The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Angelus]

The Buus are repeatedly shown violating the laws conservation of energy and matter, and Goku explicitly states Pure Buu's stamina never seems to permanently fall. Toriyama himself has also stated that Buu doesn't even need energy. Mr. Buu would have already regained all of his power.
The external damage we saw on Mr. Buu from last time was gone. We also again have zero proof that Buu's regeneration has any such restrictions on it. Evidence? Because the opposite is pretty much stated and shown.

Well if that's the case, then Good Buu did already regenerated by then. Now that I think about it, Super Buu did have Mystic Gohan in there too, so he may have used Gohan's vast amount of ki for a "full heal" regen.

[Galan007]

Except there's no evidence of that. We directly saw Mr. Buu try to fight both Pure and Evil. He clearly did much better against the former.

Grey Buu landed a few physical attacks, of which showed no signs of slowing Mr. Buu down. Had Mr. Buu not beaten himself with a redirected chocolate beam, there's no evidence to suggest that their battle wouldn't have lasted just as long as Pure Buu's battle with Mr. Buu.

We also saw him shoot Candy Beams at both of them. Pure could only move out of the way, Evil blew it back. In a direct comparison, it's pretty clear which one did better.

"Pure Buu could ONLY move out of the way"..? You're acting like Pure Buu tried, and failed, to redirect the chocolate beam back at Mr. Buu, and 'had' to jump out of its way in a last ditch effort to stay alive. This was obviously not the case. Pure Buu opted to casually dodge the beam so that he could keep beating the crap out of Mr. Buu--ergo the smile on his face when he was doing so.

I don't have a problem with the opinion that Grey Buu>Pure Buu, but their showings against Mr. Buu's chocolate beam certainly do not express any sort of power differential between them.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think landing hits on Kid Boo means all that much. Kid Boo was pretty upset at first, but after Mr. Boo headbutted him and hit him with a Chi-blast, he was back to laughing again. He never took Mr. Boo seriously and was obviously playing around as he beat the crap outta him. If he wanted to vaporize him it would've been done.

Proof needed. This always come up, but it makes zero sense. Mr. Buu was pissing him off. If he had just wanted to stomp him, why wouldn't he have just done it, like he did with Vegeta?

By this logic, he was toying with Goku too. Their fights aren't actually all that dissimilar. Pure Buu just laughs a lot. He's goofy and psychotic. It's not an indication that he's not using full power.

Grey Buu landed a few physical attacks, of which showed no signs of slowing Mr. Buu down. Had Mr. Buu not beaten himself with a redirected chocolate beam, there's no evidence to suggest that their battle wouldn't have lasted just as long as Pure Buu's battle with Mr. Buu.

He had scratches. It was also far more than a few attacks. There was a panel indicating he landed a bunch of blows on Mr. Buu. He was beating him down effortlessly.

Here's the thing: even considering the length, Grey Buu did better than Pure Buu. Compare the first few panels of Pure vs Mr. to Evil vs Mr. Pure Buu used effort, got mad, and landed four or five hits while taking three and dodging one. Evil Buu casually crushed him, landing six to seven blows while taking none in return, and dodging two (without moving his legs).

"Pure Buu could ONLY move out of the way"..? You're acting like Pure Buu tried, and failed, to redirect the chocolate beam back at Mr. Buu, and 'had' to jump out of its way in a last ditch effort to stay alive. This was obviously not the case. Pure Buu opted to casually dodge the beam so that he could keep beating the crap out of Mr. Buu--ergo the smile on his face when he was doing so.

I don't have a problem with the opinion that Grey Buu>Pure Buu, but their showings against Mr. Buu's chocolate beam certainly do not express any sort of power differential between them.

He smiles all the time, even when he's clearly being wounded.

You're right, it doesn't. But it's still another impressive feat that Evil has and Pure doesn't.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Proof needed. This always come up, but it makes zero sense. Mr. Buu was pissing him off. If he had just wanted to stomp him, why wouldn't he have just done it, like he did with Vegeta?

Because Mr. Boo is stronger and obviously more durable than Vegeta. The fact that Mr. Boo outright admits he had no chance means he knew he couldn't do anything to Kid Boo.

By this logic, he was toying with Goku too.

Considering they were equal, no. Or are you trying to imply that Mr. Boo is in Kid Boo and Goku's league?

Their fights aren't actually all that dissimilar. Pure Buu just laughs a lot. He's goofy and psychotic. It's not an indication that he's not using full power.

Yeah, he certainly was using his full-power when he took his arm off and used it to pinball Mr. Boo around. That's a real indication he was trying to finish him off quickly and not play around with him....

[RandomGuy96]

Proof needed. This always come up, but it makes zero sense. Mr. Buu was pissing him off. If he had just wanted to stomp him, why wouldn't he have just done it, like he did with Vegeta?

Because Mr. Boo is stronger and obviously more durable than Vegeta. The fact that Mr. Boo outright admits he had no chance means he knew he couldn't do anything to Kid Boo.

By this logic, he was toying with Goku too.

Considering they were equal, no. Or are you trying to imply that Mr. Boo is in Kid Boo and Goku's league?

Their fights aren't actually all that dissimilar. Pure Buu just laughs a lot. He's goofy and psychotic. It's not an indication that he's not using full power.

Yeah, he certainly was using his full-power when he took his arm off and used it to pinball Mr. Boo around. That's a real indication he was trying to finish him off quickly and not play around with him....

Or, it means he couldn't win. That doesn't necessarily mean he was incapable of doing anything at all. His superiority to Vegeta wouldn't actually matter if he was still, like, x3 or x2 weaker than Pure Buu or something. The gap is so large that there wouldn't be any noticeable difference in performance.

He is, because he is shown to be. I actually think he could take Goku at the time, due to having vastly superior durability and stamina while not being that much weaker. And what actually shows them to be equal, if fights are apparently rendered invalid if Pure Buu laughs or does something silly?

At that point, he had already weakened Mr. Buu in the long off-screen battle. It's a similar case to Goku vs Cell, Gomu vs Freeza, and Super Buu vs Gotenks, though in those cases the weaker fighters were lucky enough to get pulled out before the fight degenerated to a beating. Heck, the same thing was happening when he fought Goku. He wasn't trying to finish anyone off quickly, but he clearly would prefer to just beat his enemies down rather than take unnecessary hits, as shown by his fight with Vegeta, and his annoyance at Goku and Mr. Buu.

[Galan007]

He had scratches. It was also far more than a few attacks. There was a panel indicating he landed a bunch of blows on Mr. Buu. He was beating him down effortlessly.

More like scuffs from hitting the dirt. Also, since when do scratches/scuffs on his person mean anything in regard to Buu's state of being?

A maximum of 7 physical strikes were delivered by Grey Buu before he redirected the chocolate beam. Relative to pretty much any noteworthy battle in DBZ, that does only equate to "a few" strikes. /shrug

Here's the thing: even considering the length, Grey Buu did better than Pure Buu.

He smiles all the time, even when he's clearly being wounded.

You're right, it doesn't. But it's still another impressive feat that Evil has and Pure doesn't.

Possibly. But again: even after Grey Buu's few-strike-melee, Mr. Buu showed no signs of slowing. Subsequently, my only point is that their battle may have very well lasted as long as Pure Buu and Mr. Buu's battle, had the chocolate beam not been a factor. No evidence excludes that as a possibility, imo.

But Pure Buu wasn't wounded OR in any sort of 'trouble', thus his smile suggests that he was just having fun with Mr. Buu... Toying with him... But I digress. Anyway, we've clarified that the method(s) in which Pure Buu and Grey Buu dealt with Mr. Buu's chocolate beam(s) doesn't mean a thing in regards to the power differential between them, so that's neither here nor there... Now, had Pure Buu tried, and failed, to redirect the beam, you'd have a point I couldn't contest.

[RandomGuy96]

He had scratches. It was also far more than a few attacks. There was a panel indicating he landed a bunch of blows on Mr. Buu. He was beating him down effortlessly.

More like scuffs from hitting the dirt. Also, since when do scratches/scuffs on his person mean anything in regard to Buu's state of being?

A maximum of 7 physical strikes were delivered by Grey Buu before he redirected the chocolate beam. Relative to pretty much any noteworthy battle in DBZ, that does only equate to "a few" strikes. /shrug

Here's the thing: even considering the length, Grey Buu did better than Pure Buu.

He smiles all the time, even when he's clearly being wounded.

You're right, it doesn't. But it's still another impressive feat that Evil has and Pure doesn't.

Possibly. But again: even after Grey Buu's few-strike-melee, Mr. Buu showed no signs of slowing. Subsequently, my only point is that their battle may have very well lasted as long as Pure Buu and Mr. Buu's battle, had the chocolate beam not been a factor. No evidence excludes that as a possibility, imo.

But Pure Buu wasn't wounded OR in any sort of 'trouble', thus his smile suggests that he was just having fun with Mr. Buu... Toying with him... But I digress. Anyway, we've clarified that the method(s) in which Pure Buu and Grey Buu dealt with Mr. Buu's chocolate beam(s) doesn't mean a thing in regards to the power differential between them, so that's neither here nor there... Now, had Pure Buu tried, and failed, to redirect the beam, you'd have a point I couldn't contest.

I've never heard anyone use "a few" when they mean seven. Scratches do mean something, they're used to show harm (Pure Buu gets them when Goku hits him).

He was clearly annoyed and in pain whenever Mr. Buu was hitting him (since when does losing half of your body not count as being wounded?). He wasn't just tanking Mr. Buu, which we know the Buus can do (Super Buu does it to Gotenks, Fat Buu does it to Vegeta). If he was really that much stronger, he would have just one-shotted fatty. Again, his fights with Mr. Buu and Goku were actually fairly similar. The main differences are, one, half of it took place off-screen, and two, Mr. Buu didn't get to stop the fight when he started losing steam like Goku did.

The fact of the matter is Evil Buu clearly did better than Pure Buu against the same character. That's a pretty simple and visible comparison (...and makes the whole "Pure Buu was stronger than Super Buu/Gohan/etc." crowd look even dumber).

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Or, it means he couldn't win.

And thus, not in his league. Especially if he can admit defeat that fast.

That doesn't necessarily mean he was incapable of doing anything at all.

What exactly did he do that actually mattered? A headbutt? A Chi-blast? Those were the best things he did. Everything else was a total beatdown in favor of Kid Boo.

His superiority to Vegeta wouldn't actually matter if he was still, like, x3 or x2 weaker than Pure Buu or something. The gap is so large that there wouldn't be any noticeable difference in performance.

We don't know how much stronger/weaker they are in comparison to each other or Kid Boo. What we know for a fact is that Mr. Boo is capable of taking much more punishment than someone like Vegeta. That already makes him better by default.

He is, because he is shown to be. I actually think he could take Goku at the time, due to having vastly superior durability and stamina while not being that much weaker.

He's not shown to be, though. He got overpowered by Kid Boo and stopped putting up this good fight you're referring to. Kid Boo dominated him and started fighting him with his legs only. Mr. Boo was never in Kid Boo's league and he never had a chance at beating him. Goku, on the otherhand, had a chance at defeating Kid Boo. Goku's more powerful than Fat Boo who's stronger than Mr. Boo. He's not just a little weaker.

And what actually shows them to be equal, if fights are apparently rendered invalid if Pure Buu laughs or does something silly?

Neither gained an advantage over the other. Kid Boo did no damage to Goku and vice versa. AKA an equal battle.

At that point, he had already weakened Mr. Buu in the long off-screen battle.

Because Kid Boo was beating the absolute shit out of him the entire time. The "battle" that they were having was laughably one-sided. That signifies a noticeable enough difference between them.

It's a similar case to Goku vs Cell, Gomu vs Freeza, and Super Buu vs Gotenks, though in those cases the weaker fighters were lucky enough to get pulled out before the fight degenerated to a beating.

Cell was fighting Goku at a level where it'd be even, Goku was pretty close to Freeza, and Super Boo was just being stupid. None of these are anything like Kid Boo's dominance over Mr. Boo.

Heck, the same thing was happening when he fought Goku. He wasn't trying to finish anyone off quickly

So Kid Boo never tried to hit Goku with a candy beam during their battle?

but he clearly would prefer to just beat his enemies down rather than take unnecessary hits, as shown by his fight with Vegeta, and his annoyance at Goku and Mr. Buu.

Kid Boo couldn't beat Goku down because they were on the same level. Vegeta was pretty weak and lacking in durability, which is why he was utterly useless in the battle.

Kid Boo can and did beat the tar outta Mr. Boo, nearly killing him while at it. Kid Boo is way stronger.

[Galan007]

I've never heard anyone use "a few" when they mean seven. Scratches do mean something, they're used to show harm (Pure Buu gets them when Goku hits him).

He was clearly annoyed and in pain whenever Mr. Buu was hitting him (modes losing half of your body not count as being "wounded"?). He wasn't just tanking Mr. Buu, which we know the Buus can do (Super Buu does it to Gotenks, Fat Buu does it to Vegeta). If he was really that much stronger, he would have just one-shotted fatty.

The fact of the matter is Evil Buu clearly did better than Pure Buu against the same character. That's a pretty simple and visible comparison (...and makes the whole "Pure Buu was stronger than Super Buu/Gohan/etc." crowd look even dumber).

Physical injuries(especially something as trivial as scratches) mean absolutely nothing when we're talking about Buu. By that logic, Super Buu was 'harmed' by the guy who unloaded on him with an assault rifle. The bullets scratched/punctured him, after all, so he must have been harmed, right..? Btw, the scuff-marks we saw on Mr. Buu's body following Grey Buu's few-strike-melee were already gone on the very next panel/page after they were originally shown, which tells us that Mr. Buu had already regenerated any 'damage' that may have been caused. So yeah, as far as what we saw, Grey Buu's melee caused no lasting damage, thus it is perfectly logical to assume their battle could have lasted as long as Pure Buu and Mr. Buu's battle, had the chocolate beam not been a factor.

I am(and have been) talking specifically about the scene in which Pure Buu dodges Mr. Buu's chocolate beam.

Cool. That doesn't address my point, however.

[RandomGuy96]

Or, it means he couldn't win.

And thus, not in his league. Especially if he can admit defeat that fast.

That doesn't necessarily mean he was incapable of doing anything at all.

What exactly did he do that actually mattered? A headbutt? A Chi-blast? Those were the best things he did. Everything else was a total beatdown in favor of Kid Boo.

His superiority to Vegeta wouldn't actually matter if he was still, like, x3 or x2 weaker than Pure Buu or something. The gap is so large that there wouldn't be any noticeable difference in performance.

We don't know how much stronger/weaker they are in comparison to each other or Kid Boo. What we know for a fact is that Mr. Boo is capable of taking much more punishment than someone like Vegeta. That already makes him better by default.

He is, because he is shown to be. I actually think he could take Goku at the time, due to having vastly superior durability and stamina while not being that much weaker.

He's not shown to be, though. He got overpowered by Kid Boo and stopped putting up this good fight you're referring to. Kid Boo dominated him and started fighting him with his legs only. Mr. Boo was never in Kid Boo's league and he never had a chance at beating him. Goku, on the otherhand, had a chance at defeating Kid Boo. Goku's more powerful than Fat Boo who's stronger than Mr. Boo. He's not just a little weaker.

And what actually shows them to be equal, if fights are apparently rendered invalid if Pure Buu laughs or does something silly?

Neither gained an advantage over the other. Kid Boo did no damage to Goku and vice versa. AKA an equal battle.

At that point, he had already weakened Mr. Buu in the long off-screen battle.

Because Kid Boo was beating the absolute shit out of him the entire time. The "battle" that they were having was laughably one-sided. That signifies a noticeable enough difference between them.

It's a similar case to Goku vs Cell, Gomu vs Freeza, and Super Buu vs Gotenks, though in those cases the weaker fighters were lucky enough to get pulled out before the fight degenerated to a beating.

Cell was fighting Goku at a level where it'd be even, Goku was pretty close to Freeza, and Super Boo was just being stupid. None of these are anything like Kid Boo's dominance over Mr. Boo.

Heck, the same thing was happening when he fought Goku. He wasn't trying to finish anyone off quickly

So Kid Boo never tried to hit Goku with a candy beam during their battle?

but he clearly would prefer to just beat his enemies down rather than take unnecessary hits, as shown by his fight with Vegeta, and his annoyance at Goku and Mr. Buu.

Kid Boo couldn't beat Goku down because they were on the same level. Vegeta was pretty weak and lacking in durability, which is why he was utterly useless in the battle.

Kid Boo can and did beat the tar outta Mr. Boo, nearly killing him while at it. Kid Boo is way stronger.

You can be in someone's tier and still be unable to beat them. Pure Buu had a power advantage and all of the same powers, so he was obviously going to win. But that doesn't mean he can one-shot or tank Mr. Buu (which he could even if he was only x2 stronger).

Blocking with your legs actually isn't very impressive. Freeza did it for several panels while fighting Goku when they were suppressed to more or less equal levels.

He made Pure Buu feel pain and blew off half his body. They're clearly in the same league. Otherwise, Mr. Buu's performance would have been no better than Vegeta's, because a small power difference means you get god-stomped in this series.

You're mistake is in assuming that Fat Buu is stronger than Mr. Buu despite one's blatantly superior feats. Pure Buu knew Mr.'s strength from the beginning, and yet didn't god stomp him.

Goku only damaged Pure Buu superficially, aside from blowing him apart (which Mr. Buu also did). I could just as easily argue that since Pure Buu laughed and danced, he wasn't taking Goku seriously.

There's no evidence that Mr. Buu was completely helpless the WHOLE time. We saw him putting up a decent fight. Mr. Buu is stronger, but it's not like a Goku vs Burter type of difference. Or KK x3 Gomu vs Vegeta.

Super Buu vs Gotenks is actually nigh-identical to Mr. Buu vs Pure Buu. Weaker fighter lands a headbutt, a throw, and a blast, which hurt the stronger opponent but doesn't so any long term damage besides pissing them off. Stronger fighter proceeds to beat weaker fighter to near death, with the fight getting more one sided as the weaker fighter sustains damage. Freeza vs Goku and Cell us Goku also weren't close fights at all. Heck, if you don't count teleportation, Goku only landed one hit on Cell. And Goku would have killed Freeza very quickly if Freeza hadn't used a special technique and quick thinking.

Daizenshuu 7 doesn't even list Pure Buu as a user of the Candy Beam, and he didn't kill Goku when the latter lost steam and was helpless, so no, he wasn't.

That's my point. Vegeta was too weak to resist Pure Buu. Mr. Buu wasn't. Also, the only reason he didn't beat down Goku just as badly is because Goku pulled out when he actually started taking damage. Mr. Buu didn't get that luxury.

Unless you consider Gotenks way stronger than Super Buu, or consider suppressed Cell way stronger than Goku, not really. Heck, Mr. Buu actually put up a better fight than those guys, unless you think he was 100% helpless for the entire off-screen battle.

Physical injuries(especially something as trivial as scratches) mean absolutely nothing when we're talking about Buu. By that logic, Super Buu was 'harmed' by the guy who unloaded on him with an assault rifle. The bullets scratched/punctured him, after all, so he must have been harmed, right..? Btw, the scuff-marks we saw on Mr. Buu's body following Grey Buu's few-strike-melee were already gone on the very next panel/page after they were originally shown, which tells us that Mr. Buu had already regenerated any 'damage' that may have been caused. So yeah, as far as what we saw, Grey Buu's melee caused no lasting damage, thus it is perfectly logical to assume their battle could have lasted as long as Pure Buu and Mr. Buu's battle, had the chocolate beam not been a factor.

I am(and have been) talking specifically about the scene in which Pure Buu dodges Mr. Buu's chocolate beam.

Cool. That doesn't address my point, however.

They do, actually. See the injuries Super Buu sustained when fighting Gotenks. Super Buu let those bullets pierce him, seeing as how bullets just bounced off Grey Buu a few seconds ago. Buu seems to be more or less immune to piercing and cutting attacks, while being relatively vulnerable to attacks that rely on blunt force trauma.

And you're missing the point. It doesn't matter how long it COULD have gone. Going solely by the fights, Evil vs Mr. was considerably more one sided than Pure vs Mr. Evil Buu just beat Mr. Buu down with no indication that Mr. Buu could last a long time or lay a single finger on him, while he put up a decent fight against Pure Buu at the beginning and possibly middle of the fight.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Base Kid Trunks (pre-Budokai training) vs. Base Future Trunks (Cell Games)

[Angelus]

They're still in the middle of a Kid Buu VS Skinny Gray Evil Buu argument.

[RandomGuy96]

Base Kid Trunks (pre-Budokai training) vs. Base Future Trunks (Cell Games)

I think kid Trunks has this. He's slightly stronger, and neither of them have any skill that'd actually matter here.

[Angelus]

Oh they're done.

Well, what if Future Trunks had a sword?

And while we're at it, since a new match up has been announced... here's a little few of mine:

Great Ape Paragus (first appearance) VS Cell Games Base Future Trunks
[No tail cutting/grabbing]

Old Kai VS His Younger Self (Pre-Old Witch potara fusion)

Cell Games Mr. Satan + 25th WMAT Jewel Potara Fusion VS 21st WMAT Jackie Chun
[No Kamehameha or that electric paralysis attack or an afterimage technique]

Movie 10 Base Broly VS End of Z Base Goku
[KAKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!]

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Oh they're done.

Well, what if Future Trunks had a sword?

And while we're at it, since a new match up has been announced... here's a little few of mine:

Great Ape Paragus (first appearance) VS Cell Games Base Future Trunks
[No tail cutting/grabbing]

Old Kai VS His Younger Self (Pre-Old Witch potara fusion)

Cell Games Mr. Satan + 25th WMAT Jewel Potara Fusion VS 21st WMAT Jackie Chun
[No Kamehameha or that electric paralysis attack or an afterimage technique]

Movie 10 Base Broly VS End of Z Base Goku
[KAKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!]

1. Probably Trunks

2. Younger self

3. Jackie Chun easily

4. Goku god stomps

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

You can be in someone's tier and still be unable to beat them. Pure Buu had a power advantage and all of the same powers, so he was obviously going to win. But that doesn't mean he can one-shot or tank Mr. Buu (which he could even if he was only x2 stronger).

Kid Boo's attacks were clearly all for prolonging his own fun. He never once tried to one-shot Mr. Boo at any point whatsoever.

Blocking with your legs actually isn't very impressive. Freeza did it for several panels while fighting Goku when they were suppressed to more or less equal levels.

Except Goku made Freeza have to return to using his hands, while Mr. Boo just gave Kid Boo the idea to detach his arm instead.

He made Pure Buu feel pain and blew off half his body. They're clearly in the same league. Otherwise, Mr. Buu's performance would have been no better than Vegeta's, because a small power difference means you get god-stomped in this series.

He knocked him away with an headbutt and immediately replied by slamming him on his ass. You can land cool attacks and still be much weaker than the opposition. That's an assumption. Mr. Boo being stronger than Vegeta and possessing powers he doesn't already means he'll put up a better fight.

You're mistake is in assuming that Fat Buu is stronger than Mr. Buu despite one's blatantly superior feats. Pure Buu knew Mr.'s strength from the beginning, and yet didn't god stomp him.

Your mistake is going against stated fact, but ok. You also have a very funny way of describing what a god stomp is. Mr. Boo's regeneration was rendered useless and he was nearly gone after taking that asswhooping from Kid Boo. Landing two attacks in the early portion somehow makes it a good battle now? Sure.

Goku only damaged Pure Buu superficially, aside from blowing him apart (which Mr. Buu also did). I could just as easily argue that since Pure Buu laughed and danced, he wasn't taking Goku seriously.

You can just as easily say that and you'd be incorrect. The battle was equal, with neither gaining an upperhand. Kid Boo gains an overwhelming advantage over Mr. Boo that ends with him completely out of energy and no longer able to fight. All of Boo's damage is often superficial. Even Vegito only does superficial damage to Boo.

There's no evidence that Mr. Buu was completely helpless the WHOLE time. We saw him putting up a decent fight. Mr. Buu is stronger, but it's not like a Goku vs Burter type of difference. Or KK x3 Gomu vs Vegeta.

The "battle" is evidence. His best asset was being pummeled. There was no decent fight. It went from Mr. Boo lands a headbutt and a Chi-blast to sorry I can't beat him....to Kid Boo making a joke out of Mr. Boo who's getting weaker and weaker the longer it continues. You mean Kid Boo's stronger.

Super Buu vs Gotenks is actually nigh-identical to Mr. Buu vs Pure Buu. Weaker fighter lands a headbutt, a throw, and a blast, which hurt the stronger opponent but doesn't so any long term damage besides pissing them off. Stronger fighter proceeds to beat weaker fighter to near death, with the fight getting more one sided as the weaker fighter sustains damage.

Gotenks's Ghost attack was far more effective than anything Mr. Boo did against Kid Boo. Super Boo was just dumb enough to keep getting hit by it, and Kid Boo didn't care enough to dodge Mr. Boo's Chi-blast. Not a surprise, since he didn't care enough to dodge Vegeta's blast as well.

Heck, if you don't count teleportation, Goku only landed one hit on Cell.

Actually, Goku landed the first couple of hits on Cell. It was later revealed that Cell was superior, but the battle was clearly equal on a visual level.

And Goku would have killed Freeza very quickly if Freeza hadn't used a special technique and quick thinking.

I was talking about Base Goku, not Super Saiyan.

Daizenshuu 7 doesn't even list Pure Buu as a user of the Candy Beam, and he didn't kill Goku when the latter lost steam and was helpless, so no, he wasn't.

It looks exactly like a candy beam, so as far as I'm concerned, it is one. A pseudo one that Goku certainly didn't want to get hit by, at least. When Goku lost steam, Kid Boo stopped and began to regenerate slowly because he didn't care at that point. Goku actually makes note of this.

That's my point. Vegeta was too weak to resist Pure Buu. Mr. Buu wasn't.

Meaning: Mr. Boo is superior to Vegeta in every aspect

Also, the only reason he didn't beat down Goku just as badly is because Goku pulled out when he actually started taking damage. Mr. Buu didn't get that luxury.

Goku wasn't beginning to take damage and he certainly wasn't looking to leave the fight. They fought long enough for Kid Boo to gain an advantage over Goku if he was the more powerful one. Since he was never shown to have anything other than regeneration over Goku, we can assume they were more or less on the same level. Mr. Boo wasn't, which is why he couldn't stop Kid Boo from putting a foot in his ass.

Unless you consider Gotenks way stronger than Super Buu, or consider suppressed Cell way stronger than Goku, not really. Heck, Mr. Buu actually put up a better fight than those guys, unless you think he was 100% helpless for the entire off-screen battle.

Gotenks was much weaker, but Super Boo was stupid enough to continuously touch his Ghost attack. That's just an indication that Super Boo is dumb as a doorknob, nothing more. Suppressed Cell fought at a level that would make it fun for him to enjoy a competitive battle with Goku. He actually states this. Mr. Boo put up a much better fight than Gotenks because he didn't put up a fight at all.

You can't read the Goku/Cell fight and seriously come to that conclusion about Mr. Boo. The fact that Cell was better, yet had to raise a barrier to stop Goku's Chi-blasts from inflicting damage is better than anything Mr. Boo ever did.

He was helpless for 99% of the battle. Is that better?

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Base Kid Trunks (pre-Budokai training) vs. Base Future Trunks (Cell Games)

I still think Future Trunks takes this.

Oh they're done.

Well, what if Future Trunks had a sword?

And while we're at it, since a new match up has been announced... here's a little few of mine:

Great Ape Paragus (first appearance) VS Cell Games Base Future Trunks
[No tail cutting/grabbing]

Old Kai VS His Younger Self (Pre-Old Witch potara fusion)

Cell Games Mr. Satan + 25th WMAT Jewel Potara Fusion VS 21st WMAT Jackie Chun
[No Kamehameha or that electric paralysis attack or an afterimage technique]

Movie 10 Base Broly VS End of Z Base Goku
[KAKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!]

Trunks

Younger self, Or maybe the old one due to magic and what not.
I don't know.

Roshi takes it.

Carrot destroys Broccoli.

[RandomGuy96]

Kid Boo's attacks were clearly all for prolonging his own fun. He never once tried to one-shot Mr. Boo at any point whatsoever.

He clearly lacked the ability to, if Mr. Buu's attacks could actually hurt him.

Except Goku made Freeza have to return to using his hands, while Mr. Boo just gave Kid Boo the idea to detach his arm instead

Goku made Freeza switch to his hands after several panels of fighting. Pure Buu only used his legs for one panel.

He knocked him away with an headbutt and immediately replied by slamming him on his ass. You can land cool attacks and still be much weaker than the opposition. That's an assumption. Mr. Boo being stronger than Vegeta and possessing powers he doesn't already means he'll put up a better fight.

And then he blew off half of Pure Buu's body.

It's not an assumption. We repeatedly see that a x2 difference in power means that you can't even see your opponent move and they can take you down with one hit.

Your mistake is going against stated fact, but ok. You also have a very funny way of describing what a god stomp is. Mr. Boo's regeneration was rendered useless and he was nearly gone after taking that asswhooping from Kid Boo. Somehow landing two attacks in the early portion of this beatdown somehow equals a good battle now? Sure.

Mr. Buu < Fat Buu (vs SS3 Goku) is never stated.

Three+ (we didn't see if he landed any more off-screen, outside of the anime). And yes, by DB standards, that's actually a decent battle. A god stomp is like... Goku vs Burter.

You can just as easily say that and you'd be incorrect. The battle was equal, with neither gaining an upperhand. Kid Boo gains an overwhelming advantage over Mr. Boo that ends with him completely out of energy and no longer able to fight. All of Boo's damage is often superficial. Even Vegito only does superficial damage to Boo.

Pure Buu was clearly gaining the upper hand by the time he was laughing and dancing to mock Goku, while Goku was out of breath and covered in wounds.

The "battle" is evidence. His best asset was being pummeled. There was no decent fight. It went from Mr. Boo lands a headbutt and a Chi-blast to sorry I can't beat him....to Kid Boo is making a joke out of Mr. Boo who's getting weaker and weaker the longer it continues. You mean Kid Boo's stronger.

If all he could do was get beaten, Pure Buu never would have taken a single hit. He would just straight-up stomp Mr. Buu, same as Vegeta.

Gotenks's Ghost attack was far more effective than anything Mr. Boo did against Kid Boo. Super Boo was just dumb enough to keep getting hit by it, and Kid Boo didn't care enough to dodge Mr. Boo's Chi-blast. Not a surprise, since he didn't care enough to dodge Vegeta's blast as well.

I'm talking about SS3 Gotenks vs Super Buu, not SS Gotenks vs Super Buu.

Actually, Goku landed the first couple of hits on Cell. It was later revealed that Cell was superior, but the battle was clearly equal on a visual level.

Nope. Goku landed a total of one hit in the entire battle, not counting the two he landed via teleportation. Unless you count when Cell was letting Goku beat on him when they were warming up.

I was talking about Base Goku, not Super Saiyan.

I wasn't.

It looks exactly like a candy beam, so as far as I'm concerned, it is one. A pseudo one that Goku certainly didn't want to get hit by, at least. When Goku lost steam, Kid Boo stopped and began to regenerate slowly because he didn't care at that point. Goku actually makes note of this.

Officially, it's just a regular antenna beam. Pure Buu isn't listed as a user of that technique.

That's my point. Pure Buu has clearly gained the upper hand at that point, and could have just pressed his advantage and beat Goku down. Or just kill him outright. But he didn't.

Meaning: Mr. Boo is superior to Vegeta in every aspect

...by more than just a bit. If Pure Buu is a 100, then he wouldn't even notice the difference between a 25 and a 30.

Goku wasn't beginning to take damage and he certainly wasn't looking to leave the fight. They fought long enough for Kid Boo to gain an advantage over Goku if he was the more powerful one. Since he was never shown to have anything other than regeneration over Goku, we can assume they were more or less on the same level. Mr. Boo wasn't, which is why he couldn't stop Kid Boo from putting a foot in his ass.

Goku was clearly damaged by the five or so hits Pure Buu landed on him. He was also running low on stamina. Which is why he pulled out and tagged Vegeta in. Mr. Buu didn't get that luxury, yet he still put up a similar fight.

I don't know what fight you were reading, but Pure Buu had a blatant advantage. If the fight had continued, Pure Buu would have stomped Goku into the ground.

Gotenks was much weaker, but Super Boo was stupid enough to continuously touch his Ghost attack. That's just an indication that Super Boo is dumb as a doorknob, nothing more. Suppressed Cell fought at a level that would make it fun for him to enjoy a competitive battle with Goku. He actually states this. Mr. Boo put up a much better fight than Gotenks because he didn't put up a fight at all.

I'm talking about Super Buu vs SS3 Gotenks (and Super Buu is actually pretty smart).

Except it wasn't competitive at all. Cell dominated that battle. He even did that whole "casually teleport behind my opponent before effortlessly landing a combo" thing. I was actually surprised by how one-sided it was when I first read the manga.

You can't read the Goku/Cell fight and seriously come to that conclusion about Mr. Boo. The fact that Cell was better, yet had to raise a barrier to stop Goku's Chi-blasts from inflicting damage is better than anything Mr. Boo ever did.

Yes, I can. Until Cell lost ki by regenerating, Goku couldn't even lay a single finger on him. His entire offense in that battle consisted of a kick, a punch, and a Kamehameha, which affected Cell about as much as Mr. Buu's three blows affected Pure Buu. Except Goku couldn't even follow Cell's movements, and needed to use teleportation to land two of those three hits. Mr. Buu didn't. Unless, again, you count when they were warming up, and Cell LET Goku hit him.

All Goku did was sting Cell's arm and make him think that it would be worth blocking an attack instead of tanking it. That doesn't mean anything. The whole fight consisted of Cell tossing Goku around like a rag doll, with Goku occasionally pulling out a special technique to keep Cell on his toes.

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He clearly lacked the ability to, if Mr. Buu's attacks could actually hurt him.

He clearly didn't try, so that says nothing about his ability to do it. Mr. Boo did nothing but momentarily stun Kid Boo. He couldn't do shit to Kid Boo and admits that he can't win a few pages into it.

Goku made Freeza switch to his hands after several panels of fighting. Pure Buu only used his legs for one panel.

And the very next time the two are shown, Mr. Boo is losing even harder than before.

And then he blew off half of Pure Buu's body.

So? He didn't bother trying to dodge it. Blowing Boo apart doesn't mean shit.

It's not an assumption. We repeatedly see that a x2 difference in power means that you can't even see your opponent move and they can take you down with one hit.

Those numbers are meaningless because they don't tell the whole story and never take into consideration the type of battle that's taking place. In this case, Kid Boo clearly playing around with someone he could easily decimate/

Mr. Buu < Fat Buu (vs SS3 Goku) is never stated.

Nothing is stated either way, nor does it need to be. Fat Boo had a lot more power during his battle with Goku than Mr. Boo did against Kid Boo. That alone is enough to prove he's more powerful.

Three+ (we didn't see if he landed any more off-screen, outside of the anime). And yes, by DB standards, that's actually a decent battle. A god stomp is like... Goku vs Burter.

And none of those hits had any sort of significance in the battle. That's not decent. Nearly being beaten to oblivion, however, is a perfect demonstration of the superior Boo.

Pure Buu was clearly gaining the upper hand by the time he was laughing and dancing to mock Goku, while Goku was out of breath and covered in wounds.

Goku tanked Kid Boo's Kamehameha and was still standing. Kid Boo was only gaining advantage because of the difference in their stamina. When they were actually fighting throughout the battle, both Goku and Kid Boo's were on the same level.

If all he could do was get beaten, Pure Buu never would have taken a single hit. He would just straight-up stomp Mr. Buu, same as Vegeta.

Those hits you keep on mentioning are meaningless. Nothing he did changed the complexion of the battle and he was pretty much doomed from the jump. So he landed a headbutt. Big deal. He was blindly rushing Mr. Boo at that point and was visibly upset, anyway. In the end, he still couldn't do anything.

Mr. Boo doesn't need to be one-shotted to prove a point when it's done in a drawn out at Kid Boo's pace. Also, stop comparing Mr. Boo to Vegeta. We've already established that Mr. Boo is stronger and has abilities that automatically give him a better chance than Vegeta ever had. That logic alone tells us Mr. Boo would've never went down the way Vegeta did because he was better equipped to begin with. That and the fact that Kid Boo never tried to finish him off.

I'm talking about SS3 Gotenks vs Super Buu, not SS Gotenks vs Super Buu.

Then that's a relatively even battle with Gotenks gaining a strong advantage towards the end.

Nope. Goku landed a total of one hit in the entire battle, not counting the two he landed via teleportation. Unless you count when Cell was letting Goku beat on him when they were warming up.

They were only stated to be warming up before they powered-up. Or are you saying they were only fighting seriously after Cell destroyed the ring? Even still, you're wrong.

Officially, it's just a regular antenna beam. Pure Buu isn't listed as a user of that technique.

Goku didn't want to be hit by it and made it a point to dodge it. So whatever it is, it's more of a problematic technique than a Kamehameha--which Goku didn't feel the need to dodge or repel.

That's my point. Pure Buu has clearly gained the upper hand at that point, and could have just pressed his advantage and beat Goku down. Or just kill him outright. But he didn't.

Towards the end. When both were fighting throughout their battle, it was an equal battle.

...by more than just a bit. If Pure Buu is a 100, then he wouldn't even notice the difference between a 25 and a 30.

I don't care for random numbers. All I know is Kid Boo made it clear Mr. Boo had no chance.

Goku was clearly damaged by the five or so hits Pure Buu landed on him. He was also running low on stamina. Which is why he pulled out and tagged Vegeta in. Mr. Buu didn't get that luxury, yet he still put up a similar fight.

Yet he's still able to move around with no issue and never once is it said that Goku's taken any real damage. You're going to have various marks and scratches when fighting Boo--especially if the levels are close. Goku wanted to keep fighting and told Vegeta to wait before Vegeta calls him out on his lie. Goku was going to continue fighting. Mr. Boo's fight was nothing like Goku's fight. One couldn't handle Kid Boo and was nothing more than his play-thing, the other was shown to be on his level during their battle. That's the difference.

I don't know what fight you were reading, but Pure Buu had a blatant advantage. If the fight had continued, Pure Buu would have stomped Goku into the ground.

Not in their fight. Both of them were keeping up with each other.

Except it wasn't competitive at all. Cell dominated that battle. He even did that whole "casually teleport behind my opponent before effortlessly landing a combo" thing. I was actually surprised by how one-sided it was when I first read the manga.

Except it was. Cell wants to continue fighting Goku for a reason. It wasn't as one-sided as you're making it out to be.

Yes, I can. Until Cell lost ki by regenerating, Goku couldn't even lay a single finger on him. His entire offense in that battle consisted of a kick, a punch, and a Kamehameha, which affected Cell about as much as Mr. Buu's three blows affected Pure Buu. Except Goku couldn't even follow Cell's movements, and needed to use teleportation to land two of those three hits. Mr. Buu didn't.

Goku landed way more hits than that--and it was after they warmed up. At least Goku made Cell used a lot of Chi to regenerate and use a barrier to avoid further damage from Goku's attacks. It was a good fight. Mr. Boo effort was valiant, but useless. He basically threw in the towel a few pages after it started.

Unless, again, you count when they were warming up, and Cell LET Goku hit him.

They were no longer warming up once they powered-up. I have no idea why you keep saying that.

All Goku did was sting Cell's arm and make him think that it would be worth blocking an attack instead of tanking it. That doesn't mean anything.

What?

Cell: “That attack of yours was quite impressive. It even forced me to put up a barrier. The damage was surprisingly large…”

Goku's Chi-blasts were hurting Cell. That alone is better than this non-existent damage Mr. Boo did. Cell admits the damage was enough to force him to use a barrier.

The whole fight consisted of Cell tossing Goku around like a rag doll, with Goku occasionally pulling out a special technique to keep Cell on his toes.

If you choose to look at certain parts and conveniently ignore others, maybe.

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He clearly didn't try, so that says nothing about his ability to do it. Mr. Boo did nothing but momentarily stun Kid Boo. He couldn't do shit to Kid Boo and admits that he can't win a few pages into it.

Proof that he didn't try? Again, he would just god-stomp Mr. Buu if he was truly capable of it.

And the very next time the two are shown, Mr. Boo is losing even harder than before.

After a long off-screen battle we never got to see. Again, the one panel where Pure Buu is using his legs means nothing.

So? He didn't bother trying to dodge it. Blowing Boo apart doesn't mean shit.

Proof that he wasn't able to dodge it, rather than being unable to? Because that contradicts him dodging Mr. Buu's first ki blast with a look of worry. And if you're going to claim that even blowing apart Buu doesn't mean anything, then Goku didn't do any damage either.

Those numbers are meaningless because they don't tell the whole story and never take into consideration the type of battle that's taking place. In this case, Kid Boo clearly playing around with someone he could easily decimate/

Not according to the actual fight. Pure Buu vs SS2 Vegeta would be more in line with your description.

Nothing is stated either way, nor does it need to be. Fat Boo had a lot more power during his battle with Goku than Mr. Boo did against Kid Boo. That alone is enough to prove he's more powerful.

No, it's not. You need actual proof. Mr. Buu puts up an actual fight against Pure Buu, while Fat Buu punches Goku in the face to absolutely no effect.

And none of those hits had any sort of significance in the battle. That's not decent. Nearly being beaten to oblivion, however, is a perfect demonstration of the superior Boo.

Neither did any of the hits Goku landed on Cell, but I don't see you labeling that one as a god stomp.

Goku tanked Kid Boo's Kamehameha and was still standing. Kid Boo was only gaining advantage because of the difference in their stamina. When they were actually fighting throughout the battle, both Goku and Kid Boo's were on the same level.

He blocked it. Which is not hard to do (see the 23rd Budokai). Goku was accumulating damage while Buu wasn't.

Those hits you keep on mentioning are meaningless. Nothing he did changed the complexion of the battle and he was pretty much doomed from the jump. So he landed a headbutt. Big deal. He was blindly rushing Mr. Boo at that point and was visibly upset, anyway. In the end, he still couldn't do anything.

Actually, it IS a big deal. If the gap was as massive as you claim, Pure Buu would have beaten him the exact same way he beat SS2 Vegeta.

Mr. Boo doesn't need to be one-shotted to prove a point when it's done in a drawn out at Kid Boo's pace. Also, stop comparing Mr. Boo to Vegeta. We've already established that Mr. Boo is stronger and has abilities that automatically give him a better chance than Vegeta ever had. That logic alone tells us Mr. Boo would've never went down the way Vegeta did because he was better equipped to begin with. That and the fact that Kid Boo never tried to finish him off.

I think it's perfectly valid to compare him to Vegeta. Vegeta vs Pure Buu is an example of what happens when Pure Buu is actually way superior. He doesn't take hits. Doing so annoys him. He just straight-up beats the shit out of his opponent while laughing.

Then that's a relatively even battle with Gotenks gaining a strong advantage towards the end.

If you don't consider Mr. Buu vs Pure Buu to even be a decent fight, then there's no way in hell SS3 Gotenks vs Super Buu was anything that can be called even. Mr. Buu and Super Buu both landed a blast, a headbutt, and a throw on their stronger opponents, they both hurt their opponents but failed to do significant damage, and they both were getting the shit beaten out of them near the end. It just took longer for Mr. Buu to stop putting up a struggle.

They were only stated to be warming up before they powered-up. Or are you saying they were only fighting seriously after Cell destroyed the ring? Even still, you're wrong.

I'm counting everything except the warm-up and the time Cell explicitly sat still and asked to Goku to hit him as a test at the very beginning, then smiled afterwards.

Goku didn't want to be hit by it and made it a point to dodge it. So whatever it is, it's more of a problematic technique than a Kamehameha--which Goku didn't feel the need to dodge or repel.

He blocked the Kamehameha, and since it harmed him, I'm sure he would have dodged it if he could. By this logic, the Kamehameha is inferior to that generic ki blast Buu threw out earlier, as Goku felt the need to dodge that by teleporting.

Towards the end. When both were fighting throughout their battle, it was an equal battle.

"Towards the end" meaning "like a minute or two into the fight" in this case.

I don't care for random numbers. All I know is Kid Boo made it clear Mr. Boo had no chance.

There's a difference between "having no chance" and simply being nowhere near the same tier.

Yet he's still able to move around with no issue and never once is it said that Goku's taken any real damage. You're going to have various marks and scratches when fighting Boo--especially if the levels are close. Goku wanted to keep fighting and told Vegeta to wait before Vegeta calls him out on his lie. Goku was going to continue fighting. Mr. Boo's fight was nothing like Goku's fight. One couldn't handle Kid Boo and was nothing more than his play-thing, the other was shown to be on his level during their battle. That's the difference.

There's nothing Goku did to prove he was on Pure Buu's level that Mr. Buu didn't also do. He was covered in wounds and was exhausted, while complaining that Buu wasn't hurt at all and wasn't taking him seriously. Which is why he said he needed to wipe Buu out with one big attack.

Not in their fight. Both of them were keeping up with each other.

The one or two minute long fight which ended when Goku said he needed to charge an attack for a full minute to actually win?

Except it was. Cell wants to continue fighting Goku for a reason. It wasn't as one-sided as you're making it out to be.

No, it was. Cell just likes beating the shit out of people while giving them little chance. He only needed Goku to put up enough of a fight to give him a workout, not enough to actually have any chance at victory. It's like how some people can still have fun by fighting against inferior opponents in real life. It makes them actually use a tiny bit of effort while also giving them a chance to show off and screw around.

Goku landed way more hits than that--and it was after they warmed up. At least Goku made Cell used a lot of Chi to regenerate and use a barrier to avoid further damage from Goku's attacks. It was a good fight. Mr. Boo effort was valiant, but useless. He basically threw in the towel a few pages after it started.

They were no longer warming up once they powered-up. I have no idea why you keep saying that.

No, he didn't. That was his whole offense, unless AGAIN you count the very beginning, where Cell sat still and invited Goku to hit him. I don't know why anyone would count that, since he then proceeds to smile and blitz Goku before pounding him around effortlessly.

It was anything but a good fight. For most of it, Goku couldn't actually land a solid hit on Cell without teleporting.

What?

That ki blast barrage technique Goku used. It didn't actually do anything other than make Cell think that he may as well block it with a barrier instead of tank it.

Goku's Chi-blasts were hurting Cell. That alone is better than this non-existent damage Mr. Boo did. Cell admits the damage was enough to force him to use a barrier.

1. It isn't. Goku's ki blasts stinging Cell's arm until he decided to put up a barrier to block them isn't impressive at all.
2. Even if it WAS impressive, that'd still only be a statement on that particular technique (Cell himself said he didn't expect the technique to be that strong, and he knows exactly how strong Goku is at that point).

If you choose to look at certain parts and conveniently ignore others, maybe.

I'm looking at the part where they were actually fighting.