Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[rereboy]

The most likely scenario is that he left immediately after talking to Whis considering he was impatient, which is the whole reason he contacted him in the first place. After he arrives he even says he feels like he was waiting 220 years. Why would a guy that impatient wait any longer than necessary to leave and head to his desired location?

Why would a guy that impatient not go with Whis in the first place? If he doesn't have teleportation, he not only would have to wait for Whis to get it, but also for him to get back, while, if he went with him, he wouldn't have to wait for him to get back.

Your argument falls on itself because you fail to realize that Beerus is lazy besides being impatient and the he probably is even more lazy than he is impatient.

And no, you haven't been clear enough. You've been ignoring an essential part of my argument as to why Beerus wouldn't have a teleportation technique. As I've pointed out numerous times, Beerus whined about a 26 minute trip to Kaio's planet. If he could instantly teleport there and spare himself a 26 minute trip in order to gain something he so desperately wants such as fighting the SSJG then why wouldn't he? Why wait 26 minutes that you previously complained about when you can get there instantly?

It literally makes no sense.

As for assumptions, I'm using logic to dictate my assumptions.

Because, like I said, numerous times, he's lazy. You are just assuming that he's much more impatient than he is lazy, when, in fact, he is both, and probably even more lazy than he is impatient. You claim to be using logic but there is no logic in assuming that he would always act on his impatience but never on his laziness.

[Birusu16]

The most likely scenario is that he left immediately after talking to Whis considering he was impatient, which is the whole reason he contacted him in the first place. After he arrives he even says he feels like he was waiting 220 years. Why would a guy that impatient wait any longer than necessary to leave and head to his desired location?

Why would a guy that impatient not go with Whis in the first place? If he doesn't have teleportation, he not only would have to wait for Whis to get it, but also for him to get back, while, if he went with him, he wouldn't have to wait for him to get back.

Your argument falls on itself because you fail to realize that Beerus is probably even more lazy than impatient.

And no, you haven't been clear enough. You've been ignoring an essential part of my argument as to why Beerus wouldn't have a teleportation technique. As I've pointed out numerous times, Beerus whined about a 26 minute trip to Kaio's planet. If he could instantly teleport there and spare himself a 26 minute trip in order to gain something he so desperately wants such as fighting the SSJG then why wouldn't he? Why wait 26 minutes that you previously complained about when you can get there instantly?

It literally makes no sense.

As for assumptions, I'm using logic to dictate my assumptions.

Because, like I said, numerous times, he's lazy. You are just assuming that he's much more impatient than he is lazy, when, in fact, he is both, and probably even more lazy than he is impatient. You claim to be using logic but there is no logic in assuming that he would always act on his impatience but never on his laziness.

1. That's all on the basis that they were planning to eat the dinosaur meat at said planet, which nothing indicates they were going to. Beerus also clearly thought he could wait 3 minutes hence him giving Whis that time frame. He came to find out he couldn't, which again, implies his impatience overrules his laziness when it comes to things he desperately wants.
2. When it comes to things he wants he is much more impatient than he is lazy. That's specifically shown in episode 2 of Super. If his laziness overruled his impatience when it comes to things he wants then he wouldn't of flown all the way out there for some dinosaur meat. I'd certainly say that he's much more lazy than impatient in general, but when it comes to things he wants he's clearly much more impatient than he is lazy. That was shown in BoGs and here in Super as well.

Like I said before, you don't whine about a 26 minute trip to Kaio's planet if you have a method capable of reaching it in an instant. It makes absolutely no sense. Him being lazy is not a valid defense because as I've said and shown with examples, he's more impatient than he is lazy in terms of things he really wants. Fighting a SSJG was one of those things. You really think he wouldn't take the fastest option at his disposal?

[singsing]

^ Especially since Whis didn't say anything like "why are you whining, if you're that impatient just teleport yourself there. Are you THAT lazy?"

[Saiyan007]

wait why are people arguing for teleportation Beerus when he was surprised by instant transmission?

Also if Beerus could teleport why didn't he destroy planet Vegeta himself instead of saying he didn't want to be bothered

Teleportation would get him there instantly as well as Go to king kai's place instantly instead of 26 mins

Really pushing hard for things that make no sense when the obvious answer is he flew there

[Birusu16]

^ Especially since Whis didn't say anything like "why are you whining, if you're that impatient just teleport yourself there. Are you THAT lazy?"

Indeed

wait why are people arguing for teleportation Beerus when he was surprised by instant transmission?

Also if Beerus could teleport why didn't he destroy planet Vegeta himself instead of saying he didn't want to be bothered

Teleportation would get him there instantly as well as Goku to king kai's place instantly instead of 26 mins

Really pushing hard for things that make no sense when the obvious answer is he flew there

Pretty much what I've been saying all along. The planet Vegeta example is just icing on the cake. I mean he specifically says he'd of destroyed it, but since it was so far away he couldn't be bothered. If he had teleportation then that certainly wouldn't of been an issue.

[rereboy]

The most likely scenario is that he left immediately after talking to Whis considering he was impatient, which is the whole reason he contacted him in the first place. After he arrives he even says he feels like he was waiting 220 years. Why would a guy that impatient wait any longer than necessary to leave and head to his desired location?

Why would a guy that impatient not go with Whis in the first place? If he doesn't have teleportation, he not only would have to wait for Whis to get it, but also for him to get back, while, if he went with him, he wouldn't have to wait for him to get back.

Your argument falls on itself because you fail to realize that Beerus is probably even more lazy than impatient.

And no, you haven't been clear enough. You've been ignoring an essential part of my argument as to why Beerus wouldn't have a teleportation technique. As I've pointed out numerous times, Beerus whined about a 26 minute trip to Kaio's planet. If he could instantly teleport there and spare himself a 26 minute trip in order to gain something he so desperately wants such as fighting the SSJG then why wouldn't he? Why wait 26 minutes that you previously complained about when you can get there instantly?

It literally makes no sense.

As for assumptions, I'm using logic to dictate my assumptions.

Because, like I said, numerous times, he's lazy. You are just assuming that he's much more impatient than he is lazy, when, in fact, he is both, and probably even more lazy than he is impatient. You claim to be using logic but there is no logic in assuming that he would always act on his impatience but never on his laziness.

1. That's all on the basis that they would eat the dinosaur meat at that planet, which nothing indicates they were going to.
2. When it comes to things he wants he is much more impatient than he is lazy. That's specifically shown in episode 2 of Super. If his laziness overruled his impatience when it comes to things he wants then he wouldn't of flown all the way out there for some dinosaur meat. I'd certainly say that he's much more lazy than impatient in general, but when it comes to things he wants he's clearly much more impatient than he is lazy. That was shown in BoGs and here in Super as well.

Like I said before, you don't whine about a 26 minute trip to Kaio's planet if you have a method capable of reaching it in an instant. It makes absolutely no sense.

1. If he was willing to wait to eat it at home instead of that planet, then he wouldn't be that impatient.

2. He didn't fly all the way out there for some dinosaur meat, he sent Whis. He was lazy and so he sent Whis. Only after, he got bored and went himself. If his impatience overruled his laziness all the time, he wouldn't send Whis in the first place, he would go with Whis or alone. But it only overrules sometimes, which is why he sent Whis first and then went himself.

3. First, it also doesn't make sense to whine if there's no faster way. Beerus just likes to whine. Second, I never said that his method would be instant, just like I never said his method would be effortless. That's just you assuming again. What I said is that his travel speed feat is dependent on him not using absolutely no other technique for getting around besides basic flying like the gang uses, which, as far as we know, and considering his laziness, he might have. It could be similar to teleportation or pretty different, we don't know, I just suggested that he could have his methods. Since I don't take assumptions for granted, I find it perfectly possible.

wait why are people arguing for teleportation Beerus when he was surprised by instant transmission?

Also if Beerus could teleport why didn't he destroy planet Vegeta himself instead of saying he didn't want to be bothered

Teleportation would get him there instantly as well as Go to king kai's place instantly instead of 26 mins

Really pushing hard for things that make no sense when the obvious answer is he flew there

Nobody argued he had instant teleportation. What was argued was that his speed feat is dependent on him only having flight like the gang has, which he don't know, since he might have other methods of getting around, similar to teleportation or not. We don't know enough.

And the answer for all your other questions is laziness. He is lazy, as it was shown various times.

[Birusu16]

1. If he was willing to wait to eat it at home instead of that planet, then he wouldn't be that impatient.

2. He didn't fly all the way out there for some dinosaur meat, he sent Whis. He was lazy and so he sent Whis. Only after, he got bored and went himself. If his impatience overruled his laziness all the time, he wouldn't send Whis in the first place, he would go with Whis or alone. But it only overrules sometimes, which is why he sent Whis first and then went himself.

3. First, it also doesn't make sense to whine if there's no faster way. Beerus just likes to whine. Second, I never said that his method would be instant, just like I never said his method would be effortless. That's just would assuming again. What I said is that his travel speed feat is dependent on him not using absolutely no other technique for getting around besides basic flying like the gang uses, which, as far as we know, and considering his laziness, he might have. It could be similar to teleportation or pretty different, we don't know, I just suggested that he could have his methods. Since I don't take assumptions for granted, I find it perfectly possible.

1. Beerus clearly thought that as well. He thought he could wait 3 minutes. He was obviously wrong considering he flew out there for it. He underestimated his desire for the dinosaur meat.

2. Yes he did. Beerus did not fly out there because he was bored. He flew out there because he got fed up with waiting hence the statement of "It feels like I've waited 220 years." And stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say his impatience overruled his laziness all the time. i said it overrules his laziness when it comes to things he desperately wants, which is shown in episode 2 of Super when he flies to a planet for dinosaur meat because he can't wait 3 minutes.

3. Which is a completely moot point because there's absolutely nothing suggesting it. It's speculation based on essentially nothing.

Either way, this argument is fruitless. There's no basis whatsoever to suggest Beerus used anything other than his raw speed to get to that planet. Assuming otherwise requires reaching to a point that you might as well label as fan-fiction. Now if he's shown with a teleportation technique or something similar down the line then it's perfectly reasonable to revisit this, but until then one cannot sit here and suggest he used whatever you're implying he might have used despite no evidence of it whatsoever.

[singsing]

3. First, it also doesn't make sense to whine if there's no faster way. Beerus just likes to whine. Second, I never said that his method would be instant, just like I never said his method would be effortless. That's just would assuming again. What I said is that his travel speed feat is dependent on him not using absolutely no other technique for getting around besides basic flying like the gang uses, which, as far as we know, and considering his laziness, he might have. It could be similar to teleportation or pretty different, we don't know, I just suggested that he could have his methods. Since I don't take assumptions for granted, I find it perfectly possible.

You're the one talking about assumptions, yet you make the biggest assumption of all... right here. There is literally no indication Beerus has anything other than standard flight. He was impressed and surprised at teleportation and relies on Whis's staff for other uses. You're assuming he has some sort of... something. You don't even know what it is nor has it ever been implied. Huuuge assumption.

[Saiyan007]

wait why are people arguing for teleportation Beerus when he was surprised by instant transmission?

Also if Beerus could teleport why didn't he destroy planet Vegeta himself instead of saying he didn't want to be bothered

Teleportation would get him there instantly as well as Go to king kai's place instantly instead of 26 mins

Really pushing hard for things that make no sense when the obvious answer is he flew there

Nobody argued he had instant teleportation. What was argued was that his speed feat is dependent on him only having flight like the gang has, which he don't know, since he might have other methods of getting around, similar to teleportation or not. We don't know enough.

And the answer for all your other questions is laziness. He is lazy, as it was shown various times.

yeah he flew there on his own becuase Whis was taking too long for his liking

You can't just assume he has teleportation when nothing says he has

Again if he's so lazy telportation would be perfect for him but he doesn't have it and there's no proof he does have it there are plenty of things that say he doesn't have teleportation

The burden of proof is on you to say he does

3. First, it also doesn't make sense to whine if there's no faster way. Beerus just likes to whine. Second, I never said that his method would be instant, just like I never said his method would be effortless. That's just would assuming again. What I said is that his travel speed feat is dependent on him not using absolutely no other technique for getting around besides basic flying like the gang uses, which, as far as we know, and considering his laziness, he might have. It could be similar to teleportation or pretty different, we don't know, I just suggested that he could have his methods. Since I don't take assumptions for granted, I find it perfectly possible.

You're the one talking about assumptions, yet you make the biggest assumption of all... right here. There is literally no indication Beerus has anything other than standard flight. He was impressed and surprised at teleportation and relies on Whis's staff for other uses. You're assuming he has some sort of... something. You don't even know what it is nor has it ever been implied. Huuuge assumption.

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If he could teleport why didn't he do so with whis When they were going back home then surely it would be faster

[rereboy]

3. First, it also doesn't make sense to whine if there's no faster way. Beerus just likes to whine. Second, I never said that his method would be instant, just like I never said his method would be effortless. That's just would assuming again. What I said is that his travel speed feat is dependent on him not using absolutely no other technique for getting around besides basic flying like the gang uses, which, as far as we know, and considering his laziness, he might have. It could be similar to teleportation or pretty different, we don't know, I just suggested that he could have his methods. Since I don't take assumptions for granted, I find it perfectly possible.

You're the one talking about assumptions, yet you make the biggest assumption of all... right here. There is literally no indication Beerus has anything other than standard flight. He was impressed and surprised at teleportation and relies on Whis's staff for other uses. You're assuming he has some sort of... something. You don't even know what it is nor has it ever been implied. Huuuge assumption.

Except I'm only arguing that it's possible, not that it's definitely the case. I'm saying that he might have. So, no, there's no assumptions here. People are just assuming he can't, that its not possible, even though there's nothing definite on it. I'm just pointing it out, and explaining how it could be different than what people are assuming.

Maybe you should read carefully next time to really understand the difference between someone who is arguing assumptions and one who is arguing possibilities.

yeah he flew there on his own becuase Whis was taking too long for his liking

You can't just assume he has teleportation when nothing says he has

Again if he's so lazy telportation would be perfect for him but he doesn't have it and there's no proof he does have it there are plenty of things that say he doesn't have teleportation

The burden of proof is on you to say he does

I didn't assume anything, I just pointed out that it might be possible. And, like I said, I didn't talk about instant teleportation. Read carefully next time.

Teleportation would be perfect for impatience, not laziness. A lazy person prefers to let others do the work, even if they could do it better.

I don't have to prove anything because I didn't claim that he definitely has alternative methods of transportation. I just said that it's possible that he has. You are the one claiming that he definitely hasn't.

If he could teleport why didn't he do so with whis When they were going back home then surely it would be faster

Because laziness doesn't care about if it's faster or not. That's impatience. And yes, Beerus is impatient but he is also is very lazy, probably more so than impatient.

Either way, this argument is fruitless. There's no basis whatsoever to suggest Beerus used anything other than his raw speed to get to that planet. Assuming otherwise requires reaching to a point that you might as well label as fan-fiction. Now if he's shown with a teleportation technique or something similar down the line then it's perfectly reasonable to revisit this, but until then one cannot sit here and suggest he used whatever you're implying he might have used despite no evidence of it whatsoever.

Like I said, I never claimed that it definitely was how I sated it possibly was. I merely pointed out the assumptions and offered possibilities. It's honestly funny to encounter such visceral responses to the mere suggestion that things might be different than what people assume regarding something that we know basically nothing about (how Beerus would travel through space without Whis).

[Birusu16]

3. First, it also doesn't make sense to whine if there's no faster way. Beerus just likes to whine. Second, I never said that his method would be instant, just like I never said his method would be effortless. That's just would assuming again. What I said is that his travel speed feat is dependent on him not using absolutely no other technique for getting around besides basic flying like the gang uses, which, as far as we know, and considering his laziness, he might have. It could be similar to teleportation or pretty different, we don't know, I just suggested that he could have his methods. Since I don't take assumptions for granted, I find it perfectly possible.

You're the one talking about assumptions, yet you make the biggest assumption of all... right here. There is literally no indication Beerus has anything other than standard flight. He was impressed and surprised at teleportation and relies on Whis's staff for other uses. You're assuming he has some sort of... something. You don't even know what it is nor has it ever been implied. Huuuge assumption.

Except I'm only arguing that it's possible, not that it's definitely the case. I'm saying that he might have. So, no, there's no assumptions here. People are just assuming he can't, that its not possible, even though there's nothing definite on it. I'm just pointing it out, and explaining how it could be different than what people are assuming.

Maybe you should read carefully next time to really understand the difference between someone who is arguing assumptions and one who is arguing possibilities.

yeah he flew there on his own becuase Whis was taking too long for his liking

You can't just assume he has teleportation when nothing says he has

Again if he's so lazy telportation would be perfect for him but he doesn't have it and there's no proof he does have it there are plenty of things that say he doesn't have teleportation

The burden of proof is on you to say he does

I didn't assume anything, I just pointed out that it might be possible. And, like I said, I didn't talk about instant teleportation. Read carefully next time.

Teleportation would be perfect for impatience, not laziness. A lazy person prefers to let others do the work, even if they could do it better.

I don't have to prove anything because I didn't claim that he definitely has alternative methods of transportation. I just said that it's possible that he has. You are the one claiming that he definitely hasn't.

If he could teleport why didn't he do so with whis When they were going back home then surely it would be faster

Because laziness doesn't care about if it's faster or not. That's impatience. And yes, Beerus is impatient but he is also is very lazy, probably more so than impatient.

Either way, this argument is fruitless. There's no basis whatsoever to suggest Beerus used anything other than his raw speed to get to that planet. Assuming otherwise requires reaching to a point that you might as well label as fan-fiction. Now if he's shown with a teleportation technique or something similar down the line then it's perfectly reasonable to revisit this, but until then one cannot sit here and suggest he used whatever you're implying he might have used despite no evidence of it whatsoever.

Like I said, I never claimed that it definitely was how I sated. I merely pointed out the assumptions and offered possibilities. It's honestly funny to encounter such visceral responses to the mere suggestion that things might be different than what people assume regarding something that we know basically nothing about (how Beerus would travel through space without Whis).

There's no visceral responses here. When you bring up an assumption then people expect you to back that assumption up with evidence. All we were doing was asking you to do that and provide logical reasoning for why he would have some sort of teleportation technique despite it not being in align with his character in anyway and actually conflicts with numerous cases where such an ability would do wonders for him. I don't care how he reached the planet, but unless he shows a method different from conventional flight then the latter method is what I'm going to assume he used as that's the basic ability most DB characters use to get around. If it's later brought up that he reached the planet through different means then I'll gladly accept that instead.

Either way, it doesn't matter at this point.

[singsing]

If you're bringing up a "possibility", then the burden of proof is on you to show it when there's been zero implication for it. Otherwise, we "assume" he can only do regular flying, because that's the least assumption option. Otherwise I'm not sure what you're arguing. You're literally just saying it's a possibility and then never backing it up.

[rereboy]

There's no visceral responses here. When you bring up an assumption then people expect you to back that assumption up with evidence. All we were doing was asking you to do that and provide logical reasoning for why he would have some sort of teleportation technique despite it not being in align with his character in anyway and actually conflicts with numerous cases where such an ability would do wonders for him.

Either way, it doesn't matter at this point.

My posts continue to not be read properly, which is why you continue to state things that I've already clarified.

- I merely offered a possibility since we know nothing definite regarding this. I never claimed he actually had something like that, so I never assumed anything, I merely talked about possibilities besides what was being assumed and how it made sense. You were the one assuming that it definitely can't be possible.

- I never said it was actual teleportation, I mentioned other ways to travel which can be similar to that but not necessarily, as long as they are different than the common flying of the gang.

- Like I said, I explained why it made sense. Beerus acting out of laziness would explain why he wants others to do the work, even if it could be done better by him, because that's how laziness works. You merely disagreed with that, focusing on his impatience. However, with that you are trying to argue that it definitely can't be possible, while I'm just just saying that there might be other possibilities.

[Birusu16]

There's no visceral responses here. When you bring up an assumption then people expect you to back that assumption up with evidence. All we were doing was asking you to do that and provide logical reasoning for why he would have some sort of teleportation technique despite it not being in align with his character in anyway and actually conflicts with numerous cases where such an ability would do wonders for him.

Either way, it doesn't matter at this point.

My posts continue to not be read properly, which is why you continue to state things that I've already clarified.

- I merely offered a possibility since we know nothing definite regarding this. I never claimed he actually had something like that, so I never assumed anything, I merely talked about possibilities besides what was being assumed and how it made sense. You were the one assuming that it definitely can't be possible.

- I never said it was actual teleportation, I mentioned other ways to travel which can be similar to that but not necessarily, as long as they are different than the common flying of the gang.

- Like I said, I explained why it made sense. Beerus acting out of laziness would explain why he wants others to do the work, even if it could be done better by him, because that's how laziness works. You merely disagreed with that, focusing on his impatience. However, with that you are trying to argue that it definitely can't be possible, while I'm just just saying that there might be other possibilities.

1. And we asked you what your basis for that possibility was. There's nothing wrong with that. This is a forum. Posts are going to be challenged. And no, we (or at least I) weren't assuming it wasn't possible. I specifically said if it was brought up later then we can certainly revisit this, but until then the logical assumption is he flew there as that's the conventional way of traveling in the DB universe.

2. And again, we asked you what your basis for that was. When you bring up a possibility/assumption then people are going to ask for some form of evidence to back that up or at the very least a basis for it.

3. And once again, no, I never tried to argue that it wasn't possible. I specifically said if it was brought up later then we can certainly revisit this, but until then the logical assumption is he flew there as that's the conventional way of traveling in the DB universe. What I argued was that Beerus having some form of teleportation conflicts with numerous times where such an ability would do wonders for him.

This is just arguing semantics at this point, so I'll step away.

[rereboy]

If you're bringing up a "possibility", then the burden of proof is on you to show it when there's been zero implication for it. Otherwise, we "assume" he can only do regular flying, because that's the least assumption option. Otherwise I'm not sure what you're arguing. You're literally just saying it's a possibility and then never backing it up.

Really...? What I wanted was to generate some conversation about possibilities, theories and so on about something that we only have assumptions about. This is basically what happened:

- We never see how Beerus would and can travel throughout space without Whis.

- Everything regarding how he would do it and how fast he would be is an assumption based on other things we actually saw in the movies/series.

- Regarding his possible speed, many assume that he wouldn't be faster than Whis because then why would he travel with Whis?

- Because of that previous assumption, many assume that he doesn't have teleportation or any similar technique.

- I challenged those assumptions by saying something similar, in short, to "well, that's not definite, we have seen that Beerus is pretty lazy, most of the time. Maybe he actually has some means of traveling faster than just flying, maybe similar to teleportation or not, but we haven't seen it because, except certain situations, he just prefers to have Whis do the work, like we have seen him do".

- In response people tell me that I'm assuming that Beerus has teleportation and thus have to offer proof of such a claim, and that that it's definitely not possible, even though their proof that it's not possible are their assumptions.

Jeez, guys...

1. And we asked you what your basis for that possibility was. There's nothing wrong with that. This is a forum. Posts are going to be challenged. And no, we (or at least I) weren't assuming it wasn't possible. I specifically said if it was brought up later then we can certainly revisit this, but until then the logical assumption is he flew there as that's the conventional way of traveling in the DB universe.

2. And again, we asked you what your basis for that was. When you bring up a possibility/assumption then people are going to ask for some form of evidence to back that up or at the very least a basis for it.

3. And once again, no, I never tried to argue that it wasn't possible. I specifically said if it was brought up later then we can certainly revisit this, but until then the logical assumption is he flew there as that's the conventional way of traveling in the DB universe. What I argued was that Beerus having some form of teleportation conflicts with numerous times where such an ability would do wonders for him.

This is just arguing semantics at this point, so I'll step away.

Like I told you, its the fact that Beerus is very lazy. A lazy person likes to have others do the work, even if they could do it as well as them or even better, and, as we saw in the movies/series, Beerus is very lazy, probably more so than impatient. You just don't accept that as a basis for the possibility.

[singsing]

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying you need to back up your claim or it's like random fan theories that put Goku above TOAA with no proof. Otherwise what's the point of bringing it up if there's literally nothing suggesting it? We could heartily discuss this matter if you brought up something that would suggest it. Jeez..

[rereboy]

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying you need to back up your claim or it's like random fan theories that put Goku above TOAA with no proof. Otherwise what's the point of bringing it up if there's literally nothing suggesting it? We could heartily discuss this matter if you brought up something that would suggest it. Jeez..

The reasoning for what I said was explained more than once.

The whole assumption that Beerus can't travel as fast or faster than Whis or have any sort of alternative traveling method better than flying like the gang has, is simply based on the assumption that Beerus wouldn't travel with Whis if that was the case.

However, as we know, Beerus is very lazy, and thus, the previous assumption loses weigh due to the fact that lazy people will prefer to let others do the work even when they could do it as well or better. Meaning, that he could have something of the kind but we might not have seen it due to this factor. In fact, he could even have something of this kind, but not something that it's better than Whis travel method.

There's no proof either way, not to my possibility, nor to the common assumption. Just the possibility. That's all. Who asks me pro prove it or back it up or thinks I'm assuming anything are just missing my point, honestly.

And that's enough for this discussion.

[Sora Saiyan]

For anybody who's interested in the calcs the previous one that put Beerus at 3 billion times faster than light didnt hold enough weight so it was redone, it's now between 12-120 billion x FTL. If it's just his flight speed, it's ridiculous. Again it's only for those who follow the feats following real world logic.

[Bullza]

I haven't been reading about all this but where are they getting that kind of speed from?

Didn't he just fly from one planet to another planet some unknown distance away in a couple minutes?

[Doctor.]

I haven't been reading about all this but where are they getting that kind of speed from?

Didn't he just fly from one planet to another planet some unknown distance away in a couple minutes?

He flew from his temple to that planet. His temple which is inside a nebula. When they returned, no nebula was in sight, and nebulas are huuuge, it must have been really far away for it to not be visible.