Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[KaiserNeko]

I really, really, really wanted to enjoy this movie much more than I did, but I felt that it lacked the impact of the Jump Special and what made the past DBZ movies enjoyable.

I guess this movie is not for those who strongly love old DBZ movies, which lack real stories.

the problim isn't that it has a real story it's that it dosen't have much fighting and what's there isn't that good and they do nothing importent in the first 43 minuts that could have been used to make the movie better in terms of adding more fights and giving the charecter's more screen time

The first half is spent on character interaction and world building. Introducing Whis, Bills, setting the stage with Bulma's birthday, introducing a somewhat awkward but still humorous B-plot with Pilaf and the gang that ends up tying in decently with the main plot. These things may seem like fluff, but rushing through to the fighting would have just made it ANOTHER DBZ MOVIE, but this time with a higher budget. I mean, come on guys: Isn't it NICE to actually have real character interaction? World building? Story? I mean, yeah, I wish the entire gang could have had some fights as well. But what we got was still entertaining.

[Dr. Machismo]

Good for you, I don't want to take the time to explain why I don't like your idea .

You could have just said so instead of giving off a rude tone and ignoring what I had just said

[TheGmGoken]

I request constructive criticism on your part.

I just hate it when fans think their ideas are superior to what already works . What you think is bull shit, I think is a neat idea. Despite what people say, I actually like SSJ God. If Humans and Namekians can have a god, the Saiyans can have one too.

Humans had Gods? Does Kami(Dende and Piccolo's other half) count as Human gods? Isn't a god in the human part just a Job? Namekian has gods? Don't you mean the Grand Elder?

@Kaiser

The first half is spent on character interaction and world building. Introducing Whis, Bills, setting the stage with Bulma's birthday, introducing a somewhat awkward but still humorous B-plot with Pilaf and the gang that ends up tying in decently with the main plot. These things may seem like fluff, but rushing through to the fighting would have just made it ANOTHER DBZ MOVIE, but this time with a higher budget. I mean, come on guys: Isn't it NICE to actually have real character interaction? World building? Story? I mean, yeah, I wish the entire gang could have had some fights as well. But what we got was still entertaining.

When I first went to see this(Before the dvd came out) I enjoyed the 1st half being gags. Reminded me of the good old Dragonball. I just didn't like the 2nd half that ruined the movie for me. I hated SSG(I explained this many times) and pretty much the fighting. I do hate the whole 12 Universes idea until I found out they weren't like Alt. Universe but just another universe. In short. A bigger galaxy so to speak. But if only this came out during the 80's or 90's. That way it could be seen more. I feel like they added to something that doesn't needed to be added but it's nice to have. What I want to know is. WHO THE HELL was that Saiyan with Vegeta's amour and that tail. Also I count this as a film and the other movies as movies. I know they're basically thee same meaning but it's easier to separate them IMO.

[sintzu]

what we got was still entertaining.

when i wait 10 years for a new dbz movie i want something more then entertaining

[KaiserNeko]

You could have just said so instead of giving off a rude tone.

Well, while you can take issue with his tone, it's certainly his right not to like your idea and not elaborate on why. We don't all have the time, energy, or interest in elaborating on our personal opinions.

I'm not a huge fan either, but that's just because the whole Cat VS. Dog thing just doesn't sound all that entertaining to me in the first place. It paints Bills, a fantastic antagonist/villain, as primarily "evil", which I don't necessarily agree with at all... even though he's hugely selfish and destroys planets. Though, that is part of his job, so it's hard to call him necessarily "evil"; just part of a bigger picture. As well, the dog concept arises primarily FROM Bills being a cat; it doesn't serve as a proper counterpoint, but more as a clunky contrivance to match an aspect that didn't even need to be elaborated on in the first place. As well, Bills is a counterpoint to the Kaio-shin; he is the destroyer. They are the builders. As such, the dog would serve no purpose.

what we got was still entertaining.

when i wait 10 years for a new dbz movie i want something more then entertaining

It sounds like you wanted more fighting. Which most of the second half of the movie is made up of.

[TheGmGoken]

You could have just said so instead of giving off a rude tone.

Well, while you can take issue with his tone, it's certainly his right not to like your idea and not elaborate on why. We don't all have the time, energy, or interest in elaborating on our personal opinions.

Bills is a counterpoint to the Kaio-shin; he is the destroyer. They are the builders. As such, the dog would serve no purpose.

Funny thing is. Birsu is a cat. Kaip-shin looks like a fish. Cat vs Fish

[JulieYBM]

I didn't see problem with the first half being story and character-focused. The problem comes with the obvious missing chunks of the storyboard providing an uneven experience. Toei's budget for this film is non-existent and it really kills me. The second Hagane no Renkijutsushi series had brilliant animation and directing, why the Hell doesn't a film for Toei's largest international property even match it? Few talent and even little money was spent on the film and that is just embarrassing.

The dialogue and casting are literally the only two superb elements of the movie. Toriyama and Watanabe managed to re-cement the comic's Gokuu in the minds of the audiences and I'm happy for that. Toriyama has always tried to share the story before, so I'm hoping he will return for the next film to help show everyone off.

I'm also hoping Toei does a special extended cut of this film for whenever it first airs on Fuji TV. Although that could be a year from now, with the way things are.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I request constructive criticism on your part.

I just hate it when fans think their ideas are superior to what already works . What you think is bull shit, I think is a neat idea. Despite what people say, I actually like SSJ God. If Humans and Namekians can have a god, the Saiyans can have one too.

Humans had Gods? Does Kami(Dende and Piccolo's other half) count as Human gods? Isn't a god in the human part just a Job? Namekian has gods? Don't you mean the Grand Elder?

The humans had a God before Kami.

[TheGmGoken]

The humans had a God before Kami.

I think that was a EARTHLING not a human. As I say again. Human gods are more or less a Job. While SSG, the Kais(I'm guessing), and the Gods of destruction are REAL gods.

[sintzu]

It sounds like you wanted more fighting. Which most of the second half of the movie is made up of.

wich most of it wasn't that good

[Dr. Machismo]

Well, while you can take issue with his tone, it's certainly his right not to like your idea and not elaborate on why. We don't all have the time, energy, or interest in elaborating on our personal opinions.

It's true that he doesn't give constructive criticism if he doesn't want to, but he made it seem as if I was doing something wrong by being confident with my idea. In a nutshell

Me: What do you think of my idea?
Him: It sucks.
Me: Constructive criticism?
Him: Ah, I just hate it when people think their ideas are better than actual ones. Your idea is bullshit.

If he didn't want to express why he didn't like it, he could have just said so instead of almost completely ignoring my request. He made no acknowledgement that I had made one either. He could have just not responded at all.

[KaiserNeko]

It sounds like you wanted more fighting. Which most of the second half of the movie is made up of.

wich most of it wasn't that good

Jeeze... am I the ONLY one here who actually enjoyed most of the fighting? The biggest issue I took was that some of it just moved too fast and was obstructed by that OBNOXIOUS SSJ GOD AURA.

Oh, and yeah. That aura was awful; really wish they'd just animated it traditionally.

[TheGmGoken]

It sounds like you wanted more fighting. Which most of the second half of the movie is made up of.

wich most of it wasn't that good

To be fair.

The fights went like this.
BeatDown(Z fighters vs Cat)
Gag(Gotenks vs Birsu)
Serious(Vegeta vs Birsu)
The 4th best fight in the series IMO(Goku vs Birsu round 2. THe other 3 are Freeza vs Goku, Freeza vs everyone, and Cell vs Goku. Going by the manga btw since this movie has manga traits.)

Still I'll say I STILL don't like the movie . Just my opinion.

Jeeze... am I the ONLY one here who actually enjoyed most of the fighting? The biggest issue I took was that some of it just moved too fast and was obstructed by that OBNOXIOUS SSJ GOD AURA.

Read my post then . But the aura(s) in this movie SUCKED. But yea Goku vs Birsu was the only good fight. Which was the only fight that wasn't a beatdown

[TheMightyOzaru]

The humans had a God before Kami.

I think that was a EARTHLING not a human. As I say again. Human gods are more or less a Job. While SSG, the Kais(I'm guessing), and the Gods of destruction are REAL gods.

I call the Earthlings humans.

[TheGmGoken]

The humans had a God before Kami.

I think that was a EARTHLING not a human. As I say again. Human gods are more or less a Job. While SSG, the Kais(I'm guessing), and the Gods of destruction are REAL gods.

I call the Earthlings humans.

So the Dog president is a human? Earthlings - Lives on Earth or are from Earth. Such as a Dolphin is an Earthling. Not a human. So I THINK(No source) they other gods was Earthling(s) not humans.

[Dr. Machismo]

The dog was a King

[TheMightyOzaru]

So the Dog president is a human? Earthlings - Lives on Earth or are from Earth. Such as a Dolphin is an Earthling. Not a human. So I THINK(No source) they other gods was Earthling(s) not humans.

I call those furries, which is what they are .

[TheGmGoken]

So the Dog president is a human? Earthlings - Lives on Earth or are from Earth. Such as a Dolphin is an Earthling. Not a human. So I THINK(No source) they other gods was Earthling(s) not humans.

I call those furries, which is what they are .

Well they are. But they're still earthlings .

[Koga316]

The inconsistencies bug me too. How was going barely able to keep up with Bills at SSJG, but able to keep up in the best action scene of the movie as SSJ1 when he got wrecked earlier on as a SSJ3 that did worse than Vegeta at SSJ2 that somehow did better than Gohan (who can turn SSJ again) and Majin Buu? Why does King Kai have is planet back? *sigh* Sorry...I'm only this picky because this is apparently considered canon. And this movie is too much a cluster **** for me to see at as so. If it wasnt canon I would consider it one of if not the best DB movie. I loved the feel of it actually being an anime movie. The feel of it being DBZ without forgetting that it was DB first. The animations are beautiful. I LOVED how Videl's pregnancy was announced and how even during a serious time Gohan was so happy about it. Its jus with this being canon. Its hard for me to except this

[KaiserNeko]

The inconsistencies bug me too. How was going barely able to keep up with Bills at SSJG, but able to keep up in the best action scene of the movie as SSJ1 when he got wrecked earlier on as a SSJ3 that did worse than Vegeta at SSJ2 that somehow did better than Gohan (who can turn SSJ again) and Majin Buu? Why does King Kai have is planet back? *sigh* Sorry...I'm only this picky because this is apparently considered canon. And this movie is too much a cluster **** for me to see at as so. If it wasnt canon I would consider it one of if not the best DB movie. I loved the feel of it actually being an anime movie. The feel of it being DBZ without forgetting that it was DB first. The animations are beautiful. I LOVED how Videl's pregnancy was announced and how even during a serious time Gohan was so happy about it. Its jus with this being canon. Its hard for me to except this

King Kai's Planet: They wished it back. He made a new one. There are SO MANY WAYS to explain why, but that doesn't really -matter-.

SSJ/SSJG:

Spoiler:

Bills himself points out that Goku barely powered down at all after losing his SSJ God form because his body accounted for the difference in power. Literally, he explains why. He also says Goku, because of that, might truly be a fighting genius.

Vegeta: I've actually explained this one earlier.

2. Easily explained: In that instant, his power spiked ridiculously high because of an emotional break. It's not a huge gap in logic to believe a Super Saiyan 2 can be more powerful than a Super Saiyan 3 for a few moments if that individual lets out all of their power at once. If you'll notice, Vegeta seems to have exhausted his energy with that short attack.

Also: Gohan does NOT turn Super Saiyan. While that WAS a mistake in production, they fixed it.