Season Four set arrives 2/19/2008

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:13 am

But the colors on the Dragon Box release are like...so...weird.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:13 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:But the colors on the Dragon Box release are like...so...weird.

Yep, it just doesn't have that "crank colors and contrast 'till my eyes bleed kthx" quality that FUNimation has. Oh Gen, how I love thee...

-Corey

xzero · Post by **xzero** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:32 pm

Sorry about the double-negative; I didn't catch it. What I meant was that TheGreatness25's screens have a quality about them that is reminiscent of the Kaio shots used to try and tell us that it's all okay. My original intent was to debunk these screens (the ones from the DVDs, not the TV), but that is impossible to do so.

And to TheGreatness25, are you a Funimation employee? You seem pretty quick to point out the good of the boxes and ignore the bad, and you have done so on at least one other topic on this forum. I'm not starting a flame war here or anything, but I am very curious.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:13 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:But the colors on the Dragon Box release are like...so...awesome.

Fixed that for ya...

But in all seriousness, you gotta be shittin' me to make a claim like that.

Funi's...

DBox...

Dbox...

Dbox colors are FINE... and they are consistent throughout the series. We'll see what the above shots look like with the new wide screen releases though.

Toniofalcon · Post by **Toniofalcon** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:12 pm

The picture of the DBox looks beautiful.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:47 pm

Toniofalcon wrote:The picture of the DBox looks beautiful.

They are really easy on the eyes. I might buy the movie box in the future.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:53 am

Okay if you like a dark picture (look at that SS1 Goku vs Frieza pic) and pink skin. $20 says that if TOEI were the ones that released the widescreen footage and FUNimation was to release the one that looks like the Dragon Box footage, everyone would talk about how much that sucks and htey have pink skin and they got a dark picture, while TOEI's is so amazing and bodly going into the future with widescreen and HD footage. I'm just telling it how I see it. I think the original footage is awesome. The "Remastered" stuff is shitty at first glance, the disappearing lines and all that do suck so badly, but as far as the cropping, just imagining that I've been watching it cropped nearly the same amount my entire life (before getting the DVDs which was after I saw the whole series anyway), it doesn't bother me as much. The Dragon Box seems really cool, full image with the dirt taken off, but the tinting and brightness is just bad.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:16 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Okay if you like a dark picture (look at that SS1 Goku vs Freeza pic) and pink skin. $20 says that if TOEI were the ones that released the widescreen footage and FUNimation was to release the one that looks like the Dragon Box footage, everyone would talk about how much that sucks and htey have pink skin and they got a dark picture

I'll bet $20 that the "majority" of those people will be the Dragon Ball fans that don't really know much of Dragon Ball beyond what FUNi throws at them.

The Greatness25 wrote:While TOEI's is so amazing and bodly going into the future with widescreen and HD footage.

lolz.....maybe with One Piece has made the transition to HD & widescreen in it's recent & past episodes over in Japan.

The Greatness25 wrote:The Dragon Box seems really cool, full image with the dirt taken off, but the tinting and brightness is just bad.

I've actually seen some of the Dragon Box footage & it looks really nice in motion. I don't really notice the "pink skin" so much unless it's a still. Even then, it still looks nice. So no, I don't think it really looks bad. Honestly I find the FUNi footage to be much annoyingly brighter (Nappa's "teeth" in Season 1 as an example), despite the changes in color. Like someone said before the Dragon Box is easy on the eyes.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:22 am

Well other than the disappearing lines which occasionally happen, the "Remastered" footage is easy on the eyes too, while maintaining normal colored skin, etc. I mean go back and compare the Super Saiyan Goku vs Frieza picture that someone put up and compare, I"m not talking about the cropping, but compare the picture quality.

So what has better footage?

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SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:32 am

One Piece has been airing in HD for quite some time actually. I remember Kaizoku offering up some widescreen releases a long time ago.

Those are fucking JPG's. They've lost some detail due to compression so you really shouldn't compare the two at all. Find yourself some lossless PNG's and you'll notice the difference.

By the way, JPG's or not, Dragon Box beats out FUNi's. To you it looks better because it's what you're used to. To each their own, I guess.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:35 am

Well I guess I just like brighter images and normal colored skin. I'd assume others would like a brighter image too since that's what made DBZ quality so much better than GT's gritty dark imaging.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:44 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Well I guess I just like brighter images and normal colored skin. I'd assume others would like a brighter image too since that's what made DBZ quality so much better than GT's gritty dark imaging.

In another thread, Corey wrote:That's how the animation teams intended the flesh tones to be, and on a properly calibrated display it actually looks excellent.

That about sums it up. When I look at my white friends I can see a bit of pink mixed in there. I never look at them and think "Damn! These fuckers are bright!" or "Their fleshtones are unnatural."

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:47 am

When you look at a white person you see their skin as pink? What? I never saw anyone with pink skin at all. Peach yes, tan yes, light yes, but never pink. That's not a good sign.

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:49 am

SatoSky wrote:Those are fucking JPG's. They've lost some detail due to compression so you really shouldn't compare the two at all. Find yourself some lossless PNG's and you'll notice the difference.

No kidding. In fact I've been thinking the very same thing every time I look into this topic.

Well I guess I just like brighter images and normal colored skin.

I'll give you the brighter part but, given the choice between pink skin and white skin on an animated character, I really don't even know how one decides which is "normal."

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:50 am

I wrote:I can see a bit of pink mixed in there.

A bit. Not completely, but a bit.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:00 am

Okay then let me be blunt then. The skin is ALL pink. Just look at it. And the skin is not WHITE on the FUNImation release, it's a light peach or dark peach depending on the shadow. Wow seriously, before the Dragon Box all was well and right with the world, now the Dragon Box has pink skin, so suddenly, that's the definitive picture. Seriously, I really do think that if TOEI were the ones to release the one that FUNI is releasing now, everyone would say how great it is. So be honest, 100% truthful, even though probably not a lot will be, how many people are just being bias towards the Japanese version? Seriously, I mean why don't you turn the tint up on you TVs if you want to see pink people? I prefer real skin colors.
Oh and sure, great excuse, "those are JPGs and you can't compare them!" So as JPGs we can't compare them even though they look practically they have practically the same color scheme etc as when you watch it for real. Finding reasons or maybe excuses to promote that it's an "unfair" comparison. Please. Thank you and good night.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:09 am

I am a white person and I only turn pink when I've been in the Sun too long.

So maybe the DBox characters are just all sunburned.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:34 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Okay then let me be blunt then. The skin is ALL pink. Just look at it. And the skin is not WHITE on the FUNImation release, it's a light peach or dark peach depending on the shadow. Wow seriously, before the Dragon Box all was well and right with the world, now the Dragon Box has pink skin, so suddenly, that's the definitive picture.

Let me be blunt, yes the skin tones are pink, that's how they are meant to be seen! Yes, the Dragon Box is the definitive Dragon Ball release because it is one of the very, very few coherent DVD releases in the world. Can anybody reference any other Dragon Ball Z DVD release from any part of the world that is truly faithful to the original version? Excluding those new sets from Spain, which I am already aware of.

TheGreatness25 wrote:Seriously, I really do think that if TOEI were the ones to release the one that FUNI is releasing now, everyone would say how great it is. So be honest, 100% truthful, even though probably not a lot will be, how many people are just being bias towards the Japanese version?

We don't have to worry about that because Toei actually has a certain level of competence when it comes to Dragon Ball. Yes I'm being "biased" towards the Japanese version, only because it makes sense.

TheGreatness25 wrote:Seriously, I mean why don't you turn the tint up on you TVs if you want to see pink people? I prefer real skin colors.

Maybe because I shouldn't fucking have to mess around with my TV settings to get the original colors? Why don't you mess around with your settings to get the colors you want. Call me fucking crazy but I actually expected to get Dragon Ball Z, not the sharpened, saturated, DVNR'd disgrace that is the FUNimation DBZ Season Sets.

TheGreatness25 wrote:Oh and sure, great excuse, "those are JPGs and you can't compare them!" So as JPGs we can't compare them even though they look practically they have practically the same color scheme etc as when you watch it for real. Finding reasons or maybe excuses to promote that it's an "unfair" comparison. Please. Thank you and good night.

I'm not making excuses or finding reasons, compare all you fucking want. I was only suggesting that you try and find some lossless PNG's because those two screencaps of Goku and Freeza look like pixelated crap to me. (Yeah, even the Dragon Box screencap looks bad to me.) In any case, if it's not in motion you're not getting the real experience. Lossless images or not.

Thank you and good night.

Post by **TripleRach** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:37 am

Okay then let me be blunt then. The skin is ALL pink. Just look at it. And the skin is not WHITE on the FUNImation release, it's a light peach or dark peach depending on the shadow. Wow seriously, before the Dragon Box all was well and right with the world, now the Dragon Box has pink skin, so suddenly, that's the definitive picture. Seriously, I really do think that if TOEI were the ones to release the one that FUNI is releasing now, everyone would say how great it is. So be honest, 100% truthful, even though probably not a lot will be, how many people are just being bias towards the Japanese version? Seriously, I mean why don't you turn the tint up on you TVs if you want to see pink people? I prefer real skin colors.

I have some pinkishness to my complexion, as do a lot of people I know. I don't know if anyone else discussing this right now is female, but if you've ever looked through foundation colors when checking out make-up, there are definitely some that are pinkish. I don't look like Buu or anything, but neither do Gokuu and Gohan. DBZ is hardly the only cartoon in the world to use pinkish flesh tones, anyway, and these are the colors the show was originally animated with, despite FUNi's BS about all the "color correction" they had to do.

And this "YOU'RE ALL EVIL ANTI-FUNIMATION JERKS" thing is getting tiresome. People could say the same thing about you going out of your way to praise FUNi's sets. And I'll do it, because it honestly sounds like you're just trying to find any reason to validate the season sets, and refuse to hear that they have flaws. I'm certainly not being biased here, and personally, I used to be one of the biggest collectors and supporters of FUNimation's releases. The simple fact is, Toei and Pony Canyon respected the original integrity of the picture, while FUNimation has always fucked with colors and brightness levels to try to make the show look "new" to appeal to the American kiddies. Trying to imagine the reverse situation is laughable, but I'm sure at least some people would be willing to call a spade a spade, especially considering the price of Japanese DVDs.

(Incidentally, I can see pinkishness to people on TV without fucking up the colors or tint and leaving it center balanced. On two completely different TVs.)

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:12 am

TripleRach wrote: this "YOU'RE ALL EVIL ANTI-FUNIMATION JERKS" thing is getting tiresome. People could say the same thing about you going out of your way to praise FUNi's sets. And I'll do it, because it honestly sounds like you're just trying to find any reason to validate the season sets, and refuse to hear that they have flaws.

Agreed, this stuff has already been debated to hell, without people re-hashing what has been said a million times before, only with slightly better punctuation.

TheGreatness25 wrote:Thank you and good night.

I presume this means you're dropping your obnoxious tirade?, you like the season sets... everyone understands that, just enjoy them and stop trying to prove they were worth your money.