Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[KaiserNeko]

The degree that lol boost increased Vegeta's strength was ridiculous. I can agree that anger can make him stronger. But over a 4x boost is silly.

Or, how about...

"Power levels are bullshit!"

[TheGmGoken]

Goku gets to do anything, and then when a small bone gets tossed to someone else, they start to bicker over whether it's right or not. This is why we can't have nice things!

Vegeta didn't do shit. He do zero damage to Birsu and got K.Oed. That's like saying Krillin did something against Perfect Cell or that USSJ Trunks did something to Perfect.

Vegeta exhausting all his power as SSJ2 in that one barrage was more powerful than simple, calculated attacks by SSJ3 Goku. I can buy that.

So Vegeta got a higher rage boost than Gohan. Vegeta got a higher than a 4x rage boost. Seems legit. No it doesn't. It seems like jus like the smell I get when watching it. BULLSHIT

"Power levels are bullshit!"

Not power levels and wasn't funny at ALL

[Kakarot88]

Not to mention, this was Cell Saga Vegeta. You can only expect him to care so much.

NICE!! Yeah at that point he's not gonna be blowing himself up for anybody

[penguintruth]

Bullcrap. Trunks was KILLED in the Cell Games. Bulma was temporarily injured by Bils with a slap. She was up and bitching again a few moments later. For him to be more enraged by that is complete nonsense. I've been more injured stubbing my toe. Bulma probably gets more injured during sex.

[dbzfan7]

The degree that lol boost increased Vegeta's strength was ridiculous. I can agree that anger can make him stronger. But over a 4x boost is silly.

Or, how about...

"Power levels are bullshit!"

When you have a guy clearly admit he loves Vegeta as Watanabe clearly stated he was the secret star, it all makes sense why it happened. He wanted Vegeta to have a moment no matter how little sense it made.

Or that.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Bullcrap. Trunks was KILLED in the Cell Games. Bulma was temporarily injured by Bils with a slap. She was up and bitching again a few moments later. For him to be more enraged by that is complete nonsense.

The rage boost probably didn't happen in the Cell Games because he was technically still a bad guy back then, while he is a completely good guy now.

[Hellspawn28]

If at the moment Vegeta was more powerful than Goku, he should have transformed into SSJ3, at least.

Which would have also been bullcrap. Vegeta can't surpass Goku if he can't even go SSJ3, and he shouldn't be able to do so.

The statement came from Roshi. I would take that with a grain of slat if I were you.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The statement came from Roshi. I would take that with a grain of slat if I were you.

And why is that?

[TheGmGoken]

Nah but Vegeta's base was weaker AND it was Trunks not Bulma who got hurt, you never mess with a man's woman.

Gohan got mad when Videl got beat. I guess SSJ Gohan should be stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Goku has gotten rage boosts too all the saiyans have it's called "Super Saiyan" lol

SSJ is not a rage boost. It's a transformation trigger by rage. It's not like Gohan who got a rage boost on top of a SSJ2.

When you have a guy clearly admit he loves Vegeta as Watanabe clearly stated he was the secret star, it all makes sense why it happened. He wanted Vegeta to have a moment no matter how little sense it made.

This. That Vegeta fanboy could't control himself. I'm shocked Vegeta didn't become SSG. I mean 2 v1. SSG Goku was getting his ass kicked anyways. He needed the support.

[KaiserNeko]

Goku gets to do anything, and then when a small bone gets tossed to someone else, they start to bicker over whether it's right or not. This is why we can't have nice things!

Vegeta didn't do shit. He do zero damage to Birsu and got K.Oed. That's like saying Krillin did something against Perfect Cell or that USSJ Trunks did something to Perfect.

Vegeta exhausting all his power as SSJ2 in that one barrage was more powerful than simple, calculated attacks by SSJ3 Goku. I can buy that.

So Vegeta got a higher rage boost than Gohan. Vegeta got a higher than a 4x rage boost. Seems legit. No it doesn't. It seems like jus like the smell I get when watching it. BULLSHIT

"Power levels are bullshit!"

Not power levels and wasn't funny at ALL

"4x boost!" "5x boost!"

Why is it impossible, sometimes, to let the drama and excitement just be that? There's an easy explanation that I've listed SEVERAL TIMES, but you'd rather nitpick battle powers and posture over Super Saiyan forms.

Let me put it this way:

One version of Son Goku uses a FULL POWER KAMEHAMEHA on an opponent. It does damage to the opponent. He's exhausted his energy.

A second version of Son Goku uses a 1/4 power Kamehameha on an opponent. It does not do damage. He tries against three more times, but because they're just such low energy, they don't really do any damage. He's exhausted his energy.

Vegeta exhausted his energy in a single barrage. Goku, on the other hand, barely spent any of his power at all.

Boom. Done. Easy, simple explanation.

[penguintruth]

It's just plain bad writing by a Vegeta fan. It's an imperfect movie, I have no problem with that, but defending that is getting silly. "Well maybe Vegeta WAS more powerful IF..."

No. He's not. He's Vegeta. He's not more powerful than Goku. That ship sailed a very long time ago. He will never for a moment ever be more powerful than Goku any more than some day I'll be smarter than Stephen Hawking for just a moment. (I guess if he dies I'll be smarter than his corpse.)

[TheGmGoken]

The statement came from Roshi. I would take that with a grain of slat if I were you.

And why is that?

Piccolo could't tell if Vegeta was stronger than Nappa. 18k vs 4k. ROshi is in the 100's. That's a BILLION's of difference

Why is it impossible, sometimes, to let the drama and excitement just be that? There's an easy explanation that I've listed SEVERAL TIMES, but you'd rather nitpick battle powers and posture over Super Saiyan forms.

Because your explanation are 100% right. Yup. Let's listen to everything you say. Nope. Vegeta age was BULLSHIT.

Vegeta exhausted his energy in a single barrage. Goku, on the other hand, barely spent any of his power at all.

Boom. Done. Easy, simple explanation.

Still disagree.

[dbzfan7]

If at the moment Vegeta was more powerful than Goku, he should have transformed into SSJ3, at least.

Which would have also been bullcrap. Vegeta can't surpass Goku if he can't even go SSJ3, and he shouldn't be able to do so.

The statement came from Roshi. I would take that with a grain of slat if I were you.

Goku confirms he did get surpassed.

[KaiserNeko]

If at the moment Vegeta was more powerful than Goku, he should have transformed into SSJ3, at least.

Which would have also been bullcrap. Vegeta can't surpass Goku if he can't even go SSJ3, and he shouldn't be able to do so.

The statement came from Roshi. I would take that with a grain of slat if I were you.

Goku confirms he did get surpassed.

Aaactually, no he doesn't. He just says that Vegeta became "an AWESOME Super Saiyan!" He never says Vegeta was stronger than him.

Another thing one could account for: Vegeta may have caught Bills by surprise there.

[TheGmGoken]

If at the moment Vegeta was more powerful than Goku, he should have transformed into SSJ3, at least.

Which would have also been bullcrap. Vegeta can't surpass Goku if he can't even go SSJ3, and he shouldn't be able to do so.

The statement came from Roshi. I would take that with a grain of slat if I were you.

Goku confirms he did get surpassed.

Which is sad. Vegeta got above 5x boost. While GOhan the king of Rage Boost never got anything that high. Hell the rage boost itself is randomly animate d in. It went like

Birus slaps Bulma
Vegeta: *GASP*
Vegeta: HOW DARE YOU DO THAT TO BULMA

Another thing one could account for: Vegeta may have caught Bills by surprise there.

Did you not see Birsu's face? He did.

[Hellspawn28]

Because Goku ALWAYS WINNING gets old.

Was that needed to be explained? Besides Goku haven't won since Freeza in a fight. Cut him a break .

He defeated nearly every DBZ movie villain, killed Buu, every main GT villain and the won the fight against the main villain in the 2008 Jump Special. Goku has won enough in my opinion.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Piccolo could't tell if Vegeta was stronger than Nappa. 18k vs 4k. ROshi is in the 100's. That's a BILLION's of difference

Since when did battle powers had ANYTHING to do with ki sensing?

It's just plain bad writing by a Vegeta fan. It's an imperfect movie, I have no problem with that, but defending that is getting silly. "Well maybe Vegeta WAS more powerful IF..."

I agree that Vegeta getting a rage boost is stupid, but that doesn't prevent me from making up an explanation.

No. He's not. He's Vegeta. He's not more powerful than Goku. That ship sailed a very long time ago. He will never for a moment ever be more powerful than Goku any more than some day I'll be smarter than Stephen Hawking for just a moment. (I guess if he dies I'll be smarter than his corpse.)

Well, Roshi disagrees with you, and you are just in denial.

[dbzfan7]

Aaactually, no he doesn't. He just says that Vegeta became "an AWESOME Super Saiyan!" He never says Vegeta was stronger than him.

Another thing one could account for: Vegeta may have caught Bills by surprise there.

Unless the subs I'm watching are wrong. The one's I watched had Goku say Vegeta surpassed him at that point.

In them Vegeta says back then I definitely exceeded you. And Goku said without a doubt.

[TheGmGoken]

Since when did battle powers had ANYTHING to do with ki sensing?

Because Piccolo could't tell if Vegeta or Nappa was stronger. I put up their battle power because I was showing Nappa and Vegeta's power levels. Notice Piccolo could't tell who was stronger.

Well, Roshi disagrees with you, and you are just in denial.

The gap from Roshi is to huge for Roshi to properly sense ki and compare Goku and Vegeta

[KaiserNeko]

Aaactually, no he doesn't. He just says that Vegeta became "an AWESOME Super Saiyan!" He never says Vegeta was stronger than him.

Another thing one could account for: Vegeta may have caught Bills by surprise there.

Unless the subs I'm watching are wrong. The one's I watched had Goku say Vegeta surpassed him at that point.

In them Vegeta says back then I definitely exceeded you. And Goku said without a doubt.

Naw, he just says, "Next time I'm God! And you'd best co-operate!" Goku replies, "Of course!"