Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Wait, in the panel on top right, Vegeta was there right next to U16 Bra. In that vision, did Vegetto actually de-fused?

There's another Vegeta in the tournament, remember?

Could be either way.

[Marco Polo]

Well, I guess I'll say it. Oh, look, Vegetto is having a Vegeta moment lol

Also, here's hoping Yamcha is talking to Boo. In the exact second before Boo blinks him out of existence lol

Yamcha could also be talking to Ginyu or XXI. There is a possibility that he is immune to their tricks due to being an android (maybe his soul is in the Afterlife so Ginyu can't take over his body? and maybe whatever XXI does doesn't work on androids).

[DNA]

Wait, in the panel on top right, Vegeta was there right next to U16 Bra. In that vision, did Vegetto actually de-fused?

There's another Vegeta in the tournament, remember?

Could be either way.

Why would that make sense?

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

There's another Vegeta in the tournament, remember?

Could be either way.

Why would that make sense?

Because Vegetto could be de-fused?

[Storm101]

Minor detail but Piccolo having his cap off but cape still on seems weird to me.

[DNA]

Minor detail but Piccolo having his cap off but cape still on seems weird to me.

He's done it before. Granted it was in GT, but he's done it before.

[TheGmGoken]

Because I'm a Vegito fan, I had to do this video. Remember, Salagar said that he considers DBM more canon then DBGT :p. Also if this is going where I think its going, I will make another video.

I know WHERE I can get my proof that Salgair said DBM is more canon than DBGT. Vegito1080 has been saying that more than me. Message him on youtube or ask in the comments section of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwx1ylm6S0U

Update on DBM debate:

Theres 732 pages worth of comment boards to look for on DBM, I'm looking for it myself as well. Interesting note, Salagar knows about the Socoot incident as he briefly mentioned it (forgot the page but I copy and pasted it on my notepad) so I wonder if he actually watches my videos.

. Just curious. Y'all think it's possible that Salagir can delete his comments. What's sad part is. According to Veigto1080 he WASN'T joking. As Salagir hates DBGT(As stated many times) so his thinks DBM takes DBGT's place.

He also said this about Vegito's reaction -

Whats funny is that Vegito beat Wanked Powered Broly the exact same way. Out of the ring for 30 seconds on both ends. xD Vegito knows he lost fair and square otherwise he wouldnt use that tactic on Broly. Now the rules are stupid because someone did the same thing to him.

[omegalucas]

Yamcha could also be talking to Ginyu or XXI. There is a possibility that he is immune to their tricks due to being an android (maybe his soul is in the Afterlife so Ginyu can't take over his body? and maybe whatever XXI does doesn't work on androids).

I thought that as well. There's still the "regular" #17 and #18 who are also androids though so I don't know... (and Yamcha gave up his match with #18 so that fight isn't for the tournament).

[Tzigi]

I know WHERE I can get my proof that Salgair said DBM is more canon than DBGT. Vegito1080 has been saying that more than me. Message him on youtube or ask in the comments section of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwx1ylm6S0U

Update on DBM debate:

Theres 732 pages worth of comment boards to look for on DBM, I'm looking for it myself as well. Interesting note, Salagar knows about the Socoot incident as he briefly mentioned it (forgot the page but I copy and pasted it on my notepad) so I wonder if he actually watches my videos.

. Just curious. (...) According to Veigto1080 he WASN'T joking. As Salagir hates DBGT(As stated many times) so his thinks DBM takes DBGT's place.

In what way is a statement by a different person a confirmation that Salagir has ever said something?

I don't like unsourced claims - especially done in such a denigrating tone - so I did a research for you. I'm a DBM translator (to Polish) and moderator so I have access to nice tools that let me search the comments. Sadly it's unavailable to the general public, so you can check them only via RSS but I'll provide all the links to relevant comments by Salagir here.

Spoiler:

What is canon for Salagir?
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I'm sorry but that information you give is wrong IMHO. I don't care where you read it, but I know it's not from the manga and so, not canon.

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(I don't think as a Tori interview as canon ^^)

90
> Jorge : If a Toriyama interview isn't canon, then what the hell is?
His manga. Toriyama is a little careless and it seems to me most of his errors are prevented by his faithful assistants, or simply the fact he double check when doing the manga.
In an interview, he says things he doesn't remember and thanks a lot Toeï for destroying his universe And asks who the hell is Kamesennin. Not a good source

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What is this nonsense discussion about canon ?
Time to end it, and clearly:
Is Dragon Ball Canon, anything that appear in the manga. Is NOT Dragon Ball Canon, anything that is NOT in the manga.
"The manga", is 42 volumes of comics drawn by Toriyama from 1984 to ~1995(4?). That is not anime comics, that is not the manga adaptation of Tarble's OAV, that is not DBAF, DBM, or Nekomajin.

* Things that are in videos games and not in the manga are not canon.
* Fillers in the anime and DBGT are not canon.
* Broly, Bojack, and any other things designed by Toriyama are not canon.
* Things told by Toriyama in interviews ARE NOT canon.

Now, for DB Online, for some films, you can tell it's Tory-approved if you want.
Just remember Tory approved a informations on artbooks he didn't read, as they contain contradictions... so good luck for continuity.

You can say things are canon-compatible (Bojack, some fillers, some scenes and extra info in some video games), but some are not (most of DBGT scenario -beginning by a giant contradiction, most of the films, DBE, goku-vegeta slashes fanfics ;p). None of them are canon, but like I do in DBM, you can pick what you feel compatible and use it.
We can't use the same system as Star Trek and Star Wars franchises, as the coherency of these are maintained by serious people (yeah even Lucas is serious... I think). This can't work with DB, because Toriyama actually says yes to everything.
(...)
About Bardock: the existence and design of Bardock is canon. The fact he seems to have fought Freeza surrounded by his army in deep space (sigh), and was killed by Freeza himself, is canon. His visions of the future, his team and what happened in the film, isn't. Still, it's highly canon compatible.
Vegeta's father is not canon, still we all agree that if we draw his father, he would look like Vegeta with a goatee. No one in his right mind would draw the king of Saiyans differently. But he isn't canon.

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I don't want to enter into the Dragon clan / Ryūzoku debate about how it's supposed to be a class or a healer against fighter thing. I don't care if it's canon by anime, dictionary or DBE. In the manga, "Dragon Clan", used by the namek elder also, just means "damn powerful".

DBM Canon
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So in the non-canon and DBM-compatible universe, I consider Coola's transformation to be the "SSJ" of this family.

139
> Canon
As far as I'm writing DBM, I hope I didn't break much canon. By this I mean that as this happens after DB, Pan SSJ does not break DB canon. Gohan going SSJ would, and Bulma going SSJ would also.
Things in DBM that contradict canon :
- Broly, Coola and some other villains existed in U18 past
- Goku SSJ3-Gohan's debate : I don't know if it contradicts, I don't think so. Don't answer that.
- South Kaioshin power level (and maybe I'll change that)
- What else ? © Clooney

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This comment will describe "Broly the Legendary Saiyanjin"'s powers, as they are in DBM. This is NOT canon, this is NOT official, NOT based on Toei or anything.

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You can say it's DBM-canon, and the scenario comes from me and Syl.

189
I talk about it in detail in my French fanfic Hanasia, 1000 years in the past. The "Cold Demons" already have a huge empire and are 5. I don't think I'll need to tell about these details in DBM, but Hanasia is DBM-canon.

Everyone is entitled to his opinion, as it wasn't manga-canoned ;p Choose your vision of Freeza's origins!

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> Master Camori : Train for SSJ2 you say? I could understand SSJ3 maybe but SSJ2 both Vegeta and Goku knew it.
Vegetto didn't train to get SSJ2 (DBM Canon)

> mikisan : is Goku able to use Kaioken in ssj3?
Kaiohken has no effect on SSJs (DBM Canon)
I also believe it to be true for DBZ, or Gokû would use x20 kaioken all the time with SSJ and would be more, more powerful than the others.

My comment: mind you, Salagir said "I believe" - not "I know".

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LSSJ2 doesn't exist (DBM Canon)

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Is totally not canon, but I accepted that in DBM canon

270
> Kaioshin is more of a title than a name
Yes, but I decided that in DBM canon, it was a title + a species. All Kaioshins look the same, all Kaios looks the same too.

278
> Hidden potential and whatnot
In DBM canon opinion:
- Guru (chief Namek) unlocks current potential of a person, as this person grow older it can have more potential. Kulilin could evolve after this upgrade.
- Drinking the real Holy Water in Karin's tower: same as Guru but less painful.
- Babidi "M" makes you stronger, maybe related to some potential.
- Old Kaioshin release your full potential and makes you even stronger, delete any inconvenience in the process (like SSJ and anger)
(...)
DBM Canon: For Kibito(shin) teleportation, you also need to "detect", but a place instead of a person.

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This explanation is DBM canon, but nothing supports it (nor contradict it) in any good DB source.

432
Yes, you've heard it, Kakarotto and Raditz survival (and Vegeta and Nappa) are all planed by the tyrant, and not a lucky coincidence.
Note that in DB, it's officially told that it was the case for Vegeta.
For the two brothers, it's DBM canon, and totally invented by us.

433
> What universe?
So far, the universes didn't split. What you read here is DBM canon for most of the tournament universes.

441
In DBM-canon, it's the power only one Kanassian guy has, one particular guy, who summons Baddack to him.

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I’ve invented a reason, and this will be DBM-canon. (...) Of course I’m only interpreting a few sentences, but I decided this to be official in DBM

So Salagir states plainly that DBM has its own canon and it does not supersede any existing canon anywhere else than in his story. Not a single word about DBM being "more canon than DBGT" other than DBM (and DB manga and selected parts of the anime) being canon to itself.

Y'all think it's possible that Salagir can delete his comments. What's sad part is.

Sure he can - as any person with moderator powers - but we also can access the deleted comments. But in this one instance you have to believe me instead of seeing with your own eyes - I've just checked all the different deleted comments that were published under the nick Salagir (mostly impersonators and some tests by Salagir to see if the comment system is working correctly) and there's not a single one that would state those kinds of info that you're posting.

[hulkty]

Oh my God! Vegito! Get the f*** out of the ring already! You lost, now get over it! Go SSj3 and be cool again. You're such a stupid baby in this fan manga it's ridiculous...
I can't believe they're gonna make a "hero" beat up/kill friends and family JUST because he didn't get his way one f***ing time. SO STUPID!

[DNA]

Oh my God! Vegito! Get the f*** out of the ring already! You lost, now get over it! Go SSj3 and be cool again. You're such a stupid baby in this fan manga it's ridiculous...
I can't believe they're gonna make a "hero" beat up/kill friends and family JUST because he didn't get his way one f***ing time. SO STUPID! :x

Nobody said he's going to kill anyone or be the villain. Everyone keeps throwing that around like it's a fact, it's nothing but speculation. All we can do is wait and see.
A decent writer would tease it as such and then throw a curved ball... That can actually be seen coming miles away because that's a cliché nowadays. Although I wouldn't class Salagir as even "decent", so that's up for speculation again.

[Godo]

I believe that it is the Vegeta inside of Vegetto speaking.
Thinking about it, the Vegeta inside Vegetto is still the Vegeta pre- "you are number one Goku" speech. So we can assume that he is less calmer and also less understanding than the Vegeta in the main timeline.
Also remember how Vegetto acted against Gohan Buu, that was very much non-Goku like.
I'd say that Vegetto is pretty much a toned-down Vegeta (due to the influence of Goku) and that's pretty much how I have seen him before.
So Vegetto having a tantrum isn't a problem for me.

After all, being one of the strongest beings in the Universe, not having an equal or interesting fight in an awful lot of time, and almost dying against Broly, he probably feels stumped because of missing the opportunity of a challenging fight.
It's not much him being childlike rather than him being double the amount of Saiya-jin and their craving for fighting.

At least that is how I see it and why it doesn't bother me that much.

[miguelnuva1]

Vegito to me is acting in character. He knows needs to teach Bulla and is doing so because Goku and Vegeta are good parents but at the same time Vegito has never lost before and is a god in his universe and he did lose in an unfair way. XXI didn't throw one punch, kick or Ki attack and he beats Vegito.

We know Vegeta has a problem with losing, Goku is shown time and time again to have near the same amount of saiyan pride Vegeta has. Vegito seems really in character to me and relate able.

[jjgp1112]

Yeah, I don't really find this OOC. Vegetto seems to mostly be Vegeta personality-wise, and as was pointed out, Vegeta was still pretty resentful of Goku when they fused, and considering the fact that he's a full-blooded Saiyan, it's certainly reasonable that he'd throw a tantrum due to being cheated out of winnable fights thanks to such a cheap-ass technique. He doesn't exactly have the most rational pair of Saiyans fueling him.

[Saimaroimaru]

Question is, will Zen Buu be nice enough to let them out...?

I say yes. After defeating Vegetto his power will he completely unrivaled throughout the multiverse, so he may as well just let them out. He's been shown to be a pretty polite guy so far.

Maybe Zen Buu's plan is to absorb Vegetto seeing as he is one of the few out there with enough power to boost up Zen Buu's. Everyone else would give him their knowledge and techs. Maybe he wants the power to travel to other time lines and will try to use the dragon balls to do that but till then will snack on what is at the tournament.

[Puto]

Wouldn't absorbing Vegetto just defuse him like in canon?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Wouldn't absorbing Vegetto just defuse him like in canon?

Yes, that's the point. Goku's likely going to tell Zen Buu to absorb him and spit Goku and Vegeta out. That's if Vegetto goes berserk though.

[TheGmGoken]

Wouldn't absorbing Vegetto just defuse him like in canon?

Yes, that's the point. Goku's likely going to tell Zen Buu to absorb him and spit Goku and Vegeta out. That's if Vegetto goes berserk though.

Then who's Bra's father o_O. In a way they both...had sex with Bulma. But that'll be nice to be honest if Vegetto split. But I hope the power of Vegetto is split evenly between Goku and Vegeta. Since Vegetto trained they won't be Boo Arc power. But I honestly don't think they(Goku and Vegeta) will be above Bulla and half of the other fighters. They going to need a plot hax or Gogeta(and just say they're Vegetto) to even stand a chance.

[DNA]

Then who's Bra's father o_O. In a way they both...had sex with Bulma. But that'll be nice to be honest if Vegetto split. But I hope the power of Vegetto is split evenly between Goku and Vegeta. Since Vegetto trained they won't be Boo Arc power. But I honestly don't think they(Goku and Vegeta) will be above Bulla and half of the other fighters. They going to need a plot hax or Gogeta(and just say they're Vegetto) to even stand a chance.

How do you go from Bra to Bulla in the same paragraph? Bulla is a stupid fucking name anyway.

On topic: ... I got nothing. Multiverse is stupid.

[TheGmGoken]

Then who's Bra's father o_O. In a way they both...had sex with Bulma. But that'll be nice to be honest if Vegetto split. But I hope the power of Vegetto is split evenly between Goku and Vegeta. Since Vegetto trained they won't be Boo Arc power. But I honestly don't think they(Goku and Vegeta) will be above Bulla and half of the other fighters. They going to need a plot hax or Gogeta(and just say they're Vegetto) to even stand a chance.

How do you go from Bra to Bulla in the same paragraph? Bulla is a stupid fucking name anyway.

On topic: ... I got nothing. Multiverse is stupid.

IT DOESN'T"T MATTER WHAT NAME I USE!

On topic: I agree at times DBM makes DBGT seem like anime of the year. At other points DBM is awesome at others it's very...what's the word? Well let's just be blunt and say stupid and filled with Plot Hax. Thank god the whole Salgir thanks DBM is more canon than DBGT was nothing more than a mis-understanding of what he said. Or I'll email him a very...very nasty letter .