"Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters" FUNimation English Dub Official Announcement and Discussion Thread

[Scsigs]

That wasn't my question at all. My question was, couldn't Toei get them to do the Buu Saga?

Did they really not get the company that did the first 4 arcs to do Buu?

Uh, okay. That's exactly what you asked, so I clarified.

Well, anyway. They probably could have, but chose not to, as it was likely cheaper to stick with an in-house production -- a logical, if disappointing conclusion, as the first iteration of Kai wasn't very successful in Japan.

Given that Boo Kai was intended for international audiences only, it probably made the most business sense.

God, Toei's cheap as fuck. There's this shit, then there's them hiring inexperienced animators for Super & only giving them a month to do an episode of it. Not to mention, as far as I know, One Piece's animation quality has been slipping a bit too. Jesus Christ.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

God, Toei's cheap as fuck. There's this shit, then there's them hiring inexperienced animators for Super & only giving them a month to do an episode of it. Not to mention, as far as I know, One Piece's animation quality has been slipping a bit too. Jesus Christ.

It's not even about being cheap, really. Boo Kai is a product that they never expected to sell well, else it would have been give the same treatment as Kai 1.0. Also, most those "inexperienced animators" for DBS have already worked on One Piece, and many worked on Z back in the day.

[Scsigs]

God, Toei's cheap as fuck. There's this shit, then there's them hiring inexperienced animators for Super & only giving them a month to do an episode of it. Not to mention, as far as I know, One Piece's animation quality has been slipping a bit too. Jesus Christ.

It's not even about being cheap, really. Boo Kai is a product that they never expected to sell well, else it would have been give the same treatment as Kai 1.0. Also, most those "inexperienced animators" for DBS have already worked on One Piece, and many worked on Z back in the day.

I mean the newer ones they got.

[Forte224]

Super's animators are plenty experienced. It's the ridiculous time constraints they have. If you rush an excellent artist, they won't produce a quality product. Much of Z looks kinda bad too. I've been rewatching the series and there's some pretty embarrassing moments, even considering when it was produced

[Scsigs]

Super's animators are plenty experienced. It's the ridiculous time constraints they have. If you rush an excellent artist, they won't produce a quality product. Much of Z looks kinda bad too. I've been rewatching the series and there's some pretty embarrassing moments, even considering when it was produced

Super's animation's been getting a ton better since the 3rd arc & the animators have adapted to the time constraints. The problem is of how widespread the news of episode 5 was very badly animated. The word travelled far & wide & now everyone lambasts Super's animation whether it deserves it or not. Not to mention that a lot of them are clearly wearing nostalgia goggles & think Z's animation was superb all throughout, which it wasn't. I like Z's animation style too, but Super's is of a new generation & up to snuff with a lot of newer shows. Apparently DB is the only anime some watch because if it's compared to any other modern anime, it's pretty on par with a lot of them.

[Forte224]

Super's animators are plenty experienced. It's the ridiculous time constraints they have. If you rush an excellent artist, they won't produce a quality product. Much of Z looks kinda bad too. I've been rewatching the series and there's some pretty embarrassing moments, even considering when it was produced

Super's animation's been getting a ton better since the 3rd arc & the animators have adapted to the time constraints. The problem is of how widespread the news of episode 5 was very badly animated. The word travelled far & wide & now everyone lambasts Super's animation whether it deserves it or not. Not to mention that a lot of them are clearly wearing nostalgia goggles & think Z's animation was superb all throughout, which it wasn't. I like Z's animation style too, but Super's is of a new generation & up to snuff with a lot of newer shows. Apparently DB is the only anime some watch because if it's compared to any other modern anime, it's pretty on par with a lot of them.

I agree, the hate on Super's animation is a really annoying trend, just like people saying TFS is the best dub (ugh). These days it's just the character models that are off on certain episodes, the animation has been pretty consistent (not perfect, but consistent), though some episodes it's off. Granted, I'd still like if DBS was more similar to the pacing of say One Punch Man where it's like a 12-15 episode arc that takes a while to make, but the animation is utterly amazing throughout

[Scsigs]

Super's animators are plenty experienced. It's the ridiculous time constraints they have. If you rush an excellent artist, they won't produce a quality product. Much of Z looks kinda bad too. I've been rewatching the series and there's some pretty embarrassing moments, even considering when it was produced

Super's animation's been getting a ton better since the 3rd arc & the animators have adapted to the time constraints. The problem is of how widespread the news of episode 5 was very badly animated. The word travelled far & wide & now everyone lambasts Super's animation whether it deserves it or not. Not to mention that a lot of them are clearly wearing nostalgia goggles & think Z's animation was superb all throughout, which it wasn't. I like Z's animation style too, but Super's is of a new generation & up to snuff with a lot of newer shows. Apparently DB is the only anime some watch because if it's compared to any other modern anime, it's pretty on par with a lot of them.

I agree, the hate on Super's animation is a really annoying trend, just like people saying TFS is the best dub (ugh). These days it's just the character models that are off on certain episodes, the animation has been pretty consistent (not perfect, but consistent), though some episodes it's off. Granted, I'd still like if DBS was more similar to the pacing of say One Punch Man where it's like a 12-15 episode arc that takes a while to make, but the animation is utterly amazing throughout

I can see that. Unfortunately though, Japan has a while to go before every show becomes seasonal like everywhere else. It's like British shows. They have less episodes, & tighter budgets, than a lot of other country's shows, mainly the US, which is caused by the way their economy works, so they have to make up for it with a hard-hitting story. Hell, we're actually seeing something like that with seasonal anime. As you've brought up, One Punch Man, but Attack on Titan is Japan's Sherlock, but that's due to the manga not getting a good ways ahead until just recently. I actually wish all anime would go seasonal. Not only would that eliminate filler, but give us better quality animation as a result.

[Muffin Man]

Personally, I don't think there would be many complaints about Super's animation if it had started with the Universe 6 tournament but was otherwise identical to how it is now. It was really the first two arcs that had consistently unacceptable levels of shitty animation, which is just another reason why those retellings should never have happened in the first place.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Personally, I don't think there would be many complaints about Super's animation if it had started with the Universe 6 tournament but was otherwise identical to how it is now. It was really the first two arcs that had consistently unacceptable levels of shitty animation, which is just another reason why those retellings should never have happened in the first place.

The tournament arc started out pretty iffy, and the FT Arc had some pretty bad days, so I doubt it.

[OLKv3]

Personally, I don't think there would be many complaints about Super's animation if it had started with the Universe 6 tournament but was otherwise identical to how it is now. It was really the first two arcs that had consistently unacceptable levels of shitty animation, which is just another reason why those retellings should never have happened in the first place.

The RoF arc had some good animation for Goku vs Freeza, once they both transformed at least. Just had some bad art.

[nitwit]

Super's animation's been getting a ton better since the 3rd arc & the animators have adapted to the time constraints. The problem is how widespread the news of episode 5 was very badly animated. The word traveled far & wide & now everyone lambasts Super's animation whether it deserves it or not. Not to mention that a lot of them are clearly wearing nostalgia goggles & think Z's animation was superb all throughout, which it wasn't. I like Z's animation style too, but Super's is of a new generation & up to snuff with a lot of newer shows. Apparently, DB is the only anime some watch because if it's compared to any other modern anime, it's pretty on par with a lot of them.

I agree, the hate on Super's animation is a really annoying trend, just like people saying TFS is the best dub (ugh). These days it's just the character models that are off on certain episodes, the animation has been pretty consistent (not perfect, but consistent), though some episodes it's off. Granted, I'd still like if DBS was more similar to the pacing of saying One Punch Man where it's like a 12-15 episode arc that takes a while to make, but the animation is utterly amazing throughout

I can see that. Unfortunately, though, Japan has a while to go before every show becomes seasonal like everywhere else. It's like British shows. They have fewer episodes, & tighter budgets, than a lot of other country's shows, mainly the US, which is caused by the way their economy works, so they have to make up for it with a hard-hitting story. Hell, we're actually seeing something like that with seasonal anime. As you've brought up, One Punch Man, but Attack on Titan is Japan's Sherlock, but that's due to the manga not getting good ways ahead until just recently. I actually wish all anime would go seasonal. Not only would that eliminate filler, but give us better quality animation as a result.

Now that's horrible! Why would we get rid of fillers in all anime? That's like watching DBZ back in the 80s and the whole anime ends at 50 episodes.

Not saying that we should let Japan become like the west? But even our TV watching can sometimes screw us over here as well.

Hype dies down after a seasonal anime is over and waiting a few years for new content will cause people to not watch their favorite show and will become cancel and will become obscure.

I wish I had the tech and money to make a video about this subject. Not right now sadly.

[SaiyamanMS]

Now that's horrible! Why would we get rid of fillers in all anime? That's like watching DBZ back in the 80s and the whole anime ends at 50 episodes.

Not saying that we should let Japan become like the west? But even our TV watching can sometimes screw us over here as well.

Hype dies down after a seasonal anime is over and waiting a few years for new content will cause people to not watch their favorite show and will become cancel and will become obscure.

Having too much filler is capable of getting a show cancelled too. Just look at Rurouni Kenshin and Bleach.

[nitwit]

Now that's horrible! Why would we get rid of fillers in all anime? That's like watching DBZ back in the 80s and the whole anime ends at 50 episodes.

Not saying that we should let Japan become like the west? But even our TV watching can sometimes screw us over here as well.

Hype dies down after a seasonal anime is over and waiting a few years for new content will cause people to not watch their favorite show and will become cancel and will become obscure.

Having too much filler is capable of getting a show canceled too. Just look at Rurouni Kenshin and Bleach.

Don't forget about Naruto.

[ShadowBardock89]

Now that's horrible! Why would we get rid of fillers in all anime? That's like watching DBZ back in the 80s and the whole anime ends at 50 episodes.

Not saying that we should let Japan become like the west? But even our TV watching can sometimes screw us over here as well.

Hype dies down after a seasonal anime is over and waiting a few years for new content will cause people to not watch their favorite show and will become cancel and will become obscure.

Having too much filler is capable of getting a show canceled too. Just look at Rurouni Kenshin and Bleach.

Don't forget about Naruto.

Shippuden is still going, though, and the current arc and the next one are based on the novels that Kishimoto helped illustrate.
But, yeah, this filler is just to get to Boruto.

[NitroEX]

It's a shame they didn't recast Gohan. I still find Kyle Herbert too deep in that preview clip but I guess Funimation want to get the nostalgic audience since they're the ones watching Toonami.

[Ajay]

Shame they didn't recast Gohan. I still find Kyle Herbert too deep in that preview clip but I guess Funimation want to get the nostalgic audience since they're the ones watching Toonami.

Yeah, I felt the same way. Gohan's voice has always been so weird for me to get used to in English. It's like the reverse of what many dub fans feel when they check out Nozawa -- it sounds too high. For me, it's so bizarre and deep. It feels really alien for that character.

I would have loved a recast, but I feel like it's an unfortunate holdover from their early days that's not likely to change. I'm sure I'll get used to it as long as the script remains solid, though.

[sangofe]

Shame they didn't recast Gohan. I still find Kyle Herbert too deep in that preview clip but I guess Funimation want to get the nostalgic audience since they're the ones watching Toonami.

Yeah, I felt the same way. Gohan's voice has always been so weird for me to get used to in English. It's like the reverse of what many dub fans feel when they check out Nozawa -- it sounds too high. For me, it's so bizarre and deep. It feels really alien for that character.

I would have loved a recast, but I feel like it's an unfortunate holdover from their early days that's not likely to change. I'm sure I'll get used to it as long as the script remains solid, though.

Indeed. It's even lower than Goku's voice.

[90sDBZ]

I've always liked Hebert as Gohan personally. He makes him sound like a well mannered and somewhat shy young man with a quiet confidence that comes out in certain scenes. As for him sounding deeper than Goku I feel like it makes sense, because it just makes him sound like a more mature and grounded character, which he is. To be honest I always felt like having Nozawa voice them both was lazy casting even if there is a notable difference in delivery.

[Scsigs]

It's a shame they didn't recast Gohan. I still find Kyle Herbert too deep in that preview clip but I guess Funimation want to get the nostalgic audience since they're the ones watching Toonami.

Why would you think they'd recast Hebert as Gohan? This isn't like Bulma's original actress, where he's not doing anime dubs anymore. He's still readily doing anime dubs & they brought him back for both Battle of Gods & Resurrection F & he voiced Ox King in the first part of Kai. He's an integral part of the cast as much as Sabat, or Schemmel. To dub the shows & movies without him would be just a bad decision, especially since they didn't get Nadolny back for whatever reason. He's a staple of the dub cast & I don't see them recasting older Gohan anytime soon unless something drastic happens to him.

[8000 Saiyan]

Eh, I don't mind Hebert as Gohan. Yes, he sounds older, but there are many people in real life that sound older than their age.