 all over again.

Not really since Godku gave Beerus more of a fight.