"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by Basako » Wed May 17, 2017 12:30 pm

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LuckyCat wrote:Apparently all disciples of Kaioshin can heal (like Kibito) and since Trunks trained with (future) Kaioshin, Trunks realizes he can heal too (but only one person).
So manga gohan should theoretically be able to do it?
Or the students are taught and trunks learned it off-screen?
Yeah, Gohan should technically have the ability to heal people, too. But does Future Trunks have the ability to only heal one person at a time, or just one person overall?
I wouldn't be sure about Gohan, he may not have obtained the same training or disciple status. But maybe he can.

The explanation why he can only heal one could be lack of experience using it, he falls right after.

But we shouldn't make conclusions without traductions.
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Post by Totamo » Wed May 17, 2017 12:32 pm

SaiyanGod117 wrote:The writing quality in the anime and manga are not that much different, since there essentially telling the same story. Anyways the FT arc was written like shit through and through, to actually fix it you would have to rewrite the whole thing, not some sprinkled revising here and there.
Thats a lie, you can easily fix this story by adding things.

In fact thats how you can fix all of super.Adding things that matter. These stories were meant for movies, put this crap in 2 hour form and it would actually be decent.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed May 17, 2017 12:35 pm

Yeah... I'm really not digging the concept of Goku suddenly gaining the ability to master SSJB and use it fight evenly with Merged Zamasu. The anime also took the dumb and cheap route with SSJB Goku just powering up even more to overwhelm Merged Zamasu in the beam struggle. But at least they threw in the Kaioken on top of SSJB to soften the blow. Either way, this shows that in Toriyama's outline, a plot point is for Goku to suddenly become powerful enough to hold his own against Merged Zamasu. What a stupid plot point. There's no way you could have made this make any sense.

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Post by Totamo » Wed May 17, 2017 12:42 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Yeah... I'm really not digging the concept of Goku suddenly gaining the ability to master SSJB and use it fight evenly with Merged Zamasu. The anime also took the dumb and cheap route with SSJB Goku just powering up even more to overwhelm Merged Zamasu in the beam struggle. But at least they threw in the Kaioken on top of SSJB to soften the blow. Either way, this shows that in Toriyama's outline, a plot point is for Goku to suddenly become powerful enough to hold his own against Merged Zamasu. What a stupid plot point. There's no way you could have made this make any sense.
the anime could have had Goku had gone ssbkkx20 and it would have made sense to as Vegeta and ssj2 trunks pushed it back. It was also only an instant


Goku is literally not only fighting him but beating him, making Vegetto unnecessary even more than it already was, it also downgrades zamasu even more.


I knew he make it worse. Toyo is a bad writer.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed May 17, 2017 12:47 pm

Totamo wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Yeah... I'm really not digging the concept of Goku suddenly gaining the ability to master SSJB and use it fight evenly with Merged Zamasu. The anime also took the dumb and cheap route with SSJB Goku just powering up even more to overwhelm Merged Zamasu in the beam struggle. But at least they threw in the Kaioken on top of SSJB to soften the blow. Either way, this shows that in Toriyama's outline, a plot point is for Goku to suddenly become powerful enough to hold his own against Merged Zamasu. What a stupid plot point. There's no way you could have made this make any sense.
the anime could have had Goku had gone ssbkkx20 and it would have made sense to as Vegeta and ssj2 trunks pushed it back. It was also only an instant


Goku is literally fighting him evenly here
It obviously a plot point in Toriyama's outline for SSJB Goku, in some capacity, to fight evenly with Megred Zamasu. It can't be avoided. Even it makes no fucking sense and throws the power scaling out of whack.
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Post by TheSaiyanGod » Wed May 17, 2017 12:48 pm

Is it not possible that Zamasu is weakened because of the fight against Vegetto?

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Post by Totamo » Wed May 17, 2017 12:49 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
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Lord Beerus wrote:Yeah... I'm really not digging the concept of Goku suddenly gaining the ability to master SSJB and use it fight evenly with Merged Zamasu. The anime also took the dumb and cheap route with SSJB Goku just powering up even more to overwhelm Merged Zamasu in the beam struggle. But at least they threw in the Kaioken on top of SSJB to soften the blow. Either way, this shows that in Toriyama's outline, a plot point is for Goku to suddenly become powerful enough to hold his own against Merged Zamasu. What a stupid plot point. There's no way you could have made this make any sense.
the anime could have had Goku had gone ssbkkx20 and it would have made sense to as Vegeta and ssj2 trunks pushed it back. It was also only an instant


Goku is literally fighting him evenly here
It obviously a plot point in Toriyama's outline for SSJB Goku, in some capacity, to fight evenly with Megred Zamasu. It can't be avoided. Even it makes no fucking sense, throws the power scaling out of whack.
I doubt its that specific but you could be right.

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Post by SaiyanGod117 » Wed May 17, 2017 12:50 pm

Totamo wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:The writing quality in the anime and manga are not that much different, since there essentially telling the same story. Anyways the FT arc was written like shit through and through, to actually fix it you would have to rewrite the whole thing, not some sprinkled revising here and there.
Thats a lie, you can easily fix this story by adding things.

In fact thats how you can fix all of super.Adding things that matter. These stories were meant for movies, put this crap in 2 hour form and it would actually be decent.
Not in my eyes. Sure you can add some expansion and some extra lines of dialogue, but it will still be a contrived; convoluted mess. The events that lead up from the beginning to the end are just too jumbled and messy. Ultimately, the FT arc was nothing but pandering and appeasing fans. It didn't benefit the characters at all.

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Post by HeroR » Wed May 17, 2017 12:52 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:Vegeta: Wait Trunks, if you can only restore our physical power for 1time then do it to Kakarot.
Trunks: Why?
Vegeta: The only one who can fight in SSJB against Zamasu on an equal footing isnt me but Kakarot.
So whats going on? even after his RoF time Goku's still for some reason above Vegeta?
Vegeta being stronger than Goku was all just a fandom dream. You should have saw this coming when Goku by himself melted Merged Zamasu's face. The manga only confirmed it.
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Post by Kanassa » Wed May 17, 2017 12:54 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: The anime also took the dumb and cheap route with SSJB Goku just powering up even more to overwhelm Merged Zamasu in the beam struggle.
Goku didn't even overwhelm Zamasu, his blast pierced Zamasu's attack, going through it's centre and hitting Zamasu.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by Namz » Wed May 17, 2017 12:58 pm

How even there are people who say Goku is stronger than Zamasu now. Clearly he's losing but intends to lasts the one hour time
https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/8 ... 76/photo/1

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Post by SansrivaaL » Wed May 17, 2017 12:59 pm

HeroR wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:Vegeta: Wait Trunks, if you can only restore our physical power for 1time then do it to Kakarot.
Trunks: Why?
Vegeta: The only one who can fight in SSJB against Zamasu on an equal footing isnt me but Kakarot.
So whats going on? even after his RoF time Goku's still for some reason above Vegeta?
Vegeta being stronger than Goku was all just a fandom dream. You should have saw this coming when Goku by himself melted Merged Zamasu's face. The manga only confirmed it.
Yea I was one of the guys saying Goku was above SSJRage Trunks and SSJB Vegeta because of that but people were saying "nah it wasnt Goku's blast but Zamasu's blast exploding on him that made him gooey" or "both of Goku's hands were down and out hence why he did more damage, Vegeta is still stronger"

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Post by HeroR » Wed May 17, 2017 1:05 pm

Totamo wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:The writing quality in the anime and manga are not that much different, since there essentially telling the same story. Anyways the FT arc was written like shit through and through, to actually fix it you would have to rewrite the whole thing, not some sprinkled revising here and there.
Thats a lie, you can easily fix this story by adding things.

In fact thats how you can fix all of super.Adding things that matter. These stories were meant for movies, put this crap in 2 hour form and it would actually be decent.
Only Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' were 'meant to be movies'. The rest was made for a TV series. Unless have some proof that "stories were meant for movies", you're just making stuff up.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by LightBing » Wed May 17, 2017 1:05 pm

Did Goku master SSJB that suddenly? Or are people taking a couple of lines and panels, concluding that's all she wrote? From my understanding information is still (very much) incomplete.

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Post by SansrivaaL » Wed May 17, 2017 1:09 pm

Namz wrote:How even there are people who say Goku is stronger than Zamasu now. Clearly he's losing but intends to lasts the one hour time
https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/8 ... 76/photo/1
Yea basically
Goku: Damn... I knew doing it this instant would be a little difficult.... my body is worn down...
Zamasu: Dont get ahead of yourself, you saiyans have a bad habbit of overestimating your powers.
Goku: Then you'll come back brand new? knock it off already.
I'm not sure with this trans tho since Goku used a word I'm not familiar with. I dont know if he's trying to throw a jab or anything.

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Post by HeroR » Wed May 17, 2017 1:11 pm

SansrivaaL wrote: Yea I was one of the guys saying Goku was above SSJRage Trunks and SSJB Vegeta because of that but people were saying "nah it wasnt Goku's blast but Zamasu's blast exploding on him that made him gooey" or "both of Goku's hands were down and out hence why he did more damage, Vegeta is still stronger"
Goku definitely had to limit-break, but the fact remains he melted Merged Zamasu's face and had enough energy to attack and even go Kaioken when Trunks and Vegeta together did shit against Merged Zamasu.

Honestly, the bigger loser is Vegetto. In the anime, Vegetto weakened Merged Zamasu for Trunks. Here, he bought the team what 15 minutes?

More than anything, I want to know why Trunks haven't been shown healing until now? Is there a limit?
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by SansrivaaL » Wed May 17, 2017 1:13 pm

HeroR wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote: Yea I was one of the guys saying Goku was above SSJRage Trunks and SSJB Vegeta because of that but people were saying "nah it wasnt Goku's blast but Zamasu's blast exploding on him that made him gooey" or "both of Goku's hands were down and out hence why he did more damage, Vegeta is still stronger"
Goku definitely had to limit-break, but the fact remains he melted Merged Zamasu's face and had enough energy to attack and even go Kaioken when Trunks and Vegeta together did shit against Merged Zamasu.

Honestly, the bigger loser is Vegetto. In the anime, Vegetto weakened Merged Zamasu for Trunks. Here, he bought the team what 15 minutes?

More than anything, I want to know why Trunks haven't been shown healing until now? Is there a limit?
From the visuals and how Vegeta said it, it seems healing 1 person is his limit. He was probably saving it for a crucial time.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 17, 2017 1:15 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I didn't meant the multiplier of the form was increased, I mean that you can make your can collectively make your Super Saiyan forms stronger through training. Which is what Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, Goten and Present Trunks did.
I know that, but we are not talking about this. Future Trunks & Vegeta made their SS2 multipliers bigger, which is something no one has done before. So far, this is SS2 exclusive.
It is never stated to be permanent as that is not how "Rage Boosts" work.
"Rage boost" is a fan-term, and Vegeta's rage boost was never compared to Gohan's or Oob's.
Just because it's the only other option doesn't make it any more true or acceptable than the other alternative of Vegeta becoming monstrously stronger through training.
OK then, believe that Vegeta is 2000 times stronger than Goku then.
Did he need to power down? And he could have also told Cabba to watch is fight with Hit to have an idea of what sort of strength he should be aiming for.
SSB drains his power, so he did need to power down. Also, Vegeta hadn't decided to use SSB against Hit yet, and he wanted Cabba to experience the power of SSB, not just see it in a fight, which is why he defeated him with it.
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Post by DHM211 » Wed May 17, 2017 1:21 pm

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Jinzoningen MULE wrote: The manga doesn't have Kitano drawing the last chapter, it literally can't be worse.
Only the first half of 67 looked bad. The second half actually looked really good.
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Post by HeroR » Wed May 17, 2017 1:21 pm

SansrivaaL wrote: From the visuals and how Vegeta said it, it seems healing 1 person is his limit. He was probably saving it for a crucial time.
One person a day? An hour?

I just find it strange that Toyo couldn't foreshadowed this other than "Trunks trained with the Supreme Kai". Couldn't he have Trunks heal someone or himself when he fought Dabura in the Future Majin attack? This just seems out of nowhere.

And before someone says it, I am not using a double standard. Although I loved the theme of Trunks using the Spirit Bomb to sliced Merged Zamasu, I never liked how it was never explained and it came out of nowhere, but that is beating a dead horse at this point.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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