Super Episode 113 (29 October 2017)

[namekiansaiyan]

I seriously don't see why some of you like this episode when nothing happened and was basically filler. The fight was bad and was just Caulifla rushing at Goku with no success and then ending with a Ki blast that Goku blocks.

[Li'l Lemmy]

They will come and then they will "accidentally" kill off Goten and Trunks and nobody will care enough to wish them back. Only in filler episodes do we get to see them hanging out on Kaio's planet and telling the others to wish them back, when the gang needs to use the Dragon Balls for some stupid wish, they don't actually need the Dragon Balls for.
Future is bleak for Goten and kid Trunks fans

Not sure if sarcasm or serious. .-.

Goku is going to take Cali and Kale home with him thanks to a special request from Zen'o. That way, he finally get the children he always wanted instead of the losers he was stuck with.

All right, all right. Sarcasm it is. ._.

[Noah]

SS3 Looking Z Badass was the highlight of this episode for me, I never expected SS3 looking this good on Super.
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After the infamous episode 5, I thought the same as well. I'm glad I was wrong.

[pacz360]

Why did ssj2 Goku not destroy Caulifa and kale? It goes against all logic. Even tired and messing around Gokus ssj2 should be well above theirs. This show is getting ridiculous.

Dbs just confirmed that ssj is a set level...

So current ssj2 Goku is the same strength as dbz ssj2 Goku. No other way this makes sense.

No
Anyway I like how caulifla feels like she has to pick up the slack since cabba and hit are out it shows that she respect those two character

[hunduel]

I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.

[Torturephile]

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I re-watched the episode, and it really hammered home a few points to me. I feel I should go over the episode to slowly build up why I felt it didn't really work. First of all, it starts with Goku quite clearly saying he can't use all of his power, as he's still weakened from his fight with Jiren. Caulifla then swoops in and knocks away all 3 robots individually in her base form. Afterwards, she states that, thanks to Cabba, she's recovered all of her strength and goes SSJ2. She asks Goku to teach her SSJ3, which he immediately agrees to. She asks why he doesn't transform, and he states it's because he's still tired from facing Jiren. The two then fight, with Caulifla flying in and attacking. All of her attacks miss and Goku is able to evade her almost flawlessly. He then outpaces her (as a tired, base form Goku no less) to counterattack. Whis interrupts and says strength is no match for true martial arts (which is BS if you consider DBZ, but whatever). Afterwards, he utilizes both the Afterimage technique and Instant Transmission to gain an edge over her in what was probably the better part of the fight, in my opinion.

Now, everything up until this point hasn't really been all that bad. The two main points, however, are that Goku has stated multiple times that he's fatigued and that Caulifla apparently is little more than a brawler. Keep this in mind as I continue here. So, Caulifla manages to block one of Goku's IT attacks. He compliments her and they go into a series of close-range attacks. The two are even and end up clashing fists, with worn-out base Goku clashing evenly with Caulifla. Whis interjects again, saying that Caulifla has a massive amount of potential, and fighting Goku is bringing all of that potential out (keep in mind that this is all happening over the course of a few seconds; not days, not hours, not even minutes, but a few seconds). Beerus questions Whis, claiming "Didn't you say she was just a brawler?" Whis responds by acting aloof; "Oh, did I say that?"

So now we've backpedaled on the "Caulifla is just a simple brawler" idea. Continuing on, they keep fighting equally until Caulifla eventually lands a kick. Goku then goes SSJ2 (it's definitely SSJ2, you can see the lightning effects) and the two fight... and it's just as equal as it was prior to transforming. The fight looks almost exactly the same as before he transformed, albeit now he has golden hair. Seriously, their attacks continue to be equal in strength, Caulifla still manages to get in a hit and the two clash ki blasts, with them canceling out. Goku then apparently has the gall to say that she's apparently gained mastery over SSJ2, despite their fight being literally less than a minute in-universe: "I know I told you that you'll need to master Super Saiyan 2 first, but this is beyond what I imagined."

This is where everything comes together, in my opinion. Despite being seemingly "fatigued," Goku flawlessly avoids everything Caulifla throws at him initially and simultaneously continues to grow stronger and stronger. He even knocks her around as if he's toying with her; in fact, he may well be. But that runs counter to being "fatigued;" so why hammer home this point if you're going to basically immediately dismiss it? Caulifla is stated to be a simple brawler, but she is apparently so "filled with potential" that she can overcome that in a few seconds and immediately counter Goku. Why introduce the concept if you're going to immediately do a 180 on it? Finally, they have Goku transform, but there is no visible indication to any improvement on Goku's part upon powering up. What is the point, then? Why indicate a jump in power if visually he appears to do just as well as he was doing before transforming?

That leads to the ultimate point on why this episode didn't really work for me: nothing felt important. It all felt like pure filler to just eat up a bit of time. A setup to the eventual fusion that's coming. I gained nothing from the episode save seeing Goku be more enjoyable as a character than he was for most of the tournament. I gained nothing from this episode. And now I've spent all this time making this point on why I gained nothing from this episode. Guess the joke's on me. Anyway, I hope this can better clarify why I felt this episode didn't work for me.

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This reminds me of this:
https://youtu.be/uPwVuC3YOrc

[Noah]

You know the move Caulifla used defeating the U3 bots reminded of Pan in the Final Bout opening

[HybridSaiyan]

I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.

Because the SSJ2 fight was rather lackluster when compared to Goku and Majin Vegeta.

I didn't mind the episode, as the SSJ3 scene made up for everything but the fights just lack detail and tension.

[Spider-Man]

This episode was pretty weak,while i do like Caulifla and Kale team up they we're pretty good in this episode but other than that this episode feel like padding,like where is Vegeta vs Toppo or Gohan and Piccolo vs the namekians.Also Champa was really annoying in this episode seriously can't someone shut him up.

Overall this episode was pretty weak.I'm excited for the next week episode because the fusion of Kale and Caulifla looks really cool.

[hunduel]

I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.

Because the SSJ2 fight was rather lackluster when compared to Goku and Majin Vegeta.

I didn't mind the episode, as the SSJ3 scene made up for everything but the fights just lack detail and tension.

That's a fair point, and I understand your statement but I seriously can't understand what many people say on other sites like Twitter on YouTube. They literally want to quit the show just because they showed Kale and Caulifla and that the episode "was the worst by far in the whole series". What the fuck.

[The gr]

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Wait. How is base goku beating caulifla stupid? Even if it was just based on power, base Goku should be stronger than any super saiyan transformation unless its coming from Vegeta.

Ok your right but I thought Caulifla and Goku base were even

[HybridSaiyan]

I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.

Because the SSJ2 fight was rather lackluster when compared to Goku and Majin Vegeta.

I didn't mind the episode, as the SSJ3 scene made up for everything but the fights just lack detail and tension.

That's a fair point, and I understand your statement but I seriously can't understand what many people say on other sites like Twitter on YouTube. They literally want to quit the show just because they showed Kale and Caulifla and that the episode "was the worst by far in the whole series". What the fuck.

I don't get that either. The series shouldn't get cancelled for that reason lol. When I watch Super though, I just tend to put it on another category than Z and that way I don't get disappointed whenever they deliver a fight.

You just gotta put it like this; Z fights and Super fights.

[dbgtFO]

Not sure if sarcasm or serious. .-.

Goku is going to take Cali and Kale home with him thanks to a special request from Zen'o. That way, he finally get the children he always wanted instead of the losers he was stuck with.

All right, all right. Sarcasm it is. ._.

Yeah, I too was being sarcastic.

[Jigurashi]

I seriously don't see why some of you like this episode when nothing happened and was basically filler. The fight was bad and was just Caulifla rushing at Goku with no success and then ending with a Ki blast that Goku blocks.

Probably because some of us enjoyed the fight and found it good. I certainly prefer it over most fights this saga.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Please tell me these "Teasers" aren't going to be the norm from now on. What's the point if we're going to see them in the episode anyway?

On the episode itself, I liked the fight. Half expected Caulifa to give up once she sees what Super Saiyan 3 looks like but guess the fight is going to be a bit longer now with Kale going berserk again.

Unless you live in Japan this shouldn't be an issue as the simulcast doesn't have them. Anyway it's probably easy to avoid.

Daisuki has them and AnimeLab too.

Weird I watched it on Daisuki this morning and it wasn't there.

[Torturephile]

I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.

I seriously don't see why some of you like this episode when nothing happened and was basically filler.

The fandom in a nutshell.

[MaskedRider]

I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.

I seriously don't see why some of you like this episode when nothing happened and was basically filler.

The fandom in a nutshell.

The duality of man.

[HeroR]

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Wait. How is base goku beating caulifla stupid? Even if it was just based on power, base Goku should be stronger than any super saiyan transformation unless its coming from Vegeta.

Ok your right but I thought Caulifla and Goku base were even

That was never stated, especially since Cabba being even with Vegeta in base form is over a year old information in-universe and Vegeta been through a lot since then. So Vegeta and Goku could have easily pulled ahead of the U6 Saiyans. But I don't think the different between base form Goku and Cali is drastic, although it appears that way thanks to Goku's vast fighting experience.

[hunduel]

I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.

I seriously don't see why some of you like this episode when nothing happened and was basically filler.

The fandom in a nutshell.

Except that I admit that the episode was average. Even though I subjectively liked it/enjoyed it.
However, I simply don't understand how this episode was so horrible that people want to drop the whole show.

[RedHeat]

Honestly, I don't get how anyone can think this ep was worse than the Gohan & Piccolo vs Snipers one.