The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Michsi]

Do we know that after that one time, Mr. Popo was still sparing with Goku instead of giving him alone-training tasks instead?

Wasn't it established that it's better to spar with someone? Why opt for somethig else?

[hleV]

Do we know that after that one time, Mr. Popo was still sparing with Goku instead of giving him alone-training tasks instead?

Wasn't it established that it's better to spar with someone? Why opt for somethig else?

Mr. Popo is a busy man, he has other things to do than spar with Goku for the whole day, as Goku would've liked. The other earthlings, on the other hand, weren't busy at all.

Sometimes things aren't the way you see them.

[Michsi]

Mr. Popo is a busy man, he has other things to do than spar with Goku for the whole day, as Goku would like.

Yeah, there are like so many more important things to care about than the fate of the world. Plus, his job was to protect Kami, which incidentally, depended entirely on Goku's performance against Piccolo.

Sorry, but that busy man argument felt a bit... weird to me ....

[hleV]

Mr. Popo is a busy man, he has other things to do than spar with Goku for the whole day, as Goku would like.

Yeah, there are like so many more important things to care about than the fate of the world.

That's how it seems, since he's stronger than anyone on Earth at that time yet does nothing useful.

[Michsi]

That's how it seems, since he's stronger than anyone on Earth at that time yet does nothing useful.

Except train Goku.
If Kami himself didn't order Popo to go kill Piccolo then there must have been other reasons why he couldn't do it.

[hleV]

That's how it seems, since he's stronger than anyone on Earth at that time yet does nothing useful.

Except train Goku.
If Kami himself didn't order Popo to go kill Piccolo then there must have been other reasons why he couldn't do it.

If Popo didn't spar with Goku all the time, then there must have been reasons why he couldn't do it. Not saying it's totally true, but there's no way Goku and the earthlings went trough a training of the same level.

[Michsi]

If Popo didn't spar with Goku all the time

Who said he didn't?

the earthlings went trough a training of the same level.

What wold make it different aside from the fact that they were all there.

But maybe you are right.

Piccolo and the others probably didn't go through the same training as Goku did either.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I have one:
Kame-Sen'nin VS Tsuru-Sen'nin VS Taopaipai
No one can team up with anyone.
EDIT: Kame-Sen'nin is as strong as he was in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. Taopaipai is not a cyborg.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I am always skeptical about any battle power in the manga, at least when it comes to the Earthlings. They can change their battle power at will, and that's the reason Vegeta told Nappa they should not use the Scouters in the battle.

The publications however go for the actual strength of a character, rather than what a Scouter may tell you.

If you believe that, then why did the publications include certain battle powers of Earthlings in the manga (e.g. Goku at 416, Kuririn at 206, Kame-sennin at 139, incidentally also the same as his 22nd Budokai BP when fighting)?

It's more than likely that the staff who worked on the battle powers in the publications just didn't care as much as we superior anal-retentive, quote-scrutinizing fans do.

Goku may have had over 900 during his Super Kamehameha or whatever it's called during the 23th Tenkaichi Budokai, same for his Kamehameha against Raditz.

If that was the case, then why wouldn't they clarify it instead of misleading us into thinking one thing and letting us make shit up for ourself? I guess I should assume that Piccolo's 3,500 isn't his actual battle power and just one of his Makankosappo-blasts, even though that isn't shown or implied anywhere.

[Saiga]

I have one:
Kame-Sen'nin VS Tsuru-Sen'nin VS Taopaipai
No one can team up with anyone.

I think Kame-Sen'nin would take this, depending on the period this takes place.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I have one:
Kame-Sen'nin VS Tsuru-Sen'nin VS Taopaipai
No one can team up with anyone.

You need to specify which time frame.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You need to specify which time frame.

I edited my original post.

[Saiga]

Well yes, I think Kame-Sen'nin would win. Pretty sure Tao Pai Pai is superior to Tsuru-Sen'nin and Kame-Sen'nin at the 22nd Budokai is better than Goku at Baba's place.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I have one:
Kame-Sen'nin VS Tsuru-Sen'nin VS Taopaipai
No one can team up with anyone.
EDIT: Kame-Sen'nin is as strong as he was in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. Taopaipai is not a cyborg.

Well, I think that Kame-sennin at the 22nd TB had surpassed both Tsuru-sennin and Tao Pai Pai by far, so he'd defeat them with ease.

[Fox666]

I am always skeptical about any battle power in the manga, at least when it comes to the Earthlings. They can change their battle power at will, and that's the reason Vegeta told Nappa they should not use the Scouters in the battle.

The publications however go for the actual strength of a character, rather than what a Scouter may tell you.

If you believe that, then why did the publications include certain battle powers of Earthlings in the manga (e.g. Goku at 416, Kuririn at 206, Kame-sennin at 139, incidentally also the same as his 22nd Budokai BP when fighting)?

It's more than likely that the staff who worked on the battle powers in the publications just didn't care as much as we superior anal-retentive, quote-scrutinizing fans do.

Like I answered in an earlier post, "except for battle powers they have directly taken from the manga" there really isn't any fractional battle power listed in the guidebooks.

But it's quite confusing. We don't know for sure the context of these 910.

Of course you can never trust the manga ether, Toriyama doesn't put much effort in making the reader know the battle power of a character. 99.9% of people would think Raditz battle power is 1,200 while Raditz telling Goku that Gohan battle power of 1,307 is greater than his (instead of both of them) suggests otherwise.

[Piccolo Daimao]

If you believe that, then why did the publications include certain battle powers of Earthlings in the manga (e.g. Goku at 416, Kuririn at 206, Kame-sennin at 139, incidentally also the same as his 22nd Budokai BP when fighting)?

It's more than likely that the staff who worked on the battle powers in the publications just didn't care as much as we superior anal-retentive, quote-scrutinizing fans do.

Like I answered in an earlier post, "except for battle powers they have directly taken from the manga" there really isn't any fractional battle power listed in the guidebooks.

Doesn't change the fact that, to someone like you, 416 and 206 could be Goku and Kuririn's suppressed battle powers respectively, and they're in a publication that, in your words, "go for the actual strength of a character".

[CatouttaHell]

How far would Full Power Young Piccolo Daimao get against the following opponents from the 23rd TB? He fights each opponent one-on-one gets healed after every fight.

1. Chaozu
2. Chichi
3. Yamucha
4. Kuririn
5. Cyborg Tao Pai Pai
6. Tenshinhan

I have one:
Kame-Sen'nin VS Tsuru-Sen'nin VS Taopaipai
No one can team up with anyone.
EDIT: Kame-Sen'nin is as strong as he was in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. Taopaipai is not a cyborg.

Tao Pai Pai gets raped in under 5 seconds by either of them.

Roshi would lose to Tsuru-sennin as well unless he's allowed to buff up like he did against Tenshinhan.

Semi-Buff Roshi > Tsuru-sennin > Base Roshi > Chapa-o > Son Gohan > Tao Pai Pai

[Kaboom]

How far would Full Power Young Piccolo Daimao get against the following opponents from the 23rd TB? He fights each opponent one-on-one gets healed after every fight.

He'd easily sweep through everyone but Tenshinhan, whom he'd get a really good fight out of but still beat in the end.

[Rocketman]

King Piccolo beats down almost everybody, but Tien is close enough he has a chance.

Then ChiChi beats them both down at once~

[CatouttaHell]

I don't think Piccolo Daimao can beat any of them, even Chichi, to be honest. It's stated in the Anime that both Yamucha and Chichi are above Piccolo Daimao but a good amount and the manga doesn't necessarily contradict it.

Plus God states that Yamucha will catch up with him if he trains a bit more, implying there's nowhere near as massive of a gap between them as there was between God and Piccolo Daimao (he literally finger-flicked the guy who beat him after all.)

Ma Junior stating that taking over the world will be harder than he thought after fighting Kuririn probably means Kuririn is > Son Goku (Estimated.)