Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

Having Cold reach his natural form is just cool. It doesn't need to be very relevant to the plot. But I do agree that making his power be that high without a proper explanation doesn't make much sense.

[omegalucas]

At this point, i'm surprised we still didn't got Birus or Uis/Uisu/Whis. I wonder if they will appear? Maybe at the very end, watching everything from faraway?

Sagir2(Shit can't spell his name for crap lol) don't think Battle of Gods is canon. He said only the original 42 volumes of the manga is canon. Plus if he includes Whis and Birsu then he have to include Tarble as well since the movie mentioned him.

Actually he posted in this thread, yesterday, that he doesn't know if he's going to use the stuff from BoG or not because he hasn't seen the movie yet (and that's a good reason I think).

The FAQ as quoted here is deprecated. Davidstarlingm re-translated it very recently, thanks to him. Here is the updated version :

Dragon Ball -not-Z movies didn't happen.
DBZ Movies 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 didn't happen.
Movie 6 (Coola) happened in many DBM universes, but differently (there will be a special chapter).
Movie 8 (Broly) happened, but with slight differences (read here).
Movie 9 (Bojack) happened, and turned out badly in universe 6.
Movie 10 (Broly's Return) happened, but the story is completely different.
Movies 11 and 12 didn't happen.
Movie 13 (Tapion) happened, with slight differences, in Universe 18 and in Universe 16. It also happened very differently in Universe 3.
The Dr. Raichi OAV may have happened in another universe not shown in the tournament. We'll tell you more later.
The Baddack TV Special happened, in most of the universes, except Baddack can't see the future. In universe 3, it happened differently.
The Trunks TV Special didn't happen in universes 16 and 18, but happened in universes 12 and 14.
The Tarble Movie didn't happen.
The new Badadck TV Special where he goes to the past didn't happen.
The new Movie (Battle of Gods)? We didn't see it so we don't know yet.
DBGT and the DBGT TV Special didn't happen.

[RandomGuy96]

Making him higher than Freeza period violates what the manga said.

And no, "because I think it looks cool" is not reason enough to pointlessly retcon the manga. Even if you want Cold to have a final form, why does it have to be so strong? Like I said he can be weaker than Freeza and the plot would not change, and you can still have your cool looking transformation.

[DNA]

Having Cold reach his natural form is just cool. It doesn't need to be very relevant to the plot. But I do agree that making his power be that high without a proper explanation doesn't make much sense.

Exactly, that's what we're discussing, doing things at random for the sake of being cool makes the plot a convoluted mess of arbitrary events that happen for no discernible reason. Things just happen because they look cool. That is not good writing at all.

[omegalucas]

Having Cold reach his natural form is just cool. It doesn't need to be very relevant to the plot. But I do agree that making his power be that high without a proper explanation doesn't make much sense.

Exactly, that's what we're discussing, doing things at random for the sake of being cool makes the plot a convoluted mess of arbitrary events that happen for no discernible reason. Things just happen because they look cool. That is not good writing at all.

Actually, it's a plot point. He has seen the fights that happened before and how powerful the other contestants are. The best course of action would be transforming. Also, considering the Kaioshins are surprised with the whole Z-Sword thing, he feels like it's better to do it right now, just in case. The second transformation was more for "rule of cool" though.

[miguelnuva1]

Cold being stronger than Frieza never really bothered me but him being 16 level does.

[Kamiccolo9]

Wait. Cold was pregnant?

[TonyTheTiger]

On a lighter note, those pages remind me of another plot point with no payoff:

WHY HAVE WE NOT SEEN WHAT OLD KAI WANTS IN EXCHANGE!!!!!

[Hellspawn28]

I think he's just bored.

Aren't we all? I'm fucking bored with this doujinshi.

You really hate DBM a lot don't you?(.)

DBM has been going on for 5 years and the plot goes nowhere. I thought we would be done by now, instead we just get pointless filler and specials were nearly all of them are crap. I will be surprise if they make a DBM2 seeing that Salagir has been doing this comic for a long time now.

[RandomGuy96]

Actually, it's a plot point. He has seen the fights that happened before and how powerful the other contestants are. The best course of action would be transforming. Also, considering the Kaioshins are surprised with the whole Z-Sword thing, he feels like it's better to do it right now, just in case. The second transformation was more for "rule of cool" though.

How does that make it a plot point? It's gratitutous, unnecessary, and serves only to retcon something that was very clearly outlined in the manga.

Chapter: 329 (DBZ 135), P12.3
Tenshinhan: “It…it’s not just one…There’s another absurdly large ki…”

Note: it's Freeza and Cold.

Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P9.7
Yamcha: “So this guy called ‘Fr…Freeza’ has such terrible…ab…absurdly large ki…?”
Gohan: “This isn’t it…he gets much, much stronger…!”

Note: the same isn't said for Cold. Cold = Suppressed Mecha Freeza.

Chapter: 331 (DBZ 137), P3.5
Freeza: “It’s an honor that my name should be known on this planet so far removed from the rest of the galaxy…However, unfortunately you don’t seem to know that I have the greatest power in the universe…”

Note: this is said right in front of Cold, who just stands there letting Freeza order him around.

Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P13.3-4
Cold: “The Earthlings don’t matter, but the Super Saiyan alone we absolutely must exterminate, by any means. The one who holds the greatest power in the universe must without a doubt be our clan”

Note: as far as Cold knows, the only thing this guy has done is defeat Freeza after a decent fight. This is enough for him to automatically declare this unknown guy the strongest in the universe. This line obviously makes no sense if Cold could do the same thing.

Chapter: 332 (DBZ 138), P6.1-2
Context: after Trunks kills Freeza
Cold: “My, you are capable, aren’t you? Marvelous, truly more than I imagined…To think that you could wipe my son Freeza out in that instant…How about it? Will you take Freeza’s place and become my child? Certainly you, the strongest in the universe, are qualified to join my clan.”

Note: all it took for Cold to declare this guy the strongest in the universe was for him to kill a SUPPRESSED Mecha Freeza. This line obviously makes no sense if Cold is even as strong as normal, 100% Freeza.

Chapter: 331 (DBZ 137), P9.1
Context: challenging Freeza and Cold
Trunks: “Come at me at full power right from the start. I’m not soft like Son Goku…”

If Cold has a crapload of extra power that's > Freeza in reserve, now would be the best time to use it. He doesn't, and just begs for mercy after Trunks kills suppressed Freeza.

[rereboy]

Having Cold reach his natural form is just cool. It doesn't need to be very relevant to the plot. But I do agree that making his power be that high without a proper explanation doesn't make much sense.

Exactly, that's what we're discussing, doing things at random for the sake of being cool makes the plot a convoluted mess of arbitrary events that happen for no discernible reason. Things just happen because they look cool. That is not good writing at all.

It depends. I like those cool bits. But if the main plot turns out to be shit, then they won't count for much.

Making him higher than Freeza period violates what the manga said.

And no, "because I think it looks cool" is not reason enough to pointlessly retcon the manga. Even if you want Cold to have a final form, why does it have to be so strong? Like I said he can be weaker than Freeza and the plot would not change, and you can still have your cool looking transformation.

If there was a plausible and valid reason explaining why he is stronger, there wouldn't be a problem. Like Cold only becoming stronger than Freeza when he managed to perfectly control his power in his natural state (his control over it would allow him to reach previously untapped top power) or something like that. The problem is that there isn't one.

[Sshadow5001]

On a lighter note, those pages remind me of another plot point with no payoff:

WHY HAVE WE NOT SEEN WHAT OLD KAI WANTS IN EXCHANGE!!!!!

Pretty sure Scarz covered it

[RandomGuy96]

...so wait, why is Zen Buu freaking out again? No really, I don't get it. Is it because he wanted to absorb Vegetto? If he wanted to do that so bad, why didn't he earlier, when he had Vegetto at his mercy?

[TheGmGoken]

Wait...why the hell is Videl so strong? It's fucking Videl!? Even if she HAD met the Z fighters I'm sure she would't become all of that. She would be more like Chi Chi( without being the bitch part IMO. How the hell can she manage the Kaioken.

The Tarble Movie didn't happen.

omegalucas:
Actually he posted in this thread, yesterday, that he doesn't know if he's going to use the stuff from BoG or not because he hasn't seen the movie yet (and that's a good reason I think).

The movie mentions Tarble. Unless he changes the movie to fit his story(I would't be surprised. ) then he should't use it. Also if he doesn't like the movie but likes DBM he is sure high of himself sure He'll be bias and say DBM > DBGT And BoG but DBM after 5 years is SHITTY. Also...wait till he see the movie o_O. I guess that means 1 - 9 more months of DBM! DAMN IT!

[RandomGuy96]

Lol, you sound like someone who has never read the comic...

Anyway, yeah, she can use the kaio-ken (x20, I'd assume) and with it has a power level in the tens of millions (the novelization says she's above King Cold's 'second form'). We don't know how she and the rest of the humans got so freakishly strong, but I bet it's going to be bullcrap...

Hey, is anyone really dreading the human special? Apparently these guys defeated Cooler and DABURA. Defeating the saiyans, Android 20, and even Cooler is one thing... but Dabura? It's going to be Future Gohan's special all over again... with the only somewhat relevant guy around (Kaioshin) not even appearing on-screen...

[TheGmGoken]

Lol, you sound like someone who has never read the comic...

I know right. Sorry about that. But there is a lot of unanswered questions.

Anyway, yeah, she can use the kaio-ken (x20, I'd assume and with it has a power level in the tens of millions (the novelization says she's above King Cold's 'second form'). We don't know how she and the rest of the humans got so freakishly strong, but I bet it's going to be bullcrap..

Yup. Bullcrap. I'm sorry but they being stronger than Dabura, 20, and Cooler? To me that's over kill. I would love for them to be the under dogs in this tourney. Wait how did Videl pull out the Z-sword!?

Future Gohan's special all over again..

When I first read that. I was like.... . He really was bad IMO.

[RandomGuy96]

I guess I don't really care about them managing to beat 20; they'd just need to get some god training + magical power ups for all (from the Namek elder) to put them in the multi millions (I wouldn't call bullshit on that as long as they were >10 million as they were implied to be in the millions a few times in the android arc), get some max kaio-ken, team up, and fight him before he releases the other androids. Hell, I might even be able to accept them taking out Cooler, as long as they do it before he transforms.

But Dabura? COME ON. There is no way they can survive him without it being major bullshit.

[Saiga]

And I thought I was the only one dreading the inevitable human wank.

I don't really have a problem with Videl being that strong, at least not any more as any of the other humans. We can't know what her limits are since she was never properly trained.

[RandomGuy96]

I would have Yajirobe take Videl's place. Imagine how crazy THAT would be. The guy has enormous potential; he did basically nothing but sit around and eat and yet he still had a power level in the hundreds, superior to masters who had trained their entire lives, like Roshi and Tenshinhan. Then he did basically no training at all during the wait for the saiyans; every time we see him he's just lounging around, and he didn't even learn to fly or use ki. Yet he still gets a power level of around 1,000 by doing nothing. What could he have done had he ACTUALLY trained...?

But yeah, like I said I don't have a problem with them beating 20 and Freeza/Cooler (cause you know they're going to fight the former too), as long as they make it believable by giving them power ups, have them fight as a team, and take them out before they can unleash the big guns. But Dabura? That's bullshit coming from a mile away. On top of that, Yamcha, who should be no stronger than U18's Android 17, is still considered a relevant fighter here. I wonder what he did in that 'verse though. He's not even remotely relevant against Dabura, making that massive power up pointless, so I suppose that Gero actually did unleash Androids 17 and 18, and then Yamcha somehow beat them...?

[TheGmGoken]

I would have Yajirobe take Videl's place. Imagine how crazy THAT would be. The guy has enormous potential; he did basically nothing but sit around and eat and yet he still had a power level in the hundreds, superior to masters who had trained their entire lives, like Roshi and Tenshinhan. Then he did basically no training at all during the wait for the saiyans; every time we see him he's just lounging around, and he didn't even learn to fly or use ki. Yet he still gets a power level of around 1,000 by doing nothing. What could he have done had he ACTUALLY trained...?

But yeah, like I said I don't have a problem with them beating 20 and Freeza/Cooler (cause you know they're going to fight the former too), as long as they make it believable by giving them power ups, have them fight as a team, and take them out before they can unleash the big guns. But Dabura? That's bullshit coming from a mile away. On top of that, Yamcha, who should be no stronger than U18's Android 17, is still considered a relevant fighter here. I wonder what he did in that 'verse though. He's not even remotely relevant against Dabura, so I suppose that Gero actually did unleash Androids 17 and 18, and then Yamcha somehow beat them...?

Yajirobe most likely have more hidden power than GOhan. That's barely a hyperbole