Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Kakarot9001 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:36 pm

Toriyama run out of ideas for characters designs, that's a straight fact

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:37 pm

Curious about this Toriyama one shot.
I hope it isn't anything related to DB Minus and he just focus on this movie.
Kakarot9001 wrote:Toriyama run out of ideas for characters designs, that's a straight fact
Nop, just your opinion. Whis and Beerus don't agree.
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Post by KaiserNeko » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:38 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:Toriyama run out of ideas for characters designs, that's a straight fact
I didn't know you knew the intricate workings of Toriyama's mind so intrinsically.

Now I'm just maddeningly curious who designed Jaco, Tights, Beerus, Whis, Tagoma, Sorbet...
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Post by radrappy » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:39 pm

Retan wrote:I'm sure Bandai asked him to do something where they wouldn't have to change designs, just colors, for there Future Freeza figures. Again I could be wrong though.
If you honestly think this, you don't understand AT one bit. The man does what he wants, when he wants. He's not going to change the color of a character for bandai toys.

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Post by Gold_Jacobson » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:41 pm

When I first saw the Golden Freeza screenshots, I thought that that was a poor choice.

Once the trailer came out later that night though, I really started to like it and see why Toriyama likely went with the design.

I believe that the simple design of the new form was chosen so that no matter how familiar you are with the DB series, as long as you know Freeza's iconic image, you'll be able to recognize and know that that new form is him. In the end, it was going for "Freeza" when you saw him, even for those that are much more unfamiliar with the series. If they went away and went with Spikes, mouth guards, etc, it would take away from Freeza's iconic image. This is important because this may not be the last time we see him. We don't know how the movie will end. If he continues to exist we don't want Freeza's iconic final form image to be torn by two contrasting appearances. This applies to even if Freeza does die in the movie. They may not want his final appearance to overshadow the iconic image that has grown over all of these years.

I think the Golden Freeza design was a great idea.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Retan » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:41 pm

radrappy wrote:
Retan wrote:I'm sure Bandai asked him to do something where they wouldn't have to change designs, just colors, for there Future Freeza figures. Again I could be wrong though.
If you honestly think this, you don't understand AT one bit. The man does what he wants, when he wants. He's not going to change the color of a character for bandai toys.


Money talks.

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Post by radrappy » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:43 pm

Retan wrote:
radrappy wrote:
Retan wrote:I'm sure Bandai asked him to do something where they wouldn't have to change designs, just colors, for there Future Freeza figures. Again I could be wrong though.
If you honestly think this, you don't understand AT one bit. The man does what he wants, when he wants. He's not going to change the color of a character for bandai toys.


Money talks dum dum.

Yeah, we all know how greedy AT is from the numerous DB series he's made in the past decade at the behest of Bandai Namco. Oh wait. Get over yourself and your conspiracy nonsense. Freeza is gold because AT wanted him to be gold.

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Post by Retan » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:45 pm

Dragonball Evolution ring a bell, THINK!!! All about money. And what conspiracy nonsense?
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Post by KaiserNeko » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:45 pm

Um, this isn't just a color swap. Legitimately, his body shape is changed, along with plenty of his accents. So, it's most certainly not a "marketing angle", at least not in that regard. They'd need to make a new cast for any figurine, no matter what.
Retan wrote:Dragonball Evolution ring a bell, THINK!!! All about money.
That has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Especially Toriyama "shilling for money".
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Post by sintzu » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:46 pm

Retan wrote:Money talks.
Not everyone can be bought and Toriyama is one of them.

If Bandai could pay him to do what they wanted then he'd have made something along the lines of Db Heroes or worse.
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Post by Retan » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:49 pm

sintzu wrote:
Retan wrote:Money talks.
Not everyone can be bought and Toriyama is one of them.

If Bandai could pay him to do what they want then would have made something along the lines of Db Heroes or worse.

Toriyama can't be bought? :lol: That's a good one.

Anyway wasn't trying to start a conspiracy theory.

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Post by sintzu » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:57 pm

Retan wrote: Toriyama can't be bought? :lol: That's a good one.
Bandai and Cartoon network tried to get him to do another story in the early-mid 2000s and he wouldn't even though they probably offered him a big paycheck.

It's not uncommon that people in the entertainment industry will put their reputation over $$$.
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Post by Retan » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:59 pm

sintzu wrote:
Retan wrote: Toriyama can't be bought? :lol: That's a good one.
Bandai and Cartoon network tried to get him to do another story in the early-mid 2000s and he wouldn't even though they probably offered him a big paycheck.

It's not uncommon that people in the entertainment industry will put their reputation over $$$.


No but he'll let Fox tarnish his work for lots of it.

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Post by sintzu » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:02 pm

Retan wrote:No but he'll let Fox tarnish his work for lots of it.
They have the rights to the movies so there was nothing he could have done.
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Post by Retan » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:05 pm

sintzu wrote:
Retan wrote:No but he'll let Fox tarnish his work for lots of it.
They have the rights to the movies so there was nothing he could have done.

He gave them those rights, I remember hearing the reports when it was reported they were going to make a live action DB movie.


I'm not trying to hate on Toriyama, I'd be the same way as him if I had his talent, but at the same time don't say he can't be bought.

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Post by Big Momma » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:06 pm

Retan wrote:
sintzu wrote:
Retan wrote: Toriyama can't be bought? :lol: That's a good one.
Bandai and Cartoon network tried to get him to do another story in the early-mid 2000s and he wouldn't even though they probably offered him a big paycheck.

It's not uncommon that people in the entertainment industry will put their reputation over $$$.


No but he'll let Fox tarnish his work for lots of it.
He didn't let Fox do anything. As said above, they have the rights so they legally could do that. He tried to give them input and suggest changes, but they didn't listen to him.
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Post by voltlunok » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:06 pm

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Kakarot9001 wrote:Toriyama run out of ideas for characters designs, that's a straight fact
I didn't know you knew the intricate workings of Toriyama's mind so intrinsically.

Now I'm just maddeningly curious who designed Jaco, Tights, Beerus, Whis, Tagoma, Sorbet...
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Nah.

Toriyama still has good design sense in that head of his but sadly it feels like that passion isn't burning quite as brightly as in his hayday. At first I didn't like the design, akinning it to Cliffjumper syndrome but it's kinda grown on me. It just doesn't grab me like the old days. I think still to this day Ruin from Dragon quest 8 is my favorite design out of Toriyama.
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Post by Retan » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:13 pm

Fox couldn't do anything with DB until they paid him for the rights to the movie, then they could do whatever they wanted with the movie franchise, he knew this when he was paid.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:13 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:Toriyama run out of ideas for characters designs, that's a straight fact
More like an opinion. And did you not read Jaco The Galactic Patrolman or see any of the designs for the new and old characters in Revival Of F?

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Post by sintzu » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:15 pm

Retan wrote:
He gave them those rights.

I'm not trying to hate on Toriyama, I'd be the same way as him if I had his talent, but at the same time don't say he can't be bought.
Shueisha did cause if you don't know they have the final say in everything regarding the series and others like Naruto and One Piece weather it's who gets to animate it,make games,toys,ect. and for smaller writers they tell them what and how to write their stories and when they can or can't end them which is why AOT's author went to Kodansha instead.

Has he done anything that says he can ?
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