Super Episode 118 (3 December 2017)

[namekiansaiyan]

Saonel and Pirina did not fuse with every Namekian on their planet just the ones that volunteered.

[precita]

Someone should edit all the scenes of the Namek fight together from the previous eps, and watch the whole fight smoothly without any interruptions or cutting to U2 or characters talking.

Seems like a good fight overall split in pieces over several eps.

[Onibaku]

I felt a little sad when Champa disappeared. He was one of the better GoD for me and I loved his funny moments.

The episode was great. Lots of good action and I love the animation they used for fighting in this episode. Wish every fight of Super was like that *looking at Black Goku Saga*.

Glad Universe 2 is gone, couldn't stand them anymore.

[Michsi]

How though, kami and Piccolo weren't different beings to begin with, they shouldn't appear, especially since Piccolo was said to have turned into the previous nameless namekian after the fusion

Things are a little fuzzy when it comes to their fusion. Despite the story trying to sell it as them forming a new character at first, we still see him as the same old Piccolo with a few personality enhancements. People like Piccolo worlds more, Kami being equally present in his persona probably doesn't sit well with most. In any case, I liked the approach, and the scene with Kami and Nail appearing and Kami pointing towards Gohan was 10/10 imo. My interpretation is that he was telling him to get his shit together and remember who and what he was fighting for - his universe.

[namekiansaiyan]

How though, kami and Piccolo weren't different beings to begin with, they shouldn't appear, especially since Piccolo was said to have turned into the previous nameless namekian after the fusion

Things are a little fuzzy when it comes to their fusion. Despite the story trying to sell it as them forming a new character at first, we still see him as the same old Piccolo with a few personality enhancements. People like Piccolo worlds more, Kami being equally present in his persona probably doesn't sit well with most. In any case, I liked the approach, and the scene with Kami and Nail appearing and Kami pointing towards Gohan was 10/10 imo. My interpretation is that he was telling him to get his shit together and remember who and what he was fighting for - his universe.

It can easily be explained by saying Piccolo is technically just another Namekian with similarities to King Piccolo and so is not the proper other half to Kami.

[DBZ Macky]

Did Goku use the Kaio-Ken here?

[Michsi]

How though, kami and Piccolo weren't different beings to begin with, they shouldn't appear, especially since Piccolo was said to have turned into the previous nameless namekian after the fusion

Things are a little fuzzy when it comes to their fusion. Despite the story trying to sell it as them forming a new character at first, we still see him as the same old Piccolo with a few personality enhancements. People like Piccolo worlds more, Kami being equally present in his persona probably doesn't sit well with most. In any case, I liked the approach, and the scene with Kami and Nail appearing and Kami pointing towards Gohan was 10/10 imo. My interpretation is that he was telling him to get his shit together and remember who and what he was fighting for - his universe.

It can easily be explained by saying Piccolo is technically just another Namekian with similarities to King Piccolo and so is not the proper other half to Kami.

Story is even fuzzier when it comes to King Piccolo/Piccolo Jr., but he is definitely not just another namekian.

[SonReggie]

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Like the GP said, U7 has been dominating this tourament - they've eliminated all of the universes! Second-weakest universe? They've been anything but honestly.

Still seeing statements like this, and will all due respect that is NOT what was stated. It was never said that U7 was the "second weakest". The whole thing has been based on the mortal population of each universe. U7 had a very low mortal population and THAT is what their 'ranking' was based upon. Population, not power.

As for the episode itself; good - but not impressed that 'exhausted' Goku had to save the day again. Seriously - 'breaking through his shell' guff notwithstanding, why were the Androids reduced to needing to be rescued? There was honestly NOTHING they could do that would have at least HELPED (the supposedly exhausted) Goku break out of that black hole? Sheesh.

[Saitou Hajime]

It is confusing but I think it is showing that Goku is trying to find reserves he didn't know he had -- break his limit, his self-limiting shell. He scrapes the bottom of the barrel deeper each time.

It reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho, when Genkai was training Yusuke to push himself to near death and go beyond his limits.

[Cipher]

In light of going off on the overall direction/plotting of the arc in other threads, I want to note here that this was a good episode, delivering not only on action and far-better-than-usual direction, but both character-based humor and tension in a way this story line has rarely risen to.

Gohan and Piccolo's beats in particular were very good, and both erasures were wonderfully handled.

[STH]

The best episode of the ToP arc for me.

[sintzu]

Not very good to be honest, especially the ending with those girls chasing the Namakians. You're about to get erased yet still treating it like a game.

What's up with the Namakians power levels ? After fusing with one he went from not being able to touch Nappa to giving 2nd form Freeza a major run for his $$$. After fusing with a 2nd one he went from not being able to touch 3rd form Freeza to vastly surpassing Ssj Goku and Vegeta. These 2 have fused with what seemes to be at least 10 each yet this is how strong they are ?

[Ilikepictures-meh]

U7 obviously is still dominating the competition, and its obviously still annoying. But I though the episode was very good.

The last three male U2 characters transforming into....magical guys...and...using the Kamikaze Fireballs techniques/spells was unexpected and hilarious. The Piccolo/Gohan vs U6 Namaks fight was a good fight to watch, Piccolo also increasing his elimination count.

17 & 18 once again help out Goku, which I been a big fan of seeing them rescue and team up with Goku thouroghout the arc. Though imo they should have been the ones to rescue Goku like they've previously done in earlier episodes, not be saved by an exhausted Goku. The siblings silly "villainous" interactions with U2 characters is just fun to watch.

Favorite part was the better sweet erasure of both U2 and U6. U2 went out gracefully and I really come to respect that universes and its characters as a whole, despite their quirks. Seems like both 17 & 18 have both been impacted by them and gained a liking/respect for U2 (Mostly the Kamikaze Fireballs) as well.

The interaction between Caulifla and the U6 Namaks were great to see, a nice cheerful exchange, despite them knowing they will soon be gone. Cabba saying goodbye to his master, and Champa going out being playful to his brother a final time. What made this moment even better was both Beerus and Vegeta obviously being affected by Cabba's and Champa's erasure, despite trying to play it cool.

[Cipher]

What's up with the Namakians power levels ? After fusing with one he went from not being able to touch Nappa to giving 2nd form Freeza a major run for his $$$. After fusing with a 2nd one he went from not being able to touch 3rd form Freeza to vastly surpassing Ssj Goku and Vegeta. These 2 have fused with what seemes to be at least 10 each yet this is how strong they are ?

Diminishing returns?

It probably doesn't all math-out correctly if you approach it that way, but they were at least strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Ultimate Gohan, who was stronger than everyone outside of Vegetto and Boo's absorption forms in the original run.

That's already a pretty massive gulf between them and Piccolo, who after two fusions (or however his remerging with God worked), was still trounced by first-form Cell.

[Artorias]

But I will say the parts with the Namekians and the army of fused Namekians behind them was pretty cool and creepy. What was even creepier though was Kami and Nail, especially Kami. Those black holes in his eyes, damn that's dark looking. Although, what was the point of showing Nail and Kami anyway? All Kami did was point to Gohan. Okay??

I think it's pretty obvious it was just cool symbolism, where Piccolo is reminded that he's not alone and has the power of fusion behind him as well. Piccolo was getting all intimidated and whatnot, and then he realizes he has his people helping him too. It was used as a catalyst for him to get his motivation and determination back. And the pointing at Gohan was again just a cool way for Piccolo to notice that Gohan saved him this time rather than him always having to save Gohan.

[Michsi]

What's up with the Namakians power levels ? After fusing with one he went from not being able to touch Nappa to giving 2nd form Freeza a major run for his $$$. After fusing with a 2nd one he went from not being able to touch 3rd form Freeza to vastly surpassing Ssj Goku and Vegeta. These 2 have fused with what seemes to be at least 10 each yet this is how strong they are ?

It seems they hadn't fully assimilated the new power yet, maybe they needed more time. And it depends with who they fused with. Nail was the strongest namekian and Kami was Piccolo's other half. What if those volunteers were just your average namekians.

But I will say the parts with the Namekians and the army of fused Namekians behind them was pretty cool and creepy. What was even creepier though was Kami and Nail, especially Kami. Those black holes in his eyes, damn that's dark looking.

Anyone else thought of Dumbo's nightmare?

[Kanassa]

Not very good to be honest, especially the ending with those girls chasing the Namakians. You're about to get erased yet still treating it like a game

I don't see that as a bad thing, it only makes the scene more bittersweet. They've accepted their fate, and they're fine with it because they all did everything that they could; so instead of making their last moments one of sadness, it's one of fond recollection. They didn't win, but they got pretty damn close. It's the perfect way to bow out. It's like those "It was an honor, gentleman" in war movies. Actually, it makes me think of the final episode of Blackadder Goes Forth where the characters stand around jabbing at each other a bit as they realize that they're fucked.

[Kataphrut]

One minor complaint I have on reflection is that Saonel and Pirina fusing with every Namekian is a really cool concept, but much like Kefla, it was another potential trump card that accomplished nothing. Not to be Mr Power Scaler, but I like to imagine given enough time they could have surpassed Kale in power. But instead they were even with Gohan and Piccolo, got stronger as the fusion stabilised, but were still defeated in the end. It feels like a wasted opportunity to not have them involved in more fights, even if there was justification for it.

That said, it's amazing that Universe 6 went from being mostly pathetic and needing to be carried by Hit in the first tournament to gaining two really impressive trump cards in this one. You have to give Champa credit for having multiple contingencies.

[percula]

Well, U6 is gone... It was expected (and spoiled), I guess, but I'm definitely sad The way it ended for them was so (bitter)sweet, with Caulifla and Kale running after the Namekians, Cabba saying goodbye to Vegeta, and dear Champa being himself. Vados was really funny.
A bit disappointing that Goku didn't react to it. I'm glad that Vegeta did, though.
The U2 fighters were just hysterical, but they also made me sad with all those speeches - U2's erasure was just inevitable. And they truly went out with grace.
Anyway, despite all of that, my favourite moment was when Nail and Kami appeared - I just got chills, that was a completely unexpected surprise. I could just feel Piccolo's intense emotions.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Not very good to be honest, especially the ending with those girls chasing the Namakians. You're about to get erased yet still treating it like a game.

How is that a bad thing? I loved that they were too sidetracked by that little fun moment rather than focusing on their erasure. It just goes to show that they’ve pretty much accepted their fates. I’ll take this over something that’s more grim.