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[rereboy]

Vegeta was weaker than Zarbon the first time they fought. And he lost. The second time, he wasn't weaker than Zarbon because his previous defeat had given him a zenkai.

Manga hints that Vegeta was weaker.
"Seems like a big power level has followed me"
*After Vegeta throws sand into eye and throws ki blast*
"His power dropped."

^ Hints that Zarbon was still stronger.

Uh, no it doesn't. It never states that it was higher than his own, just that it was big. At most it points to the fact that Vegeta and Zarbon were now close in power and his strategy of blinding Zarbon was just enough to make Vegeta win this one without much trouble or a prolonged struggle.

I never said power didn't play a HUGE role. I'm saying skill also plays some-what a role as well. The power gap was 24,000(Kaioken x3) to 180,000. hat's to huge. Let's not forget Vegeta is also skilled

No, you said that Dragonball "required skill to win". Which is simply not true. Its the least important factor, power being the most important.

You misunderstood. I said Freeza was holding on him decently with Goku who is a skilled fighter. Yes the fighter with the bigger power level mostly wins. I didn't argue that. I'm saying skill is also needed. Skill gave Goku a slight edge over Kid Boo. I pretty sure Dabura's skill gave him a better edge over Gohan had they been equal. Goten fought a great battle with Trunks because of his skill. He would had won had Trunks not broke his "Promise"

Once again, you said that Dragonball "required skill to win". Which is not what you are saying now.

[TheGmGoken]

Vegeta was weaker than Zarbon the first time they fought. And he lost. The second time, he wasn't weaker than Zarbon because his previous defeat had given him a zenkai.

Manga hints that Vegeta was weaker.
"Seems like a big power level has followed me"
*After Vegeta throws sand into eye and throws ki blast*
"His power dropped."

^ Hints that Zarbon was still stronger.

Uh, no it doesn't. It never states that it was higher than his own, just that it was big. At most it points to the fact that Vegeta and Zarbon were now close in power and his strategy of blinding Zarbon was just enough to make Vegeta win this one without much trouble or a prolonged struggle.

SOme theories on this website do proves Zarbon > Vegeta HA HA!. But seriously I doubt with Vegeta's cockyness that he would call anybody weaker than him(No matter how small) big.

[miguelnuva1]

Vegeta was weaker than Zarbon the first time they fought. And he lost. The second time, he wasn't weaker than Zarbon because his previous defeat had given him a zenkai.

Manga hints that Vegeta was weaker.
"Seems like a big power level has followed me"
*After Vegeta throws sand into eye and throws ki blast*
"His power dropped."

^ Hints that Zarbon was still stronger.

Uh, no it doesn't. It never states that it was higher than his own, just that it was big. At most it points to the fact that Vegeta and Zarbon were now close in power and his strategy of blinding Zarbon was just enough to make Vegeta win this one without much trouble or a prolonged struggle.

SOme theories on this website do proves Zarbon > Vegeta HA HA!. But seriously I doubt with Vegeta's cockyness that he would call anybody weaker than him(No matter how small) big.[/quote]

I have never heard someone put Zarbon over Zenksi Vegeta till today.

[dario03]

Completely by the books in a traditional fight but such a technique shouldn't be viable in a Budokai. It's hella cheap. Yeah Gohan has a point but this is a tournament. Magic tricks shouldn't be allowed in a MARTIAL ARTS tournament.

Who said this is a martial arts tournament? And Vegetto himself is a magical being, so if magic isn't allowed, neither should Potara.

Can he use magic tricks? No. Vegetto is just really powerful being, not a magic one. If the Potara are not allowed, he could merely just remove them . What's the point of a non-martial arts tournament? It's just a contest of how can I cheat my opponent out of a victory.

Woah woah woah, who ever said Vegetto can't do magic tricks. This is Vegetto here, if he wants to pull a rabbit out of a hat I guarantee it will happen and will be the most impressive rabbit out of a hat ever.

But personally I don't see a problem with this as long as XXI used his own power.

[rereboy]

Besides XXI's technique being totally fair (since it would put Vegetto out of commission for several hours in a real fight. I mean, c'mon, its not like he lost because stepped outside of the ring or some other illogical reason that wouldn't matter in a real fight), I think that everyone is forgetting that we know nothing of this XXI. Who knows, maybe he could defeat Vegetto even without that technique.

[Son Edo]

Just caught up with the story. Really enjoyed that last special, simple and easy to read. I like the appearance of XXI, wise old man and loved Old Kaioshin trolling everyone Keen to see how this Vegetto situation pans out.

[miguelnuva1]

XXI cheated Vegito. Was it againts the rules no, but was it a cheap way to win by fighting standards yes.

[RandomGuy96]

But Vegetto did the same thing to Salagir-haxxed Broly.

On why Pan isn't as strong as Bra: because Salagir-haxxed Vegetto is well over a thousand times as strong as Ultimate Gohan.

[TheGmGoken]

But Vegetto did the same thing to Salagir-haxxed Broly.

On why Pan isn't as strong as Bra: because Salagir-haxxed Vegetto is well over a thousand times as strong as Ultimate Gohan.

Vegetto was already much much much stronger than Ult. Gohan .

[TheMightyOzaru]

But Vegetto did the same thing to Salagir-haxxed Broly.

Not really. He just knocked him out of bounds for more than 30 seconds with an actual attack.

[TheGmGoken]

Okay I wanted to drop the subject. I wanted to really. I'm sorry if this is getting on some of y'all nerves. But I sent this email before I made the posted about DBM vs DBGT canon. I just got the email yesterday or today(forgot). But here it is.

Le 30/06/2013 03:05, Tv Wonders a écrit :
> Do you think DBM is more canon than DBGT?

It's not a matter of think

Only the manga is canon, only thing written in the 42 volumes of the
manga are canon. Any other production isn't.
DBGT isn't canon. DBM isn't canon.

As for trying to follow the canon and stay in it, I'd say DBM is doing a
better job than DBGT.

So I change my opinion. I would't say Salagir thinks DBM is canon but he believes it follows the manga(Which his definition of Db Canon is only the manga of the 42 volumes) better than DBGT. So his personal canon have DBM more canon than DBGT so I was some-what correct and wrong at the same time. Depends how you take his message to me.

[rereboy]

But Vegetto did the same thing to Salagir-haxxed Broly.

Not really. He just knocked him out of bounds for more than 30 seconds with an actual attack.

Knocking out of bounds is way cheaper than what XXI did.

[miguelnuva1]

But Vegetto did the same thing to Salagir-haxxed Broly.

Not really. He just knocked him out of bounds for more than 30 seconds with an actual attack.

Knocking out of bounds is way cheaper than what XXI did.

No it isn't, what XXI did didn't even give Vegito 30 seconds to come back.

[TheGmGoken]

But Vegetto did the same thing to Salagir-haxxed Broly.

Not really. He just knocked him out of bounds for more than 30 seconds with an actual attack.

Knocking out of bounds is way cheaper than what XXI did.

What XXI did to be honest. Was unique and quite frankly badass, For now let's just say XXI is one of the weaker one there. He uses his magic to add him. Imagine Cell or Boo without regeneration. HE caught Vegetto unexpected and won. I'll be pissed if I lose but I got to give credit when it's due. That's a nice victory tactics. It's been a long time since power didn't mean anything.

No it isn't, what XXI did didn't even give Vegito 30 seconds to come back.

He gave him 2 hours.

[miguelnuva1]

No it isn't, what XXI did didn't even give Vegito 30 seconds to come back.

He gave him 2 hours.

Vegito was gone 2 seconds and when he got back it was a couple of hours. I agree what XXI did was in the rules and it was intelligent on his part but it was cheap as far as a fighting tournament goes.

XXI has now won both his fights in a kinda cheap way.

[TheGmGoken]

Not cheap. Smart. Had this been a real fight. XXI would have teleported Vegetto away for a few hours. From what we know. We don't know his power. So let's say he's strong. He could have killed everyone. Vegetto would have failed. He's smart.

[miguelnuva1]

Not cheap. Smart. Had this been a real fight. XXI would have teleported Vegetto away for a few hours. From what we know. We don't know his power. So let's say he's strong. He could have killed everyone. Vegetto would have failed. He's smart.

Yes it's very smart but it is cheap. When you get into a fight with someone it is to see who is the best fighter, the smartest fighter wins a fight but in a tournament like setting which says the opponent has 30 seconds to return to the ring with XXI did was cheap.

XXI throws an attack and Vegito counters it in like 2 seconds only to find out time was sped up in the area he was in. The fact that XXI thinks he can go through a fighting tournament without throwing a punch isn't fair.

[TheGmGoken]

Not cheap. Smart. Had this been a real fight. XXI would have teleported Vegetto away for a few hours. From what we know. We don't know his power. So let's say he's strong. He could have killed everyone. Vegetto would have failed. He's smart.

Yes it's very smart but it is cheap. When you get into a fight with someone it is to see who is the best fighter, the smartest fighter wins a fight but in a tournament like setting which says the opponent has 30 seconds to return to the ring with XXI did was cheap.

XXI throws an attack and Vegito counters it in like 2 seconds only to find out time was sped up in the area he was in. The fact that XXI thinks he can go through a fighting tournament without throwing a punch isn't fair.

*looks at the rules*
Seems fair to me.

[miguelnuva1]

Not cheap. Smart. Had this been a real fight. XXI would have teleported Vegetto away for a few hours. From what we know. We don't know his power. So let's say he's strong. He could have killed everyone. Vegetto would have failed. He's smart.

Yes it's very smart but it is cheap. When you get into a fight with someone it is to see who is the best fighter, the smartest fighter wins a fight but in a tournament like setting which says the opponent has 30 seconds to return to the ring with XXI did was cheap.

XXI throws an attack and Vegito counters it in like 2 seconds only to find out time was sped up in the area he was in. The fact that XXI thinks he can go through a fighting tournament without throwing a punch isn't fair.

*looks at the rules*
Seems fair to me.

What XXI did wasn't against the rules and it was smart I agree but to enter a fighting tournament and not fight your opponent just seems like a cheap way to win.

[TheGmGoken]

He did fight him. With magic. He used magic to teleport him.