Unpopular DB opinions

[Hellspawn28]

Thw moments with Mr. Satan are the only thing that I liked about Movie 11. The rest of the film is awful and is my least favorite DBZ movie ever. DBZ Movie 2, 4 and 6 are pretty bad too. I like Movie 6 when I was younger and now I find it to be pretty bad. Metal Coola is just a rehash of Mecha Freeza and they didn't do anything really new this time around.

[Kid Buu]

I have to say I really like DBZ Movie 4. While it's true it rips off King Piccolo and early Namek, all of the movies recycle stuff from the manga and at least this film picked some of the manga's better arcs to copy. I also love the fighting. False SSJ is awesome, Piccolo actually gets to be a badass, and Gohan is actually useful without relying on POTENTIAL. Although the Genki Dama ending is a bit too much.

[Ringworm128]

Funimation's dub of Kai has more solid writing and acting but the dub that's used for the season sets has the better cast

[Looneygamemaster]

Guess I might as well repeat it in this thread: Jouji Yanami is not a good voice-actor. He has a nice voice, but he can't act with it.

Also, I don't know how much regard fandom really has for it...but episode 194 of DBZ is pointless (and that goes for the chapter it's adapting too). We already know Trunks is going to bring peace to his future, do we really need to see it? Trunks is so strong that there's no drama, and the villains' nastiness isn't played up enough to induce catharsis at their defeat.

[Storm]

I actually agree with both of your opinions. Movie 11 is a lot of fun, and I don't care that Broly was turned into slime-monster mainly because I don't really care for Broly anyways.

I watched movie 11 for the first time a while ago, and after the years of hatred and vitriol against it...I was almost underwhelmed by how inoffensive it is. Sure, it brings Broly back again, and Broly dies for a stupid reason, but it was great to see more of 18, Kuririn and Mr. Satan, and the kids were entertaining enough. I think it just has such an awful reputation, it's overcome the actual movie.

Honestly, I probably like it more than 10, which if not for the Father Son Kamehameha, would be quickly forgotten by everyone without a care in the world.

[Kid Buu]

Okay, now that I'm on the 10th and final arc of the Dragon Ball series, I'm gonna say it:

I don't like Son Goku.

It's true that Goku is cute, innocent, optimistic, charming, and determined. I liked him best in the Pilaf arc, where he was being easily manipulated by Bulma as her weapon against foes. But he never really goes through much internal struggle in the series and I find him stale after a while. I think Namek is the best example of this: he shows up twice, both times to save Gohan & Kuririn and beat the enemy. We do get the character arc of him looking for a successor in the last two saga, but that just makes him look even worse. How are you going to entrust your 7 year old son, who just had his first real fight at the Junior Budokai earlier that day, to clean up a mess YOU created?

[TheGmGoken]

Yes many people find Goku as jackass now and don't like him as much.

But he never really goes through much internal struggle in the series and I find him stale after a while.

Just curious how would Goku get an internal struggle?

[Kid Buu]

Just curious how would Goku get an internal struggle?

When he first goes SSJ, he mentions to Gohan how feels like he is losing his cool. I think I'd make his SSJ more evil, kind of similar to his Oozaru, except without the easy tail weakness and to actually be able to speak. Kind of a cliche to have characters grow stronger through a dark side and they have to overcome that, but I'd be interesting to see Goku have some sort of inner conflict.

[TheGmGoken]

Just curious how would Goku get an internal struggle?

When he first goes SSJ, he mentions to Gohan how feels like he is losing his cool. I think I'd make his SSJ more evil, kind of similar to his Oozaru, except without the easy tail weakness and to actually be able to speak. Kind of a cliche to have characters grow stronger through a dark side and they have to overcome that, but I'd be interesting to see Goku have some sort of inner conflict.

But to be fair. As the fight goes on. Goku got more and more calm(Until Freeza mentioned Krillin then Goku got calm again). So I don't think SSJ has that "Evil" feeling for long. I honestly can't see Goku in having an inner conflict. He got that Red disease. For Pokemon Fans Red disease(Well....most Pokemon video game Main characters characters that are NOT the rivial) is where your character can't really be expanded upon on after like the first two or three arcs. Goku is a easy character(Cheap in writing though). He loves Food, fighting, and friends. Mess with his friends he'll fuck you up. Fight him. Expect a good fighter. Feed him. Expect to lose 1% of Earth's food. Goku's a cheap character and up until Boo Arc that's why everyone loves him.

[Kid Buu]

Yeah, his only real flaw is that he is naive. It's possible to argue he becomes smarter as the series goes on, but even in the final arc he's easily manipulated and sucker punched by Vegeta, then his plan to have the kids have Buu backfires big time.

[GsTvo]

- The Dragon Ball's movies are for the moments when you dont have anything to do, because for me all of them are the same, and all of them are poor (except Battle of Gods in 70%). Always the bad guy appears and defeat everyone, until Goku (or in some ocassion another character) got some extra power and defeat the bad guy. However, I highlight the good animation in all of them (except Battle of Gods), and yes... I like Broly.

- Dragon Ball Kai was good for Japanese people, but here in South America, men... it was a disaster.

- I dont like the fact that "Goku vs Vegeta" never ended with a real winner.

- I hate the "Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock", its so bad...

- I dont like "Dragon Ball GT" but I thing that have the best OST of the whole Dragon Ball series.

I dont remember something else, so thats my unpopular DB opinions.

[TheGmGoken]

- I hate the "Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock", its so bad...

- I dont like "Dragon Ball GT" but I thing that have the best OST of the whole Dragon Ball series.

Are these 2 really unpopular?

I see people saying GT had the best score and people hate EOB. Though I love it which put me in the minority

[Kid Buu]

Actually TheGmGoken you mentioned "Goku's a cheap character and up until Boo Arc that's why everyone loves him" but the latter part of the Buu arc when he comes back to life is the first time I liked Goku in a long time. It's the first time he has a proper team-up with Vegeta (except for some minor stuff like Return of Cooler) and I like them as a dynamic duo. Their adventures in Buu's stomach was actually pretty funny.

[Looneygamemaster]

I sometimes see people speaking fondly of Goku acknowledging his Saiyan heritage, as though it's a huge character-defining moment, and my response is...really? It's hardly plagued him throughout the story; heck, he cheerfully tells Kaio he's a Saiyan. It's a nice idea to have him refuse what he is (so oddly, the filler on Kaio's planet does better in that regard than the canon material), but it's not even really brought up until Vegeta's death.

Admittedly, that scene does give weight to when Goku becomes a Super Saiyan, in which it seems that Goku has fully given into his instincts, which makes him frightening in a sense. But that's really just a show for the audience; it doesn't enrich him as a character at all.

[90sDBZ]

I like Budokai 2 better than Budokai 1 and the entire Tenkaichi/Sparking Trilogy.

[ABED]

I sometimes see people speaking fondly of Goku acknowledging his Saiyan heritage, as though it's a huge character-defining moment, and my response is...really? It's hardly plagued him throughout the story; heck, he cheerfully tells Kaio he's a Saiyan. It's a nice idea to have him refuse what he is (so oddly, the filler on Kaio's planet does better in that regard than the canon material), but it's not even really brought up until Vegeta's death.

Admittedly, that scene does give weight to when Goku becomes a Super Saiyan, in which it seems that Goku has fully given into his instincts, which makes him frightening in a sense. But that's really just a show for the audience; it doesn't enrich him as a character at all.

At all? Not even a little? I'm in agreement that the idea wasn't as well executed as it could've been, but it does indicate that he's not in denial of that part of himself.

As to someone else's point about Super Saiyan should've made Goku more evil, I disagree. More aggressive, sure, but not evil.

Not sure what "cheap character" means. Seemingly every writer is trying to make their characters more shades of grey and complicated. Sometimes it's nice to have something simple and assuring.

How are you going to entrust your 7 year old son, who just had his first real fight at the Junior Budokai earlier that day, to clean up a mess YOU created

Gohan was 5 when he fought the Saiyans and Freeza, 7 is hardly too young. I don't really want to get into this again, one could argue that he created it, but he couldn't clean it up.

[Kid Buu]

As to someone else's point about Super Saiyan should've made Goku more evil, I disagree. More aggressive, sure, but not evil.

Okay, I can go with that.

Gohan was 5 when he fought the Saiyans and Freeza, 7 is hardly too young. I don't really want to get into this again, one could argue that he created it, but he couldn't clean it up.

Uh, he specifically says he could have beaten Fat Buu when he first fought him.

[ABED]

I don't know if it's unpopular, but it's certainly not a popular opinion - I like the Goku's late for party episode towards the end of DBZ. I think that was a more fitting end to the series than the one Toriyama wrote.

He specifically says he could have beaten Fat Buu when he first fought him.

He says the opposite as well, and given Toriyama's penchant for writing by the seat of his pants, I'm going with it being a plot hole. Goku has made questionable decisions before for the sake of a fight, but it's always been so he could fight. This isn't consistent with his character. Let's just agree to disagree on this issue.

[Saiga]

No, that definitely IS a popular opinion. 90% of the time I've seen that episode mentioned it's by people saying the exact same thing you just did.

[ABED]

No, that definitely IS a popular opinion. 90% of the time I've seen that episode mentioned it's by people saying the exact same thing you just did.

Really? Interesting.