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Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:45 pm

The Tori-bot wrote: It's also ridiculous that Super Vegetto has to actually put forth some effort against Broli of all things...Y'know, when SSJ Goku can fuck him up.

Broli is more believable instead of Pan, if Broli had arrived after the Buu Saga or GT he would have been that strong. Yet, Pan was around when the heavy hitters were present and she was still weak in comparison. Broli also was defeated in a weak ass manner, seriously the Toei Punch. We all know that the ending to Movie #8 was B.S.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:26 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote: if Broli had arrived after the Buu Saga or GT he would have been that strong.

How can you know that?

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Broli also was defeated in a weak ass manner, seriously the Toei Punch. We all know that the ending to Movie #8 was B.S.

I disagree, I think it's plausible enough. I mean it is Goku we're talking about here, he's known for doing stuff like that.

Anyways, back on point, it's Vegetto we're talking about. I don't care who he's fighting or what universe he came from, Vegetto is always they favorite to win a fight and nobody even comes close to him in terms of raw power. Vegetto is the law giver, that is all.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:49 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote: if Broli had arrived after the Buu Saga or GT he would have been that strong.
How can you know that?

Because every major villain that appears is always stronger than everyone else is until Kakarrot goes through sort of training and defeats him after Vegeta was used as a punching bag.

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Broli also was defeated in a weak ass manner, seriously the Toei Punch. We all know that the ending to Movie #8 was B.S.
I disagree, I think it's plausible enough. I mean it is Goku we're talking about here, he's known for doing stuff like that.

Anyways, back on point, it's Vegetto we're talking about. I don't care who he's fighting or what universe he came from, Vegetto is always they favorite to win a fight and nobody even comes close to him in terms of raw power. Vegetto is the law giver, that is all.

Yeah, yeah I know “Goku” is the star of the show and he has to win all the time no matter how ridiculous it is, heard that all before. Concerning Vegetto, we do not know how strong or weak he is, according to the anime, he could have defeated Buu in base form. However, the manga makes it seem as if he had to transform and unless the Daizenshuu states he could go beyond Super Saiyan we do not know if he could actually achieve Super Saiyan 2 or 3. I do not hold to that no one can beat Vegetto stuff that goes on around here.[/quote]

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:23 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
The Tori-bot wrote: It's also ridiculous that Super Vegetto has to actually put forth some effort against Broli of all things...Y'know, when SSJ Goku can fuck him up.
Broli is more believable instead of Pan, if Broli had arrived after the Buu Saga or GT he would have been that strong. Yet, Pan was around when the heavy hitters were present and she was still weak in comparison. Broli also was defeated in a weak ass manner, seriously the Toei Punch. We all know that the ending to Movie #8 was B.S.

Things to note:
1) Pan in our universe trained for about 2 years (max) under Goku. This pan trained for probably 12 years under Vegetto. Longer training under the strongest being in existence? Hell, SSJ3 Pan wouldn't be a surprise to me.
2) The Broly that fights against a Vegetto stronger than ours is implied to be a Broly who never had the events of movie 10 affect him. If SSJ Gohan and SSJ Goten can take him out, a weaker version should not be able to take out a stronger Vegetto.
3) You're implying it's unlikely for SSJ Pan who trained for 10 more years under to go toe-to-toe with an untransformed, unserious Bojack... why, exactly?

Translation notes:
No idea what they did to Pan's reaction. Should read "Huh!?!", not "Huu?!?". How the hell does someone mistranslate identical punctuation marks? That would be like translating "Pan" as "Nap"!

The "veeveevee" is arguably correct. "Viiviivii" might be misread as a "vih" sound, so they were being overly careful here. Don't know why they changed "Blaa" to "Blah", though.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:17 am

Dayspring wrote:...Hell, SSJ3 Pan wouldn't be a surprise to me.

Stop, just the thought makes me nauseous. If a Super Saiyan 3 Pan shows up got damn it there better be a Super Saiyan 15 Vegeta and a Super Saiyan 4 Bra somewhere among them.

2) The Broly that fights against a Vegetto stronger than ours is implied to be a Broly who never had the events of movie 10 affect him. If SSJ Gohan and SSJ Goten can take him out, a weaker version should not be able to take out a stronger Vegetto.

For the record those two did not kill Broli in Movie #10 the sun did, you can see his heart burst from the strain of attempting to maintain his Ki barrier.

3) You're implying it's unlikely for SSJ Pan who trained for 10 more years under to go toe-to-toe with an untransformed, unserious Bojack... why, exactly?

It’s Pan…seriously Pan, I do not care who she trained under it’s Pan for Christ’s sake.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:44 am

Ignoring all GT-based preconceptions, in the manga, Pan was set up as having more potential than anyone. Ten straight years of training? ...I might not see her being able to take on someone at Perfect Cell level quite yet, but shoot, she's gonna be strong enough to put up a damn good fight.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:31 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Ignoring all GT-based preconceptions, in the manga, Pan was set up as having more potential than anyone. Ten straight years of training? ...I might not see her being able to take on someone at Perfect Cell level quite yet, but shoot, she's gonna be strong enough to put up a damn good fight.

How did Pan show any potential, Son Goten just sucks. Then again, he would look like a real sorry individual beating up on his 4 or 5 year old niece.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:33 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Dayspring wrote:...Hell, SSJ3 Pan wouldn't be a surprise to me.
Stop, just the thought makes me nauseous. If a Super Saiyan 3 Pan shows up got damn it there better be a Super Saiyan 15 Vegeta and a Super Saiyan 4 Bra somewhere among them.

2) The Broly that fights against a Vegetto stronger than ours is implied to be a Broly who never had the events of movie 10 affect him. If SSJ Gohan and SSJ Goten can take him out, a weaker version should not be able to take out a stronger Vegetto.
For the record those two did not kill Broli in Movie #10 the sun did, you can see his heart burst from the strain of attempting to maintain his Ki barrier.

*snip*

3) You're implying it's unlikely for SSJ Pan who trained for 10 more years under to go toe-to-toe with an untransformed, unserious Bojack... why, exactly?
It’s Pan…seriously Pan, I do not care who she trained under it’s Pan for Christ’s sake.

You know what, we should give up trying to argue with you. It's like pushing a brick wall. It's obvious that you're just biased as hell and won't listen to any logic. I'm sure if this happened to somebody not in the Son family, you'd be eating it up.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:02 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Broli is more believable instead of Pan, if Broli had arrived after the Buu Saga or GT he would have been that strong.

Janemba arrived in/after the Buu Saga and Gogeta obliterated him.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:27 am

Rocketman wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Broli is more believable instead of Pan, if Broli had arrived after the Buu Saga or GT he would have been that strong.
Janemba arrived in/after the Buu Saga and Gogeta obliterated him.

Yeah but how would that Gogeta fare against Bebi-Vegeta/Golden Ôzaru-Bebi, Jinzôningen Super #17, Si Xing Long, or Yi Xing Long?

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:41 am

Arg, "Oh, Broli this!" and "Vegetto that!" Why do you guys always revert back to same argument every month? Every time DBM matches up two unbelievably outclass fighters together someone has to mention Broli. It's almost like clock work with you people.

I'm actually kidding because honestly I have no fucking idea what the recent replies are about. I just skimmed over them and noticed the words "Broli" and "Vegetto" keeps popping up. It's actually amusing, I'm one of those weirdo's who enjoys listening to fans argue about stuff. It's the only reason why I hang out at comic book stores or listen to certain podcast shows.

When I was younger I used to believe Broli was like the Hulk. Attacking him will only make him angrier and stronger. The only way to defeat him is either by peace or throwing him into space. Toei, however, thought the only way to defeat an all powerful Hulk like being was one B.S. ending after another.

And yes I completely agree with Saiyan-Professor, Moive-8 ending was pretty ridiculous. But aren't they all?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:54 am

Movie 2 had an acceptable ending. So did Movie 7. I don't really remember the end of Movie 12 or 13, but I would remember if they were terrible.

But most of the movies have a bad or anti-climactic ending.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:02 am

[already posted]

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:31 am

This was already posted a page back.

TrunksTrevelyan0064 · Post by **TrunksTrevelyan0064** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:50 am

So, about the fight. SSJ Pan vs. Bojack.

...

Yeah. So even if Bojack can't somehow keep up with this kid, he'll transform and win instantly. Dammit, I want to see who the contestants are for the next fight, already

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:57 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Dayspring wrote:...Hell, SSJ3 Pan wouldn't be a surprise to me.
Stop, just the thought makes me nauseous. If a Super Saiyan 3 Pan shows up got damn it there better be a Super Saiyan 15 Vegeta and a Super Saiyan 4 Bra somewhere among them.

UGH. You totally missed my point. The dialogue we've seen implies this Pan probably won't even go SSJ2. Pan is 14 here and trained longer and under a more powerful trainer. Gohan is what, 12, when he went SSJ? Goten and Trunks were under 7. All we know about Pan from the manga is that she has great potential. Even GT Pan going SSJ between the series and special isn't out of the question at all, so why not a stronger version of Pan?

2) The Broly that fights against a Vegetto stronger than ours is implied to be a Broly who never had the events of movie 10 affect him. If SSJ Gohan and SSJ Goten can take him out, a weaker version should not be able to take out a stronger Vegetto.
For the record those two did not kill Broli in Movie #10 the sun did, you can see his heart burst from the strain of attempting to maintain his Ki barrier.

But they still had the strength to knock him back over 146 MILLION kilometers! If you can accept the possibility that either this Broly can be stronger than that, or that this Vegetto can be weaker than our Vegetto, why do you assume that the likely possibility of a stronger Pan can actually be any strong at all?

3) You're implying it's unlikely for SSJ Pan who trained for 10 more years under to go toe-to-toe with an untransformed, unserious Bojack... why, exactly?
It’s Pan…seriously Pan, I do not care who she trained under it’s Pan for Christ’s sake.

Which is proof that it's possible! Seriously, what exactly do you know of Pan that THIS is your reaction?

It's not like she's kicking Bojack's ass or anything. He's clearly going to dominate in his untransformed state.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:34 am

Dayspring wrote:...UGH. You totally missed my point. The dialogue we've seen implies this Pan probably won't even go SSJ2. Pan is 14 here and trained longer and under a more powerful trainer. Gohan is what, 12, when he went SSJ? Goten and Trunks were under 7. All we know about Pan from the manga is that she has great potential. Even GT Pan going SSJ between the series and special isn't out of the question at all, so why not a stronger version of Pan?

Look I get what you are saying but its Pan, I am sorry but the Pan from GT is etched invariably into my mind for life, so to me she is just that weak annoying daughter of Son Gohan and Kakarrot’s granddaughter.

But they still had the strength to knock him back over 146 MILLION kilometers! If you can accept the possibility that either this Broly can be stronger than that, or that this Vegetto can be weaker than our Vegetto, why do you assume that the likely possibility of a stronger Pan can actually be any strong at all?

That is nothing new villains and heroes get thrown far distances all the time, remember the Chibi Kakarrot and Jinzôningen Super #17 fight in GT? Either way, is fine it does not matter whether Broli is stronger or Vegetto is weaker my point is that it is more believable than some of the stuff that has been going on lately especially the Super Saiyan Pan incident. Hell, the video games present Broli as a monster (which it should).

Which is proof that it's possible! Seriously, what exactly do you know of Pan that THIS is your reaction? It's not like she's kicking Bojack's ass or anything. He's clearly going to dominate in his untransformed state.

That is the situation right now but Saligir and the gang will do something that is totally ridiculous like with the Cell versus Dabra fight. For all we know this Pan may actually go Super Saiyan 2 or 3 and if that happens I might have to take a break form DB:M until they get to something more realistic (for Dragonball that is).

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:56 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote: Look I get what you are saying but its Pan, I am sorry but the Pan from GT is etched invariably into my mind for life, so to me she is just that weak annoying daughter of Son Gohan and Kakarrot’s granddaughter.

Not GT Pan anymore than Future Trunks is chibi Trunks. If anything, you should be glad they made this Pan stronger, as she's more true to the original Pan than GT was.

But they still had the strength to knock him back over 146 MILLION kilometers! If you can accept the possibility that either this Broly can be stronger than that, or that this Vegetto can be weaker than our Vegetto, why do you assume that the likely possibility of a stronger Pan can actually be any strong at all?
That is nothing new villains and heroes get thrown far distances all the time, remember the Chibi Kakarrot and Jinzôningen Super #17 fight in GT? Either way, is fine it does not matter whether Broli is stronger or Vegetto is weaker my point is that it is more believable than some of the stuff that has been going on lately especially the Super Saiyan Pan incident. Hell, the video games present Broli as a monster (which it should).

Someone strong like GT Goku knocking someone weaker than Broly 10,000 to 20,000KM is a LOT different than movie 10-Gohan and Goten knocking Broly 146,000,000KM...

Which is proof that it's possible! Seriously, what exactly do you know of Pan that THIS is your reaction? It's not like she's kicking Bojack's ass or anything. He's clearly going to dominate in his untransformed state.
That is the situation right now but Saligir and the gang will do something that is totally ridiculous like with the Cell versus Dabra fight. For all we know this Pan may actually go Super Saiyan 2 or 3 and if that happens I might have to take a break form DB:M until they get to something more realistic (for Dragonball that is).

Pan won't go SSJ2 or higher: she's already stated to be going all out by being SSJ. Bojack will win unless she can outsmart him somehow.

And Cell beating Dabura made a shitload of sense. The DB series itself tells us that Dabura is only as strong as Cell (possibly not even Super Perfect Cell). Tack on 27 years of training to that.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:56 am

Pan has a strong heart and in Shônen strength of heart always means greater power. If Pan wins--which is unlikely--it wouldn't be without hardship.

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I can't wait to see that Broli get shanked by Vegetto. Jerk deserves it.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:05 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:For all we know this Pan may actually go Super Saiyan 2 or 3 and if that happens I might have to take a break form DB:M until they get to something more realistic (for Dragonball that is).

Y'mean like Vegeta going SSJ7 and beating everybody?