"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed May 17, 2017 11:50 am

SansrivaaL wrote:Trunks: Goku's amazing... he can actually fight with Zamasu head on.
Vegeta: Kakarot can control the overflowing power of blue and contain it. (at least something like this, Vegeta's saying the power of blue overflows and comes out, but Goku can contain it)
Trunks: ?
Vegeta: The weakness of blue where you can only fight to your full potential in a short while.... Kakarot overcame it.
Trunks: Then... right now Goku is?
Vegeta: He's constantly fighting at a 100%... he's perfected Super Saiyan Blue.
Ok....
Lmao! :lol: So not only do we get a weakness never talked about before but a solution to said weakness in other words he retroactively watered down SSGSS so that Goku going up against Zamasu can now work? Pretty similar to his Vegeta SSG crap he pulled.... Toyo needs to learn how to write this is getting so bad, because when he draws his art is on point but his writing is letting him down, in my opinion a lot.

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Post by perucho1990 » Wed May 17, 2017 11:51 am

sintzu wrote:
Vegeta got Black all to himself so I guess it's fair to give Goku something.

We also don't know what will happen when Zamasu defuses, for all we know Vegeta could take on Black again.

What I'm interested in is how will Zeno play into this and if Goku can take care of this then why will we get an Ultimate Trunks ?
An easy solution wouldve been letting Goku fight Black, it was disappointing Goku never fought Black in the manga.

Like I said before, Goku will remember about the button, he will press it and summons Mirai Zeno, the controversy that would case if Merged Zamasu attacks Zeno and sends him flying :lol:

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 17, 2017 11:52 am

Lord Beerus wrote:You raise your battle power in every form. It isn't exclusive to SSJ2.
When did someone make his transformation boost stronger before Vegeta & Trunks?
And the rage boost wasn't exclusive to SSJ2 either. It just raised Vegeta's battle power overall as a whole several times over. It would have had the same effect if he was a SSJ, like he was in the movie.
This arc shows that the boost was only for his SS2 form, and it was permanent. Either that, or Vegeta is 2000 times stronger than Goku. Which he isn't, so we have only one option left.
But it wasn't even necessary. And if was wanted to, he didn't need to power down.
You have missed the whole point of Vegeta going Blue. He didn't want to show him "Hey, I'm stronger than you!", he wanted to show him Blue in order for Cabba to aim for the highest form & become stronger.
IKevinX wrote:Didn't Vegeta already master Super Saiyan Blue before?
It appears they mastered different flaws of the form. Vegeta overcame SSB's weakness of being unable to transform repeatedly, while Goku overcame the stamina drain issue.
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Post by sintzu » Wed May 17, 2017 11:53 am

mfwlegend3 wrote:I feel bad for Vegeta fans. He's getting shit on so damn hard. Sure, he """"defeated"""" Black, but that was short lived.
How is being 2nd only to the franchise's main character bad ? Goku didn't even fight Black (so far) but Vegeta beat him not once but twice.
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Post by mfwlegend3 » Wed May 17, 2017 11:56 am

sintzu wrote:How is being 2nd only to the franchise's main character bad ?
Completely fodderized in this chapter and the last. At least we're on GT levels now by having Goku solo against Zamasu.
Goku didn't fight Black at all
Yeah, that's never going to happen as far as I can tell. If Zamasu defuses, and then Black decides to fight Goku, Black will just get his ass kicked by Mastered SSB.
Vegeta beat him not once but twice.
Which was horrible.

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Post by sintzu » Wed May 17, 2017 11:58 am

mfwlegend3 wrote:Which was horrible.
His fight with Ssj2 Vegeta was one of the manga's best drawn fights. I think the 2nd one was too short though.
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Post by Totamo » Wed May 17, 2017 11:59 am

So the anime had Trunks, the manga has Goku.



I think I preferred Trunks

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Post by mfwlegend3 » Wed May 17, 2017 12:01 pm

sintzu wrote:His fight with Ssj2 Vegeta was one of the manga's best drawn fights
That's subjective. I found Goku vs Hit better drawn than any of the fights in the FT arc. I also don't like how Black is drawn period in the manga.
I agree that the 2nd one though was too short.
First fight was humiliating and was the first step into making Manga Black utter garbage. Not only that, but I didn't like the whole "SSG/SSB switcheroo" nonsense in the second fight.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Wed May 17, 2017 12:01 pm

Anime - Goku fucks around with the Mafuba and becomes 10 times stronger, at least.

Manga - Goku suddenly realizes how to master SSBlue and does so.

God, it's likes a double fronted assault of stupid. I dread to think what'll happen in the next chapter.
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Post by Basako » Wed May 17, 2017 12:05 pm

Vegeta is getting kicked hard in one page, I bet he is distracting MZ so Trunks does whatever to restore Goku. Well, this is classic, I mean the distraction.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed May 17, 2017 12:05 pm

Shouldn't Merged Zamasu have defused by now? Especially with all the fancy tricks he's been doing? He must have burned through the time limit.

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Post by Basako » Wed May 17, 2017 12:07 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Shouldn't Merged Zamasu have defused by now? Especially with all the fancy tricks he's been doing? He must have burned through the time limit.
Apparently not yet.
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Post by SaiyanGod117 » Wed May 17, 2017 12:08 pm

The writing quality in the anime and manga are not that much different, since there essentially telling the same story. Anyways the FT arc was written like shit through and through, to actually fix it you would have to rewrite the whole thing, not some sprinkled revising here and there.

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Post by LuckyCat » Wed May 17, 2017 12:09 pm

Apparently all disciples of Kaioshin can heal (like Kibito) and since Trunks trained with (future) Kaioshin, Trunks realizes he can heal too (but only one person).

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed May 17, 2017 12:15 pm

When did someone make his transformation boost stronger before Vegeta & Trunks?
I didn't meant the multiplier of the form was increased, I mean that you can make your can collectively make your Super Saiyan forms stronger through training. Which is what Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, Goten and Present Trunks did.
This arc shows that the boost was only for his SS2 form, and it was permanent. Either that, or Vegeta is 2000 times stronger than Goku. Which he isn't, so we have only one option left.
It is never stated to be permanent as that is not how "Rage Boosts" work. Just because it's the only other option doesn't make it any more true or acceptable than the other alternative of Vegeta becoming monstrously stronger through training.
You have missed the whole point of Vegeta going Blue. He didn't want to show him "Hey, I'm stronger than you!", he wanted to show him Blue in order for Cabba to aim for the highest form & become stronger.
Did he need to power down? And he could have also told Cabba to watch is fight with Hit to have an idea of what sort of strength he should be aiming for.

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Post by IKevinX » Wed May 17, 2017 12:17 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
IKevinX wrote:Didn't Vegeta already master Super Saiyan Blue before?
It appears they mastered different flaws of the form. Vegeta overcame SSB's weakness of being unable to transform repeatedly, while Goku overcame the stamina drain issue.
Those should go along hand to hand though. Should've at least.



Well, at least Goku getting such a power boost by controlling Blue gives us further indication (At least) that mastery of the God form is better than fusing. (callback to Vegetto being to weak to go up against Beerus)
But still, this perfected Blue isn't stronger than Beerus aswell.
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Post by Ki Breaker » Wed May 17, 2017 12:18 pm

LuckyCat wrote:Apparently all disciples of Kaioshin can heal (like Kibito) and since Trunks trained with (future) Kaioshin, Trunks realizes he can heal too (but only one person).
So manga gohan should theoretically be able to do it?
Or the students are taught and trunks learned it off-screen?
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Post by Basako » Wed May 17, 2017 12:24 pm

IKevinX wrote:Well, at least Goku getting such a power boost by controlling Blue gives us further indication (At least) that mastery of the God form is better than fusing. (callback to Vegetto being to weak to go up against Beerus)
But still, this perfected Blue isn't stronger than Beerus aswell.
Vegetto too weak? Looks like you don't remember last chapter. Vegetto was beating MZ easily, he just burned his time. In this chapter Goku has not won anything yet and he is the one looking exhausted in the last page, not MZ.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed May 17, 2017 12:24 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:
LuckyCat wrote:Apparently all disciples of Kaioshin can heal (like Kibito) and since Trunks trained with (future) Kaioshin, Trunks realizes he can heal too (but only one person).
So manga gohan should theoretically be able to do it?
Or the students are taught and trunks learned it off-screen?
Yeah, Gohan should technically have the ability to heal people, too. But does Future Trunks have the ability to only heal one person at a time, or just one person overall?

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Post by IKevinX » Wed May 17, 2017 12:25 pm

Basako wrote:
IKevinX wrote:Well, at least Goku getting such a power boost by controlling Blue gives us further indication (At least) that mastery of the God form is better than fusing. (callback to Vegetto being to weak to go up against Beerus)
But still, this perfected Blue isn't stronger than Beerus aswell.
Vegetto too weak? Looks like you don't remember last chapter. Vegetto was beating MZ easily, he just burned his time. In this chapter Goku has not won anything yet and he is the one looking exhausted in the last page, not MZ.
I meant in the BOG arc.
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