Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:16 am

Innagadadavida wrote:
Bussani wrote:Why doesn't it make sense? Human and Saiyajin work well together for some reason. Maybe human blood has something that Saiyajin blood was lacking and/or vice versa. Being 1/4 may screw with the ratio I suppose, but oh well.
That's it! There's just no explanation for it. It's always just "some reason." Most phenomena in the Dragon Ball universe have at least an attempt at some vague logic, but the "half-breed boost" is never explained. It just is.

Can you get much deeper than "they work well together"? Wouldn't any explanation deeper than that just be fictional biology?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:29 am

It all comes down to fan service, after all Pan is Son Gohan’s daughter and Kakarrot’s granddaughter so naturally she has to achieve the impossible. I am switching my vote to DB:AF, seeing a Super Saiyan 4 Son Gohan is a lot more bearable than what has been going on lately. At least we know Toyble is pulling stuff out of his ass.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:51 am

Really, the only thing that says that Pan can`t go Super Sayan is the Daizenshuu (which is just a guide anyway).

GT implies that she could because of Goku Jr. who did it and had a much more diluted sayan blood (besides that movie nothing says that she could or that she couldn`t, I think).

If they are just stiking to the manga/anime and movies, I really don`t see the problem

Not to mention that she`s Pan from another universe. A universe where as far as we know, the rules can be different from the universe we know.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:53 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I am switching my vote to DB:AF, seeing a Super Saiyan 4 Son Gohan is a lot more bearable than what has been going on lately. At least we know Toyble is pulling stuff out of his ass.

Oh god I love this forum, I truly do. I've been up all night working on two commissions and every now and then I take a break to read a few comments.

Can't help but wonder if I want to continue ahead with my fancomic. My roughs sketches and script is just sitting on my desk collecting dust. And thanks to work and my wanting of "money" I probably won't start it anytime soon. When I read comments like these I do work on it little by little when I have few time. I'm a vain person, I need to know what people will think. I'm actually hoping people will be brutal when I do finish it. I can only thrive on criticism strangely enough. I got the feeling it won't be a problem here.

TrunksTrevelyan0064 · Post by **TrunksTrevelyan0064** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:31 am

I think times like this call for one of Julian's quotes: "But really... it's a comic book. I should really just relax."

Admittedly, I did go "Whoa wait, what?" when I saw this new page, but then I'm like, eh, it doesn't really matter. Pan going SSJ is an awkward twist, but it's not like it'll make her win this fight.

I'm just looking forward to the next fight, wondering who'll fight then.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:47 pm

Bussani wrote:Can you get much deeper than "they work well together"? Wouldn't any explanation deeper than that just be fictional biology?

Yeah, but how does Human blood and Saiyan blood work together to create something stronger? By the time the Saiyans are introduced, an average human, such as Chi-Chi or Bulma, is about as the equivalent of a house fly as far as overall strength. How does their blood react with Saiyan blood to produce a child who's able to go from being weaker than Freeza at one point then emerge a year later stronger than anybody in the known universe?

1 + 2 ≠ 10

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:19 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Bussani wrote:Can you get much deeper than "they work well together"? Wouldn't any explanation deeper than that just be fictional biology?
Yeah, but how does Human blood and Saiyan blood work together to create something stronger? By the time the Saiyans are introduced, an average human, such as Chi-Chi or Bulma, is about as the equivalent of a house fly as far as overall strength. How does their blood react with Saiyan blood to produce a child who's able to go from being weaker than Freeza at one point then emerge a year later stronger than anybody in the known universe?

1 + 2 ≠ 10

I don't think it's as simple as "two strong species equals a stronger species." That's why I had to say 'something', because it's probably something subtle or not very obvious. Saiyajin may be strong, but humans have good qualities too. Up until a certain point in the series, it's amazing just how humans can develop and push beyond their limits. It may not be the same as a Saiyajin, but I think humans have a great potential for growth. In 1 year they raised their strength enough to give Vegeta and Nappa a shock, after all.

Maybe mixing in Saiyajin blood compliments that -- brings the hidden human potential for growth to the surface. Basically takes the best aspects of human and Saiyajin and puts them together.

Anyway, I guess the way I see it is that what human blood brings to the mix isn't raw strength, but something more subtle. Maybe it's something as simple as the human heart. Whatever the case, I like the idea that mixing the two creates something better than either alone.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:00 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:I agree. I miss the Chi-Chi avatars. Need a suggestion, Rocketman?

I'm not on my computer, is why.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:52 am

Bussani wrote:I don't think it's as simple as "two strong species equals a stronger species." That's why I had to say 'something', because it's probably something subtle or not very obvious. Saiyajin may be strong, but humans have good qualities too. Up until a certain point in the series, it's amazing just how humans can develop and push beyond their limits. It may not be the same as a Saiyajin, but I think humans have a great potential for growth. In 1 year they raised their strength enough to give Vegeta and Nappa a shock, after all.

Maybe mixing in Saiyajin blood compliments that -- brings the hidden human potential for growth to the surface. Basically takes the best aspects of human and Saiyajin and puts them together.

Anyway, I guess the way I see it is that what human blood brings to the mix isn't raw strength, but something more subtle. Maybe it's something as simple as the human heart. Whatever the case, I like the idea that mixing the two creates something better than either alone.

Hmmm... Y'know that's really good way of putting it. I hadn't thought about it like that. But do all humans really have that same ability? I mean, though out the series we only see a few humans just train to the point of using Ki. Look at some of the other fighters we see, Choppa (the afro guy from Dragon Ball, I don't know his original name if it's different), Mr. Satan, Nam, General Blue, ext. I mean, those are just a few examples of the humans that trained practically all their lives and never became as strong as Yamcha, Krillin, or Tenshinhan.

I guess one could argue that the knowledge of harnessing and controlling Ki is lost among the humans. That may explain why everybody knows and fears Master Roshi, Tsuru Senin, and Tao Pai Pai because they're the only ones who still know and practice the art.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:30 am

Innagadadavida wrote:
Bussani wrote:I don't think it's as simple as "two strong species equals a stronger species." That's why I had to say 'something', because it's probably something subtle or not very obvious. Saiyajin may be strong, but humans have good qualities too. Up until a certain point in the series, it's amazing just how humans can develop and push beyond their limits. It may not be the same as a Saiyajin, but I think humans have a great potential for growth. In 1 year they raised their strength enough to give Vegeta and Nappa a shock, after all.

Maybe mixing in Saiyajin blood compliments that -- brings the hidden human potential for growth to the surface. Basically takes the best aspects of human and Saiyajin and puts them together.

Anyway, I guess the way I see it is that what human blood brings to the mix isn't raw strength, but something more subtle. Maybe it's something as simple as the human heart. Whatever the case, I like the idea that mixing the two creates something better than either alone.
Hmmm... Y'know that's really good way of putting it. I hadn't thought about it like that. But do all humans really have that same ability? I mean, though out the series we only see a few humans just train to the point of using Ki. Look at some of the other fighters we see, Choppa (the afro guy from Dragon Ball, I don't know his original name if it's different), Mr. Satan, Nam, General Blue, ext. I mean, those are just a few examples of the humans that trained practically all their lives and never became as strong as Yamcha, Krillin, or Tenshinhan.

I guess one could argue that the knowledge of harnessing and controlling Ki is lost among the humans. That may explain why everybody knows and fears Master Roshi, Tsuru Senin, and Tao Pai Pai because they're the only ones who still know and practice the art.

I would say it's lost, or not very well known about. At least not to the extremes that the main characters use it. I think the potential is there in humans, but only a few really use it and go beyond their limits like the main characters do. It could be that mixed with the Saiyajin ability to grow so quickly that creates such a powerful hybrid.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:00 pm

Seems Pan-18 cannot transform into Super Saiyan herself...

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:05 pm

I'm starting to get confused with this multi universe thing

Pan 18 is the regular Pan we know right? Who's Pan 16?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:11 pm

Rod wrote:I'm starting to get confused with this multi universe thing Pan 18 is the regular Pan we know right? Who's Pan 16?

Pan-18 (Pan of the main universe, the vision Salagir has of 'ten years after the end of the Manga') is Pan of Universe/Space 18.

Pan-16 is the Pan of the universe in which Vegetto never split apart.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:17 pm

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-128.html

Look at that! I totally called it.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:13 pm

If she turns Super Saiyan 2 I am officially done with this manga until the Broli versus Vegetto fight. This is getting ridiculous Bojack has to actually put forth some effort against a Super Saiyan Pan of all things.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:19 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:If she turns Super Saiyan 2

That is one loooooong shot there, buddy.

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I am officially done with this manga until the Broli versus Vegetto fight. This is getting ridiculous Bojack has to actually put forth some effort against a Super Saiyan Pan of all things.

It's also ridiculous that Super Vegetto has to actually put forth some effort against Broli of all things.

Y'know, when SSJ Goku can fuck him up.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:21 pm

I think 16-Pan going Super is actually going to serve for some character development in 18-Pan. Maybe we'll get some more interaction and socializations with our main group! That'll be cool!

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:38 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:If she turns Super Saiyan 2 I am officially done with this manga until the Broli versus Vegetto fight. This is getting ridiculous Bojack has to actually put forth some effort against a Super Saiyan Pan of all things.

One trained by Vegetto and Gohan? Sure, why not.

I mean sheesh, it's been two pages. It's not like he's sweating it out or anything.

@Inna: Yes. Double yes.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:26 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:If she turns Super Saiyan 2 I am officially done with this manga until the Broli versus Vegetto fight. This is getting ridiculous Bojack has to actually put forth some effort against a Super Saiyan Pan of all things.
One trained by Vegetto and Gohan? Sure, why not.

I mean sheesh, it's been two pages. It's not like he's sweating it out or anything.

@Inna: Yes. Double yes.

Seriously, I think anyone who recieves training from Mystic Gohan and fucking VEGETTO would be able to get some godly power.

And I find it amazing, Saiyan Professor, how Pan being Super Saiyan is ridiculous to you, yet Broly actually putting up a good fight with Vegetto even though Goku pretty much killed him in one punch isn't.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:32 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:And I find it amazing, Saiyan Professor, how Pan being Super Saiyan is ridiculous to you, yet Broly actually putting up a good fight with Vegetto even though Goku pretty much killed him in one punch isn't.

Seconded.