Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TheMightyOzaru]

No, here's the exact quote:

Vegeta: “Someone with a battle ability of about 5,000...!!”
Nappa: “5,000?! That’s impossible! It has to be a mistake.”
Vegeta: “It’s truly an unthinkable figure for the old Kakarot. What’s more, the people here are able to alter their figures…So 5,000 could just be his minimum.”

Only Vegeta thinks this could be the tip of the iceberg. If he were truly just surprised by it being higher than it should be, he would be a little more collected like Vegeta. The Daizenshuus have a few errors here and there but the Battle Powers given have no reason to be disputed. They've worked for years.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm pretty sure characters can decided whatever to kill beat up, or KO their adversary. Since if I can remember no accident kills ever happen. Goku even spared Freeza with his Ki blast(Angry Kamehameha in games).

Because they can alway restrain their power or just not hit their opponents very hard. But in Nappa's case, Kaioken ensured that Goku had a power level of 16.000 and Goku couldn't avoid hitting him very hard because he was traveling at a speed higher than his maximum speed without Kaioken.

All he did was hit his back. He made him handicapped. Wasn't an attack that would kill him.

[dprez]

Because databooks and guides aren't above error, nor they are to be treated as some sort of bible of information of a series whose author isn't even known for his carefully and well planned plot or his impeccable memory regarding them. Nor are the teams who frequently work in the Dragon Ball franchise known for never making mistakes or for always having things very well thought out.

Preach!

The guidebooks are awesome, but I don't believe a few things in there when I see and interpret otherwise from the manga.

[rereboy]

No, here's the exact quote:

Vegeta: “Someone with a battle ability of about 5,000...!!”
Nappa: “5,000?! That’s impossible! It has to be a mistake.”
Vegeta: “It’s truly an unthinkable figure for the old Kakarot. What’s more, the people here are able to alter their figures…So 5,000 could just be his minimum.”

Only Vegeta thinks this could be the tip of the iceberg. If he were truly just surprised by it being higher than it should be, he would be a little more collected like Vegeta. The Daizenshuus have a few errors here and there but the Battle Powers given have no reason to be disputed. They've worked for years.

Nappa was already doubting the existence of multiple power readings of over 1000 when they arrived. And even after having witness it with his eyes, he was still surprised and in some disbelief that Tenshinhan could be stronger than a Saibamen. How do you think such a character would react to a reading of 5000? Like he had regarding the readings of over 1000?

Just think about it, even if Nappa's power level is higher than 4000, something like 5000 or 5000 or even 6000, an unexpected reading of 5000 is still cause for shock and alarm. That is still dangerously close to his power level. And he knows, like Vegeta does, that it could be even higher. Why wouldn't a Nappa with a power level of 5000, 5500 or 6000 reach exactly the same way upon hearing that? He would have to be 4000 to react that way? I think not.

[rereboy]

All he did was hit his back. He made him handicapped. Wasn't an attack that would kill him.

So your argument is that a attack to the back can't ever be fatal, no matter the force? I disagree.

[TheGmGoken]

^ No double posting please.

So your argument is that a attack to the back can't ever be fatal, no matter the force? I disagree.

It was fatal. We never seen it in the series before. So I would't be surprised if the back is the strongest body part in DB-DBZ.

[DNA]

^ No mini-modding please.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No, here's the exact quote:

Vegeta: “Someone with a battle ability of about 5,000...!!”
Nappa: “5,000?! That’s impossible! It has to be a mistake.”
Vegeta: “It’s truly an unthinkable figure for the old Kakarot. What’s more, the people here are able to alter their figures…So 5,000 could just be his minimum.”

Only Vegeta thinks this could be the tip of the iceberg. If he were truly just surprised by it being higher than it should be, he would be a little more collected like Vegeta. The Daizenshuus have a few errors here and there but the Battle Powers given have no reason to be disputed. They've worked for years.

Nappa was already doubting the existence of multiple power readings of over 1000 when they arrived. And even after having witness it with his eyes, he was still surprised and in some disbelief that Tenshinhan could be stronger than a Saibamen. How do you think such a character would react to a reading of 5000? Like he had regarding the readings of over 1000?

Just think about it, even if Nappa's power level is higher than 4000, something like 5000 or 5000 or even 6000, an unexpected reading of 5000 is still cause for shock and alarm. That is still dangerously close to his power level. And he knows, like Vegeta does, that it could be even higher. Why wouldn't a Nappa with a power level of 5000, 5500 or 6000 reach exactly the same way upon hearing that? He would have to be 4000 to react that way? I think not.

Nappa had to be told they could raise their power levels. I don't think he would even consider the idea that Kakarot could raise his, especially since he already thinks 5,000 is impossible. Like I said before. If it truly weren't a problem for Nappa, he would be a little more collected like Vegeta. His BP is 4,000 nuff said. Seriously, it's not a like 4,000 can't work. There's really no reason to argue with it if it can work. Honestly it annoys me when people disregard official information that DOES work.

[dprez]

Yea, but it may not work for us. Is it really so hard to believe, when 18,000 (vegeta) can't touch 20,000(dodoria), but 4,000 can fight evenly with 8,000?

[TheGmGoken]

^ No mini-modding please.

Nice picture btw. Where you get it from.

[rereboy]

Nappa had to be told they could raise their power levels. I don't think he would even consider the idea that Kakarot could raise his, especially since he already thinks 5,000 is impossible. Like I said before. If it truly weren't a problem for Nappa, he would be a little more collected like Vegeta. His BP is 4,000 nuff said. Seriously, it's not a like 4,000 can't work. There's really no reason to argue with it if it can work. Honestly it annoys me when people disregard official information that DOES work.

Nappa had been told that their power levels change ever since Vegeta told him as much and ordered him to remove his scouter. So, no, he knew. You are just interpreting his words as you want to.

And personally, it annoys me when fans consider indirect and secondary official information as gospel, especially in series like this where information like that either comes from the author who doesn't give a shit about that, probably doesn't even remember it and probably didn't even plan all those details with utmost care so that they were all extremely coherent and logical, or comes from teams of people who are also interpreting the series or are interpreting the series with a very limited input of said author.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Nappa had been told that their power levels change ever since Vegeta told him as much and ordered him to remove his scouter. So, no, he knew. You are just interpreting his words as you want to.

Way I want to? Aren't you doing the same? It can easily be interpreted as "Oh shit I can't handle 5,000" =/. Again, this level works, you shouldn't disregard it because YOU think it's too small. A lot of people accept 4,000 because it does work.

[dprez]

Nappa had been told that their power levels change ever since Vegeta told him as much and ordered him to remove his scouter. So, no, he knew. You are just interpreting his words as you want to.

Was gonna add this to, but again, we are seen how other "close" battle powers match up. I think it is reasonable to believe that the guidebook statement of Nappa's battle power of 4,000 to be a bit off, when we see Nappa fight more or less evenly with 8,000 Goku for a while.

[rereboy]

Way I want to? Aren't you doing the same? It can easily be interpreted as "Oh shit I can't handle 5,000" =/. Again, this level works, you shouldn't disregard it because YOU think it's too small. A lot of people accept 4,000 because it does work.

I kindly refer you to this post of mine:

Why don't we all just agree that there are enough indicators to sustain different opinions regarding Nappa's power level? Yes, some things seem to not make much sense if we consider Nappa's power level to be close to Goku's 8000. But on the other hand other things also seem to not make much sense if we consider his power to only be 4000. That's all there is to it.

Personally, I think it would make most sense if Nappa was somewhere between 5000 and 5500 or 6000.

As you can see, I acknowledge the multiple valid interpretations of the subject. If there's anyone fixating on only one interpretation rest assured that it isn't me.

Also, I edited my previous post regarding guidebooks. See, that why I won't limit myself to believe that his power level must or should be 4000. If I feel that a higher power level fits better, it won't be just because of what the guidebook says that I will suddenly begin to think that its the official number that fits better.

[TheGmGoken]

@rereboy where did you get that picture from?

[rereboy]

Don't really remember. Probably from the avatar topic of this section.

[TheGmGoken]

Don't really remember. Probably from the avatar topic of this section.

IT DOESN'T" MATTER WHERE YOU GOT THE PICTURE!

[DNA]

Mine is a custom, it was made for me by a friend.

[TheGmGoken]

Mine is a custom, it was made for me by a friend.

Damn it you replied to late! I was going to do to you what I did to Rereboy.

[DNA]

First you mini mod then you derail the topic with macros and memes. Not cool bro.