Gohan's lack of Mystic form explained?

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:41 pm

JimmyRustam wrote:It only has been 4 episodes without Gohan, but as a fanboy I miss him :/ Am I the only one?

Nope. I'm sure if he came back, they'd find another way to embarrass him again. Unlike other people, I don't delude myself into believing anyone but the new best buddies will be relevant. If anyone is going to be, it's going to be new characters. As Beerus and Whis were the new characters who joined them, a couple more probably will too.

KingKaash · Post by **KingKaash** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:03 am

Despite being pissed because I am a Gohan fan, I try to look at this from a practical perspective. If we humans stop training/working out, we become slower and less muscular. So if Saiyans don't train, then the lose whatever peak levels they were at. That's why Goku and Vegeta always want to train to stay at their peak levels and not regress and even push themselves to higher levels. Obviously Gohan didn't train because the writers want to make him a lame scholar only so he's lost most of his strength.

I also think Toriyama wants to wash out the old stuff and give most of his characters fresh starts as well as creating separation. Goku and Vegeta are clearly in a league of their own with their SSG and SSB powers. SSJ2 and SSJ3 are gone now because Toriyama doesn't want them around anymore. In effect, Ultimate/Mystic Form for Gohan is gone as well. So now Gohan joins the next league which is the Super Saiyan club because Toriyama still wants to keep SSJ around. So Gohan will use that and be the leader of that league with Trunks, Goten and Cabba among others. I wish SSJ2 stuck around though because it's not hard for Toriyama to draw like SSJ3 is and it was originally Gohan's form/transformation.

TekTheNinja · Post by **TekTheNinja** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:11 am

KingKaash wrote:Despite being pissed because I am a Gohan fan, I try to look at this from a practical perspective. If we humans stop training/working out, we become slower and less muscular. So if Saiyans don't train, then the lose whatever peak levels they were at. That's why Goku and Vegeta always want to train to stay at their peak levels and not regress and even push themselves to higher levels. Obviously Gohan didn't train because the writers want to make him a lame scholar only so he's lost most of his strength.

I also think Toriyama wants to wash out the old stuff and give most of his characters fresh starts as well as creating separation. Goku and Vegeta are clearly in a league of their own with their SSG and SSB powers. SSJ2 and SSJ3 are gone now because Toriyama doesn't want them around anymore. In effect, Ultimate/Mystic Form for Gohan is gone as well. So now Gohan joins the next league which is the Super Saiyan club because Toriyama still wants to keep SSJ around. So Gohan will use that and be the leader of that league with Trunks, Goten and Cabba among others. I wish SSJ2 stuck around though because it's not hard for Toriyama to draw like SSJ3 is and it was originally Gohan's form/transformation.

Well Gohan went through the same character arc twice (arguably three times) any then immediately forgot about it. The character arc I'm referring to is him realizing he has to train to protect his loved ones. He went through it in the Buu arc, the Golden Frieza arc, and arguably the Cell arc.

For some reason he keeps forgetting this lesson. This is shitty writing.

Chillekasper · Post by **Chillekasper** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:43 am

I Dont know of Gohan will have a comeback...

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:50 am

Chillekasper wrote:I Dont know of Gohan will have a comeback...

He's not. Toriyama seems to have confirmed it. There is no such thing as a relevant fighter who is allowed to care more about something else above fighting, while training for selfless reasons. Doesn't exist for some reason. The stat trinity of importance reigns supreme yet again. I consider that anime stuff to be made up filler, which likely will not mean anything. Just like how the so called book no one would shut up about, meant nothing.

gofishus · Post by **gofishus** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:20 am

The thing I'm most disappointed about DBS is they made Vegeta and Goku the focal point and everyone else basically is nothing including Gohan. Gohan used to be one of the strongest characters, THE strongest character in the Cell Saga and third strongest comparable to SSJ2 Vegeta and Goku during the Buu Saga. Now he's SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than Goku and Vegeta. What gives? And I still keep hoping Future Trunks will make an appearance cause he was an amazing character too.

Saturnine · Post by **Saturnine** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:05 am

We'll see how it goes. I think we've received solid hints that Gohan is Mythical again.

Kagari · Post by **Kagari** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:48 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Chillekasper wrote:I Dont know of Gohan will have a comeback...
He's not. Toriyama seems to have confirmed it. There is no such thing as a relevant fighter who is allowed to care more about something else above fighting, while training for selfless reasons. Doesn't exist for some reason. The stat trinity of importance reigns supreme yet again. I consider that anime stuff to be made up filler, which likely will not mean anything. Just like how the so called book no one would shut up about, meant nothing.

I don't think Toriyama really confirmed anything outside of saying what we already knew up to the RoF arc/movie. Besides, there was an awful lot there in Super for Gohan's new developments to simply be filler.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:40 pm

Kagari wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
Chillekasper wrote:I Dont know of Gohan will have a comeback...
He's not. Toriyama seems to have confirmed it. There is no such thing as a relevant fighter who is allowed to care more about something else above fighting, while training for selfless reasons. Doesn't exist for some reason. The stat trinity of importance reigns supreme yet again. I consider that anime stuff to be made up filler, which likely will not mean anything. Just like how the so called book no one would shut up about, meant nothing.
I don't think Toriyama really confirmed anything outside of saying what we already knew up to the RoF arc/movie. Besides, there was an awful lot there in Super for Gohan's new developments to simply be filler.

I think he did with how he thinks of the character. That same scene also didn't appear in the manga either, so it probably wasn't important. Ergo I'm pretty sure that's just toei filler that won't mean anything. Marketing has nothing going for him either, further insinuating it probably means nothing. The interest lies in the 4 that fit the stat trinity of importance like a glove. No less, no more.

Kagari · Post by **Kagari** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:00 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Kagari wrote:
I don't think Toriyama really confirmed anything outside of saying what we already knew up to the RoF arc/movie. Besides, there was an awful lot there in Super for Gohan's new developments to simply be filler.
I think he did with how he thinks of the character. That same scene also didn't appear in the manga either, so it probably wasn't important. Ergo I'm pretty sure that's just toei filler that won't mean anything. Marketing has nothing going for him either, further insinuating it probably means nothing. The interest lies in the 4 that fit the stat trinity of importance like a glove. No less, no more.

The manga did include the "Gohan has the most potential" line so I guess there is that. And besides, the manga doesn't include everything and even skipped over the RoF stuff where he realized he needs to keep training.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:16 pm

Kagari wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
Kagari wrote:
I don't think Toriyama really confirmed anything outside of saying what we already knew up to the RoF arc/movie. Besides, there was an awful lot there in Super for Gohan's new developments to simply be filler.
I think he did with how he thinks of the character. That same scene also didn't appear in the manga either, so it probably wasn't important. Ergo I'm pretty sure that's just toei filler that won't mean anything. Marketing has nothing going for him either, further insinuating it probably means nothing. The interest lies in the 4 that fit the stat trinity of importance like a glove. No less, no more.
The manga did include the "Gohan has the most potential" line so I guess there is that. And besides, the manga doesn't include everything and even skipped over the RoF stuff where he realized he needs to keep training.

It also shit on him

. I think he's secretly the poster boy for generation Y. A generation full of potential, but completely wastes it. We'll see if he does anything after the current arc, but I doubt it.

Kagari · Post by **Kagari** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:23 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Kagari wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
I think he did with how he thinks of the character. That same scene also didn't appear in the manga either, so it probably wasn't important. Ergo I'm pretty sure that's just toei filler that won't mean anything. Marketing has nothing going for him either, further insinuating it probably means nothing. The interest lies in the 4 that fit the stat trinity of importance like a glove. No less, no more.
The manga did include the "Gohan has the most potential" line so I guess there is that. And besides, the manga doesn't include everything and even skipped over the RoF stuff where he realized he needs to keep training.
It also shit on him . I think he's secretly the poster boy for generation Y. A generation full of potential, but completely wastes it. We'll see if he does anything after the current arc, but I doubt it.

Toei probably wants to sell merchandise so I'm sure they'll do something even if it's simply "filler" outside of Toriyama's outline. I really want the current arc to move on since marketing has been fully focused on that and we've pretty much nothing to go on for hints to the future other than some character Toyotaro really likes is getting some screen time.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:07 pm

Kagari wrote:Toei probably wants to sell merchandise so I'm sure they'll do something even if it's simply "filler" outside of Toriyama's outline. I really want the current arc to move on since marketing has been fully focused on that and we've pretty much nothing to go on for hints to the future other than some character Toyotaro really likes is getting some screen time.

Even the special manga focused on Goku and Vegeta with Toriyama. Seems clear to me that's how it's gonna stay. I say it's very VERY important to not believe in something that probably won't happen. Better to be surprised from doubt, than to be disappointed in a not guaranteed belief.

kaioken12 · Post by **kaioken12** » Sat May 07, 2016 7:44 pm

I just realised that it's really a shame that they did not link Gohan's ultimate form to God Ki in some way or another.
I mean, since the old Kaioshin said how transformation was the wrong way to go and was the one performing the ritual

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Sun May 08, 2016 7:49 am

Yes, he lost his fighting attire/gi in which it was stored.

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