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Pretty sure those are just promo panels. They may be incorporated into his manga later, though.TAF108 wrote: We should be close the survival arc, shouldn't we? During the promo for the anime's version (Or I suppose, the arc in general) we saw images of it in manga form, presumably drawn by Toyotaro.
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I always thought this meant he'd speed through the Mirai Trunks/Goku Black arc. But it seems as though he's taking his time.
I just realized their may be a hint at how the arc ends in the picture I posted. Unless of course, Toyo was literally drawing the anime version of events.
Yeah, I'm figuring now that is the most likely option. (Originally I just believed he was going to rush through the Mirai Trunks arc, but that doesn't seem to be the case.)Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Pretty sure those are just promo panels. They may be incorporated into his manga later, though.TAF108 wrote: We should be close the survival arc, shouldn't we? During the promo for the anime's version (Or I suppose, the arc in general) we saw images of it in manga form, presumably drawn by Toyotaro.
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I always thought this meant he'd speed through the Mirai Trunks/Goku Black arc. But it seems as though he's taking his time.
I just realized their may be a hint at how the arc ends in the picture I posted. Unless of course, Toyo was literally drawing the anime version of events.
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Those images are certainly from Toyotaro's manga. You can see the entire promo here.TAF108 wrote:Yeah, I'm figuring now that is the most likely option. (Originally I just believed he was going to rush through the Mirai Trunks arc, but that doesn't seem to be the case.)Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Pretty sure those are just promo panels. They may be incorporated into his manga later, though.TAF108 wrote: We should be close the survival arc, shouldn't we? During the promo for the anime's version (Or I suppose, the arc in general) we saw images of it in manga form, presumably drawn by Toyotaro.
I always thought this meant he'd speed through the Mirai Trunks/Goku Black arc. But it seems as though he's taking his time.
I just realized their may be a hint at how the arc ends in the picture I posted. Unless of course, Toyo was literally drawing the anime version of events.
Or, you know, it's just showing what would happen if a universe were to fail.micah007 wrote:One of those promo images does show what appears to be large celestial damage. Maybe the universe will be destroyed in the manga.
That's what I was thinking at first. But I also really hope the manga doesn't have the second Zen-Oh.batistabus wrote:Those images are certainly from Toyotaro's manga. You can see the entire promo here.TAF108 wrote:Yeah, I'm figuring now that is the most likely option. (Originally I just believed he was going to rush through the Mirai Trunks arc, but that doesn't seem to be the case.)Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Pretty sure those are just promo panels. They may be incorporated into his manga later, though.
In all likely hood, Toyotaro has long since moved on from the Future Trunks arc and is well into drawing the Universe Survival Arc. I believe the hall with all of the gods lined up is the manga equivalent of this scene, which may or may not be followed by exhibition matches.
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You should drop that hope right now, there is 0℅ chance of zeno 2 not appearing in the mangaTAF108 wrote:That's what I was thinking at first. But I also really hope the manga doesn't have the second Zen-Oh.batistabus wrote:Those images are certainly from Toyotaro's manga. You can see the entire promo here.TAF108 wrote: Yeah, I'm figuring now that is the most likely option. (Originally I just believed he was going to rush through the Mirai Trunks arc, but that doesn't seem to be the case.)
In all likely hood, Toyotaro has long since moved on from the Future Trunks arc and is well into drawing the Universe Survival Arc. I believe the hall with all of the gods lined up is the manga equivalent of this scene, which may or may not be followed by exhibition matches.
I dunno. I'm a pretty hopeful guy. If he does show up, I just hope he doesn't destroy Trunks' universe. (There's no real reason to, Zamasu & Black haven't kill all the Kaioshin yet, right?)Ki Breaker wrote:You should drop that hope right now, there is 0℅ chance of zeno 2 not appearing in the mangaTAF108 wrote:That's what I was thinking at first. But I also really hope the manga doesn't have the second Zen-Oh.batistabus wrote: Those images are certainly from Toyotaro's manga. You can see the entire promo here.
In all likely hood, Toyotaro has long since moved on from the Future Trunks arc and is well into drawing the Universe Survival Arc. I believe the hall with all of the gods lined up is the manga equivalent of this scene, which may or may not be followed by exhibition matches.
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It has been stated twice that Goku Black killed all the Kaioshins. Goku even made fun of Black saying that he killed the rest of the gods, since he didn't face the Hakaishins.TAF108 wrote:I dunno. I'm a pretty hopeful guy. If he does show up, I just hope he doesn't destroy Trunks' universe. (There's no real reason to, Zamasu & Black haven't kill all the Kaioshin yet, right?)Ki Breaker wrote:You should drop that hope right now, there is 0℅ chance of zeno 2 not appearing in the mangaTAF108 wrote:
That's what I was thinking at first. But I also really hope the manga doesn't have the second Zen-Oh.
FT Zeno will appear. A second version of the most OP character it's a big thing Toei wouldn't have done without Toriyama's approval.TAF108 wrote:I dunno. I'm a pretty hopeful guy. If he does show up, I just hope he doesn't destroy Trunks' universe. (There's no real reason to, Zamasu & Black haven't kill all the Kaioshin yet, right?)Ki Breaker wrote: You should drop that hope right now, there is 0℅ chance of zeno 2 not appearing in the manga
Now that I think about it, I do recall Goku saying Black's not all that strong despite his hyping of himself.MisteryOne wrote:The ending of the FT arc in the manga is the only Super thing that I'm interested in right now, so it better delivers...I really want Trunks to kill Black. If Merged Zamasu defused trough, I don't see why they would call Zeno.It has been stated twice that Goku Black killed all the Kaioshins. Goku even made fun of Black saying that he killed the rest of the gods, since he didn't face the Hakaishins.TAF108 wrote:I dunno. I'm a pretty hopeful guy. If he does show up, I just hope he doesn't destroy Trunks' universe. (There's no real reason to, Zamasu & Black haven't kill all the Kaioshin yet, right?)Ki Breaker wrote: You should drop that hope right now, there is 0℅ chance of zeno 2 not appearing in the manga
★ ~ƬΉΣ ӨПΣ ЩΉӨ ЩIᄂᄂ ΣПDЦЯΣ~ ★Well it's big in the fact that we get two Zen-Oh's out of it. It was real somber ending for Mirai Trunks, and for no real reason either. That ending was definitely not how I wanted the first arc of Super I enjoyed to end. But if I must deal with it twice, so be it.FortuneSSJ wrote:FT Zeno will appear. A second version of the most OP character it's a big thing Toei wouldn't have done without Toriyama's approval.TAF108 wrote:I dunno. I'm a pretty hopeful guy. If he does show up, I just hope he doesn't destroy Trunks' universe. (There's no real reason to, Zamasu & Black haven't kill all the Kaioshin yet, right?)Ki Breaker wrote: You should drop that hope right now, there is 0℅ chance of zeno 2 not appearing in the manga
Goku already has the button and there are two Zenos in the manga promotion for Universe Survival arc.
FT Trunks lose his timeline is also a big thing to the plot, so it must come from Toriyama too.
Black/Zamasu already killed every Kaioshin and also every human from that timeline, except FT Trunks and Mai. It's leading to that.
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I'm not saying that Vegeta wasn't holding back, he definitely did. But why go SSB when you are going to use 0.000001% of your power?TAF108 wrote:I was just referencing Toyo's past to point out that perhaps in his mind, they can suppress themselves by a large amount. Vegeta transformed out of reflex, or habit, however you want to describe it. He went Blue (perhaps because it's the form he's currently most comfortable with?) to get a temporary upper hand over Goku. It could easily be that Vegeta just transformed for the superior speed, then dialed back his ki blast to not kill Goku. I mean, he was much stronger than SSJ Black when they first fought, and he managed not to kill him. I don't think ki blasts are harder to restrict. Keep in mind that in universe SSJB > SSJG in transformation order. So, even then base Goku should be at minimum two transformations from Blue. So rather than state it's on some other odd in between form, I'll bank on Vegeta just not going all out.
Keep in mind that the manga assumes we have seen the movies Battle of Gods & Resurrection "F", or the BoG arc wouldn't have been so rushed & the FnF arc wouldn't have been skipped and retold through narrator boxes. In the movies, Goku & Vegeta use the power of SSG in their base forms. Then in the Universe 6 & Future Trunks arcs of the manga, Goku & Vegeta don't use the power of SSG in their base forms, since they've learned how to use the SSG form itself, which is slightly stronger. That's why Goku & Vegeta don't use the SSG power in their base forms anymore, unlike Black who can't go SSG.And how are we supposed to get that impression? This kind of relies on the whole "SSJG" in base thing, which I don't see as the case in the manga. It's a hard point for me to respond to with anything other than..where's the evidence that Black has this? Black has a powered-up base/SSJ state, but Goku & Vegeta don't? Yet then you say Goku & Vegeta do indeed have bases with SSJG power. Well, where are they? Why not use them to fight Black?
But going by your interpretation of these events, SSB Vegeta is thousands of times stronger than not just SSB Goku, but Beerus & Whis as well, even though he was stated to have trained his body to its limits before his last training inside the RoSaT, meaning that it should be impossible for him to get such an increase through training, especially when he went alone for just 1 year, yet he didn't get such an increase when he went inside with Goku for 3 years...That's the implication. Vegeta was shown to be several transformations weaker (SSJB (R in Blacks case) > SSJG > SSJ3 > SSJ2 > SSJ.) But when he returns his own Blue form is now more than an even match for Black's. So yes, Vegeta would've had to have powered-up immensely from his training. How much, is up to your multipliers or whatever.
The implication is that like back when Ginyu stole Goku's body, after Zamasu/Black stole Goku's body he was unable to bring out the full power of its base form & use its abilities (such as SS & SSGSS). By getting more & more near-death power-ups, Black was slowly making Goku's body his, allowing him to bring out more & more of its original base power, and he could slowly use more & more of its abilities (he could first use SS, and then eventually SSGSS/SSR).I never got the impression that Black was trying to get the power of "Son Goku from 1 year later", just that he was trying to master use of the body & it's forms, in other words it's full power. But he could only do that by getting his new Saiyajin cells to bond with his divine soul, and this is only possible via Zenkai. Which, due to Goku's soul being gone, are good to go.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Yep. When the manga gets to the point where Beerus is raising a ruckus on Earth (specifically, on the cruise ship where Bulma was having her party), we're told in a note that we're advised to watch the movie to see how the party turned out. As in, the movie where the party occurred on the Capsule Corp. grounds and there was no cruise ship in sight. We also have a gag page where Vegeta is disappointed that he never got to show off his Bingo dance (and I don't recall his hijinks in the anime including a dance).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Keep in mind that the manga assumes we have seen the movies Battle of Gods & Resurrection "F", or the BoG arc wouldn't have been so rushed & the FnF arc wouldn't have been skipped and retold through narrator boxes. In the movies, Goku & Vegeta use the power of SSG in their base forms. Then in the Universe 6 & Future Trunks arcs of the manga, Goku & Vegeta don't use the power of SSG in their base forms, since they've learned how to use the SSG form itself, which is slightly stronger. That's why Goku & Vegeta don't use the SSG power in their base forms anymore, unlike Black who can't go SSG.
Yes, some changes were made to promote the anime, but the story is still the same, and the arc is very obviously there for promotional reasons rather than Toyotaro's take on BoG, unlike the anime BoG & FnF arcs of the anime which are clearly meant to be Toei's take on the movies. The real beginning of the Super manga is at chapter 5, the first 4 chapters are just a recap of the movie with a few changes here & there. That's why in the manga Beerus makes reference to his "you are the 2nd strongest fighter I've ever fought" line from the movie, while this line isn't there in the manga.Tectorman wrote:Yep. When the manga gets to the point where Beerus is raising a ruckus on Earth (specifically, on the cruise ship where Bulma was having her party), we're told in a note that we're advised to watch the movie to see how the party turned out. As in, the movie where the party occurred on the Capsule Corp. grounds and there was no cruise ship in sight. We also have a gag page where Vegeta is disappointed that he never got to show off his Bingo dance (and I don't recall his hijinks in the anime including a dance).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Keep in mind that the manga assumes we have seen the movies Battle of Gods & Resurrection "F", or the BoG arc wouldn't have been so rushed & the FnF arc wouldn't have been skipped and retold through narrator boxes. In the movies, Goku & Vegeta use the power of SSG in their base forms. Then in the Universe 6 & Future Trunks arcs of the manga, Goku & Vegeta don't use the power of SSG in their base forms, since they've learned how to use the SSG form itself, which is slightly stronger. That's why Goku & Vegeta don't use the SSG power in their base forms anymore, unlike Black who can't go SSG.
I.e., while there are certain irreconcilable differences here and there between the three versions (movie: Goku goes from SSG to SbG then SSbG, anime: Goku goes from SSG to SSbG, manga: Goku keeps SSG all the way to the end of the fight; anime Trunks is only as strong as SSJ2 while manga Trunks is even with SSJ3, etc.), I've always held that none of these are meant to be telling wildly different stories. If a character is meant to be a certain amount of strong in one continuity and the other continuities do not definitively say otherwise, then they should also be that strong there, as well.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
This specific line is mentioned in an additional page between chapters 4 & 5(in volume format).Although i agree with you..We must see the 2 movies in order to know the full details of the said events.The manga truly starts from chapter 5 & the U6 arc.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yes, some changes were made to promote the anime, but the story is still the same, and the arc is very obviously there for promotional reasons rather than Toyotaro's take on BoG, unlike the anime BoG & FnF arcs of the anime which are clearly meant to be Toei's take on the movies. The real beginning of the Super manga is at chapter 5, the first 4 chapters are just a recap of the movie with a few changes here & there. That's why in the manga Beerus makes reference to his "you are the 2nd strongest fighter I've ever fought" line from the movie, while this line isn't there in the manga.Tectorman wrote:Yep. When the manga gets to the point where Beerus is raising a ruckus on Earth (specifically, on the cruise ship where Bulma was having her party), we're told in a note that we're advised to watch the movie to see how the party turned out. As in, the movie where the party occurred on the Capsule Corp. grounds and there was no cruise ship in sight. We also have a gag page where Vegeta is disappointed that he never got to show off his Bingo dance (and I don't recall his hijinks in the anime including a dance).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Keep in mind that the manga assumes we have seen the movies Battle of Gods & Resurrection "F", or the BoG arc wouldn't have been so rushed & the FnF arc wouldn't have been skipped and retold through narrator boxes. In the movies, Goku & Vegeta use the power of SSG in their base forms. Then in the Universe 6 & Future Trunks arcs of the manga, Goku & Vegeta don't use the power of SSG in their base forms, since they've learned how to use the SSG form itself, which is slightly stronger. That's why Goku & Vegeta don't use the SSG power in their base forms anymore, unlike Black who can't go SSG.
I.e., while there are certain irreconcilable differences here and there between the three versions (movie: Goku goes from SSG to SbG then SSbG, anime: Goku goes from SSG to SSbG, manga: Goku keeps SSG all the way to the end of the fight; anime Trunks is only as strong as SSJ2 while manga Trunks is even with SSJ3, etc.), I've always held that none of these are meant to be telling wildly different stories. If a character is meant to be a certain amount of strong in one continuity and the other continuities do not definitively say otherwise, then they should also be that strong there, as well.
It should leak tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.Fearless wrote:Any news for the next chapter?
