"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Jinzoningen MULE]

So it's explained how Trunks had the ability to cure but he didn't know it. He unconsciously used it twice. Id like to know why he can use it once, could be that he needs to master it? In any case, it's good he can only use it once, otherwise it would be too easy for them.

My uneducated guess would be that a human's body doesn't have enough sturdiness to use it repetitively. After all, gods are able to live for thousands of years, while Saiyans typically live until 80, is it?

[Basako]

So it's explained how Trunks had the ability to cure but he didn't know it. He unconsciously used it twice. Id like to know why he can use it once, could be that he needs to master it? In any case, it's good he can only use it once, otherwise it would be too easy for them.

My uneducated guess would be that a human's body doesn't have enough sturdiness to use it repetitively. After all, gods are able to live for thousands of years, while Saiyans typically live until 80, is it?

Yeah, maybe it's that. Things could work differently for humans. Like the Potaras, we know now it's not even an hour for them. But it is for Merged Zamasu, he can't have much time left.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

One interesting thing I've noticed. In the anime, godhood seemed to have a component of self. Zamasu was able to remain fused because he was/is a member of the race of gods, presumably. In the manga, it seems to be a gifted position, since Zamasu can't remain fused indefinitely and Trunks is able to acquire the powers of a godly apprentice.

That doesn't mean anything, it's just a fun observation. I wonder if that means that a human could become a full Kaioshin under special circumstances in Toyotaro's universe.

[OLKv3]

One interesting thing I've noticed. In the anime, godhood seemed to have a component of self. Zamasu was able to remain fused because he was/is a member of the race of gods, presumably. In the manga, it seems to be a gifted position, since Zamasu can't remain fused indefinitely and Trunks is able to acquire the powers of an apprentice.

That doesn't mean anything, it's just a fun observation. I wonder if that means that a human could become a full Kaioshin under special circumstances in Toyotaro's universe.

I guess it lines up with how humans/saiyans can become full of Gods of Destruction

[Jinzoningen MULE]

One interesting thing I've noticed. In the anime, godhood seemed to have a component of self. Zamasu was able to remain fused because he was/is a member of the race of gods, presumably. In the manga, it seems to be a gifted position, since Zamasu can't remain fused indefinitely and Trunks is able to acquire the powers of an apprentice.

That doesn't mean anything, it's just a fun observation. I wonder if that means that a human could become a full Kaioshin under special circumstances in Toyotaro's universe.

I guess it lines up with how humans/saiyans can become full of Gods of Destruction

Traditionally, the role of Kaioshin can only be served by a Shinjin, while Gods of Destruction seem to be chosen from the human realm. I'm not saying a human ever would serve the role, I'm just wondering if it would be technically possible in-universe.

[Ikazvyr]

One interesting thing I've noticed. In the anime, godhood seemed to have a component of self. Zamasu was able to remain fused because he was/is a member of the race of gods, presumably. In the manga, it seems to be a gifted position, since Zamasu can't remain fused indefinitely and Trunks is able to acquire the powers of a godly apprentice.

That doesn't mean anything, it's just a fun observation. I wonder if that means that a human could become a full Kaioshin under special circumstances in Toyotaro's universe.

I think everyone can become a god in Dragon Ball universe. Zamasu was an Kaioh and was learning to be an Kaiohshin. Although maybe there's an 'hakaishinjin', the story so far is foreshadowing that one can become an god of destruction. Also, the earth's god is an namekian, and I believe the god before Kami was an human

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think everyone can become a god in Dragon Ball universe. Zamasu was an Kaioh and was learning to be an Kaiohshin. Although maybe there's an 'hakaishinjin', the story so far is foreshadowing that one can become an god of destruction. Also, the earth's god is an namekian, and I believe the god before Kami was an human

I don't know if you're getting me. Gods of planets and gods of destruction are made up of a variety of species, but Kaio, Kaioshin, and Kaioshin apprentices have always been exclusively Shinjin until now. This sort of shifts the dynamic in a big way.

Obviously, I know the question won't be sufficiently answered, I just thought it was fun food for thought. I might even make an In-Universe thread for it.

[Ikazvyr]

I don't know if you're getting me. Gods of planets and gods of destruction are made up of a variety of species, but Kaio, Kaioshin, and Kaioshin apprentices have always been exclusively Shinjin until now. This sort of shifts the dynamic in a big way.

Obviously, I know the question won't be sufficiently answered, I just thought it was fun food for thought. I might even make an In-Universe thread for it.

Yes, I understand your point actually, but maybe shinjins becoming kaiohs and kaiohshins exclusively isn't a rule, and future Trunks is here to proof it. The Dragon Ball universe is somehow vague, so we can't really know this for real. We only know a few years (the story of Goku plus some other prior to his like Jaco and Bardock) compared to the vastness of the universe. Maybe there was once an kaioh who wasn't shinjin, or maybe even an kaiohshin. Maybe there wasn't, but will be. All we can do is imagine and theorize (or write fanfics )

[SansrivaaL]

So more and more it does look like Goku is just now practicing this mastered SSJB form since he's still having a hard time containing his ki... I love it! guess that explains the last panel.

[Ikazvyr]

Just caught myself thinking: how long the last chapter took to be translated and released by Viz? I think we'll get this chapter on our hands sooner than we expect

[Vados_chan]

Are some people are actually defending this? And people rag on the anime and it's portrayal of power levels

Goku>Vegito?

[SansrivaaL]

Are some people are actually defending this? And people rag on the anime and it's portrayal of power levels

Goku>Vegito?

How did that happen? Vegitto was man handling Zamasu, Goku can barely keep up.

[dbgtFO]

Just caught myself thinking: how long the last chapter took to be translated and released by Viz? I think we'll get this chapter on our hands sooner than we expect

I expect tomorrow, so we will see.

[OLKv3]

Are some people are actually defending this? And people rag on the anime and it's portrayal of power levels

Goku>Vegito?

How did you get Goku>Vegito? I'm guessing you didn't look at any scans and incorrectly assumed things. Vegetto squashed Zamasu like an insect. Goku is struggling with Zamasu. How does that make him >Vegetto again?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Just caught myself thinking: how long the last chapter took to be translated and released by Viz? I think we'll get this chapter on our hands sooner than we expect

It'll be released on the 21st, which is also the official release date in Japan (I think? Someone tell me I'm not misremembering the date!). It'll probably be that way every month. It's actually a wonder that anyone bothers with leaks since we get the full translation simultaneously with Japan.

Are some people are actually defending this? And people rag on the anime and it's portrayal of power levels

Goku>Vegito?

That's a rather dishonest way of framing it. You're intentionally leaving out the context behind the development.

[Ikazvyr]

It'll be released on the 21st, which is also the official release date in Japan (I think? Someone tell me I'm not misremembering the date!). It'll probably be that way every month. It's actually a wonder that anyone bothers with leaks since we get the full translation simultaneously with Japan.

Yes, the 21st day of every month, if it's not a sunday, is the release date. So I think we'll got it this weekend, or even tomorrow, like dbgtFO said

[Overlord78]

Are some people are actually defending this? And people rag on the anime and it's portrayal of power levels

Goku>Vegito?

Were you expecting anything else .

Super apologists would talk about how "great" an episode/chapter was even if it's pure shit.

[zamasu121]

For those of you asking why Trunks didn't heal Gowasu...

...maybe he did, and maybe he healed Mai, too.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

That is still an asspull since there isn't a single line of dialog about Trunks being able to heal them.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

For those of you asking why Trunks didn't heal Gowasu...

...maybe he did, and maybe he healed Mai, too.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

That is still an asspull since there isn't a single line of dialog about Trunks being able to heal them.

It does seem like a retcon, there was no discernable foreshadowing, but it's not a contradiction or anything. Toriyama has still done much worse, including a fundamental change of the time travel mechanics partway through the android arc. That kinda makes this seem like nothing, since it's perfectly consistent with everything that's come before.

[alakazam^]

I wonder if what Goku's doing is foreshadowing his supposed new form at the Tournament of Power

Well, the leaked pages jump all over the place so not gonna try to order them. Remember it's not the full chapter.

Chapter 24 - Son Goku's Evolution

[spoiler]Vegeeta: Sh... shit.
Goku: W... what happened, Vegeeta?
Vegeeta: No idea...!
Goku: Don't we still have a lot of time?

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(Potara time)

Trunks: Wasn't a Potara fusion not supposed to wear down before an hour has passed?
Kaioushin: Gowasu-sama... this.
Gowasu: I don't know... Did they lose the power to maintain the fusion because of their overwhelming strength?
Trunks: B...but Zamasu remains fused.
Gowasu: Maybe this might be the limit for mortals...
Trunks: Th... that can't be...

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(Goku keeping Blue inside)

Zamasu: Blue again and again... you don't get it, do you? Blue has no future. Stop relying on past transformations, it's annoying!

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(Explaining perfected Blue)

Trunks: I...impressive, Goku-san... is able to challenge Zamasu...!
Vegeeta: Kakarrot is sealing the overflowing power of Blue inside his body.
Trunks: What...?
Vegeeta: He overcome Blue's weakness, of not being able to draw its full power but for a short amount of time, by going head-on.
Trunks: Th...then... Now, Goku-san is...
Vegeeta: Always fighting with his power at 100%. He's finally perfected Super Saiyajin Blue.

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(Kaioushin disciple talk)

Kaioushin: Gowasu-sama... I've never regretted becoming a Kaioushin this much before... If I've had remained a disciple to the Grand Kaioushin-sama... Even I could have used the fukkatsu power (you know what this is, don't feel like translating it )...
Gowasu: Indeed that'd be the case but, had you not became a Kaioushin, you wouldn't have been able to use the "Time Ring" and come here... there was nothing we could do...
Trunks: Wait a minute... what did you say just now?
Gowasu: ? That if you're not a Kaioushin you can't use the "Time Ring".
Trunks: No, before that! That if you're a disciple of a Kaioushin there's something you can use...
Kaioushin: Fukkatsu power. The ability to heal your body that followers of Kaioushin can do, like Kibito and Zamasu. Is something wrong...?

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(Kaioushin disciple talk 2)

Trunks: Kaioushin-sama... I've... become one. A Kaioushin-sama's disciple.
Kaioushin: What...!?
Trunks: I became a disciple to this world's Kaioushin at that time I defeated Daabra.
Kaioushin: "Becoming a disciple"... You're saying you underwent that ritual...?
Trunks: By ritual you mean... that thing where [you'd] do a weird dance around me for a full day?
Kaioushin: Yes! That's exactly it!! ... So, this means...!

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(Toyotarou foreshadows)

Trunks: I... I have... Fukkatsu power... I see... So that was it...! When Mai was about to get killed by Black... When Gowasu-sama was about to get killed by Black... I saved them with my fukkatsu power!! I'll go heal their bodies right now!!

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(Vegeeta and Goku getting Janenba'd)

Goku: Damn it... if only we had Senzu...

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(Goku getting Janenba'd)

Goku: I... I hit him!
Zamasu: Y... you...

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(Vegeeta declining Trunks' help)

Vegeeta: Wait... Trunks. If you can only heal one person... then heal Kakarrot.
Trunks: What... why?
Vegeeta; The one able to turn Super Saiyajin Blue and fight Zamasu on an equal footing right now... is Kakarrot, not me...

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Vegeeta: We'll go back together and alive... you hear me?

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(Vegeeta stalling for time)

Vegeeta: Even if this body gets destroyed... I'll never throw away my pride!!!
Trunks: What!? It can't be!!?
Vegeeta: N... now... Come at me, Zamasu. Kill me already!!
Zamasu: Don't think I'll give you peace right away, Vegeeta. I'll kill you after that!!!
Kaioushin: Vegeeta-san is daring him... he's buying time.

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(Trunks healing Goku)

Goku: Awe... awesome... This is great Trunks, I really got healed!
Mai: Trunks!

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(last page)

Goku: Shit... putting it into practice right away was overdoing it after all... my body is starting to break down.
Zamasu: Don't get cocky... Overestimating one's power is a bad habit of Saiyajins!
Goku: So, you just return as good as new. I wish you'd stop doing that...[/spoiler]