Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Saiga]

Yeah, I thought the special was bad enough with how they made out Bardock out to be. Salagir just makes it worse... although not to EoB levels. At least, not in that special.

[RandomGuy96]

I think the idea was to show that Goku was a chip off the old block, the son of a low class saiyan who also surpassed the elites through training and battle. Though I can see why someone would have a problem with that, and I could DEFINITELY see why someone would hate the idea of this guy and a new super speshul canon-defying OC being above the king, especially when said king got nerfed just to wank these two.

[Draken]

I think the idea was to show that Goku was a chip off the old block, the son of a low class saiyan who also surpassed the elites through training and battle. Though I can see why someone would have a problem with that, and I could DEFINITELY see why someone would hate the idea of this guy and a new super speshul canon-defying OC being above the king, especially when said king got nerfed just to wank these two.

Having Goku be a prodigy/special/hard worker and not just another elite sounds way better in my opinion.

[dbzfan7]

I think the idea was to show that Goku was a chip off the old block, the son of a low class saiyan who also surpassed the elites through training and battle. Though I can see why someone would have a problem with that, and I could DEFINITELY see why someone would hate the idea of this guy and a new super speshul canon-defying OC being above the king, especially when said king got nerfed just to wank these two.

Having Goku be a prodigy/special/hard worker and not just another elite sounds way better in my opinion.

Exactly. His two parents in the special are elites. Goku only became a prodigy because he had special training from gods. Following this special Goku should have had a higher power level at birth. This would also cheapen Goku's rise above the elite with pure training.

[TheGmGoken]

I never got the deal with Bardock in DBM. His special IMO was confusing. . Like all the Saiyans in their ape form killing Freeza? It been shown in the series just because 1 + 1 + 1 is greater than 2 doesn't mean their attacks will work. In fact it almost never works. Not to mention most Saiyans were 1,000 - 7,000 at most. I don't know why Bardock's wife was strong, It does not help at all. In fact he creates a plot hole. So 10,000 - 180,000 power levels should't hurt Freeza FIRST form. According to the past time we've seen what happens when people do that.

[RandomGuy96]

I thought that they combined their energy waves...? You know, if you have a 100 Ozarus with power levels of 10,000 each, then their combined blast would be 1,000,000, letting it kill first form Freeza? I don't have a problem with that; I like that technique and we've seen it be done in the movies.

But I do have a problem with this: he disregarded the manga statement that said Freeza first form's power level was 530,000, and changed it to 53,000.

[TheGmGoken]

I thought that they combined their energy waves...? You know, if you have a 100 Ozarus with power levels of 10,000 each, then their combined blast would be 1,000,000, letting it kill first form Freeza? I don't have a problem with that; I like that technique and we've seen it be done in the movies.

But I do have a problem with this: he disregarded the manga statement that said Freeza first form's power level was 530,000, and changed it to 53,000.

He changed that!? Man I forgot about that special. I should re-read it. This fool got the nerve to say DBM is more canon than DBGT(I got proof now from Salgir himself) when he change Freeza's power level to be weaker than the Ginyu Force!

[Draken]

I thought that they combined their energy waves...? You know, if you have a 100 Ozarus with power levels of 10,000 each, then their combined blast would be 1,000,000, letting it kill first form Freeza? I don't have a problem with that; I like that technique and we've seen it be done in the movies.

But I do have a problem with this: he disregarded the manga statement that said Freeza first form's power level was 530,000, and changed it to 53,000.

Dafq? And he claims he's more canon because he sticks to the manga ._.

[TheGmGoken]

I thought that they combined their energy waves...? You know, if you have a 100 Ozarus with power levels of 10,000 each, then their combined blast would be 1,000,000, letting it kill first form Freeza? I don't have a problem with that; I like that technique and we've seen it be done in the movies.

But I do have a problem with this: he disregarded the manga statement that said Freeza first form's power level was 530,000, and changed it to 53,000.

Dafq? And he claims he's more canon because he sticks to the manga ._.

I honestly got a quote on that. It was a few pages when I posted this but discussion made it ignored.

Okay I wanted to drop the subject. I wanted to really. I'm sorry if this is getting on some of y'all nerves. But I sent this email before I made the posted about DBM vs DBGT canon. I just got the email yesterday or today(forgot). But here it is.

Le 30/06/2013 03:05, Tv Wonders a écrit :
> Do you think DBM is more canon than DBGT?

It's not a matter of think

Only the manga is canon, only thing written in the 42 volumes of the
manga are canon. Any other production isn't.
DBGT isn't canon. DBM isn't canon.

As for trying to follow the canon and stay in it, I'd say DBM is doing a
better job than DBGT.

So I change my opinion. I would't say Salagir thinks DBM is canon but he believes it follows the manga(Which his definition of Db Canon is only the manga of the 42 volumes) better than DBGT. So his personal canon have DBM more canon than DBGT so I was some-what correct and wrong at the same time. Depends how you take his message.

[Draken]

Right, he thinks he's following the manga. Then he puts Freeza at 53k?

[TheGmGoken]

Right, he thinks he's following the manga. Then he puts Freeza at 53k?

Let's compare GT to DBM. Make everyone seem weak but Goku and Vegeta(SSj4) - DBGT. Kinda follows DBZ as Goku and Vegeta was the 2 man power trip

DBM - Make anyone stronger than logic allows for the sake of plot. Even power haxed Broly and have the nerve to say DBGT was bad with power scaling. I still question on how Gatch ot Gant (The powerful Namek. I forgot his name) is so strong. Let alone on how he was born.

[Draken]

Right, he thinks he's following the manga. Then he puts Freeza at 53k?

Let's compare GT to DBM. Make everyone seem weak but Goku and Vegeta(SSj4) - DBGT. Kinda follows DBZ as Goku and Vegeta was the 2 man power trip

DBM - Make anyone stronger than logic allows for the sake of plot. Even power haxed Broly and have the nerve to say DBGT was bad with power scaling. I still question on how Gatch ot Gant (The powerful Namek. I forgot his name) is so strong. Let alone on how he was born.

Gast was fusing with different clans of Namekians which isn't possible in the manga.

[TheGmGoken]

SO he thinks DBM follows the manga than DBGT? Only credit I give Salgir is that he didn't include dead people who didn't go to fighting heaven. I would enjoy DBM more if he wasn't a cocky guy who thinks fan-made stuff is more canon than DBGT. Now I'm constantly comparing it and more strict on DBM logic. Since he thinks it follows the manga then I'm going be much more strict on his logic.

[hleV]

He doesn't think DBM is more canon than GT... He only said DBM does a better job following the manga. Basically, GT is official but sucks, DBM is unofficial but doesn't suck that much.

[TheGmGoken]

He doesn't think DBM is more canon than GT... He only said DBM does a better job following the manga. Basically, GT is official but sucks, DBM is not official but doesn't suck that much.

Canon to him is the manga only correct? DBM to him follow the manga better. Which means he thinks DBM follows the canon better than GT. Meaning both are non canon but DBM is more canon than DBGT.

Sad truth is. I'm not even twisting his words. He came right out and sad it. I also said his personal canon and it depends on how you take the message. So you can take one way and I can take it another.

[hleV]

You have no idea what you're talking about. I could write a fanfic or draw a fanmanga which follows the original manga more closely. That wouldn't make it any more canon than GT is, just better.

[TheGmGoken]

You have no idea what you're talking about. I could write a fanfic or draw a fanmanga which follows the original manga more closely. That wouldn't make it any more canon than GT is, just better.

Yes I do. Even Draken agreed with me. I even admitted to be wrong and right at the same time. As I said. It depends on how you take the message. Saying I have no idea is just rude. As I interpret the message differently. IF someone indeeds write a manga sequel to DB(Z portion) that follows the ending perfectly and more closely. Either 4 things going to happen:

A. He/She is going to get cocky and say *Insert name of manga* is more canon
B. What DBM's author. With a message that can be interpret differently
C. Fans are going to say the manga is more canon(Fans say DBM is more canon than DBGT)
D. Nothing happens and it's just a fan manga

[hleV]

You're definitely interpreting it wrong.

Both GT and DBM are non-canon to Salagir. There's no such thing as "more" or "less" canon to him. DBM has less contradictions to the manga than GT, that's all. Like I said, I could write a fanfic which follows the manga. It wouldn't be more canon than GT is, just better at following the manga.

[DNA]

I take it the same way. He is implying that his work supersedes the official work of professionals and claiming that GT is non-canon. No matter how you cut it, GT follows the Z continuity.
Discussions of canon in Dragon Ball are retarded when you've got four or five continuities running at the same time. Look at the alternate timeline for example; the manga tells it one way, the anime tells it another way and then the TV special comes and tells it yet another way. The anime flashbacks are not even compatible with the TV Special.

Furthermore, Salagir's work does not follow the manga, it is as filled with plot holes and contradictions as GT, if not worse.

[TheGmGoken]

I take it the same way.

Same way as you previously stated or with HLVN?

Discussions of canon in Dragon Ball are retarded when you've got four or five continuities running at the same time. Look at the alternate timeline for example; the manga tells it one way, the anime tells it another way and then the TV special comes and tells it yet another way. The anime flashbacks are not even compatible with the TV Special.

Pretty much History of Trunks lol. Didn't we get like 2 - 4 differ versions on how the Z fighters fought and died against the Android. Also when did Trunks get the sword. IT changes with every flashback