The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:31 pm

Just a head up for everyone, here's a couple of matches that got buried:
TheGmGoken wrote:Bee vs Turtle
5th Form Cooler vs Mecha Freeza
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Base Kid Trunks (pre-Budokai training) vs. Base Future Trunks (Cell Games)
Korin VS Drum
Androids Saga Tien + Kamiccolo (pre-ROSAT) Potara Fusion VS Perfect Cell
Drum VS Yajirobe with sword (first appearance), 22nd WMAT Tenshinhan, Goku, Krillin, Yamcha, and Jackie Chun [No evil containment wave]
100% Final Form Freeza VS Base Bardock + King Vegeta Potara Fusion (Great Ape form too if needed) [No blowing up of planets]
25th WMAT SSJ Gohan VS Post-ROSAT SSJ Kid Trunks and Goten
Hugo Boss wrote:SS Goten and SS Trunks vs Abocado
Videl (25th Budokai) vs Yamcha (21th Budokai)
Logan wrote:Shinseiju fruit powered-up Tullece and Crusher Tullece Corps VS Final Form Frieza
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:24 am

And here, something different from my usual versus:

23rd WMAT Yajirobe with sword VS Female Titan (Attack on Titan, first appearance)

Nappa VS All Gundams from all the Gundam series
[Battle takes place on Earth]

Kyoto Arc Uonuma Usui (Rurouni Kenshin anime) VS Yamcha with sword (DB Chapter 7)

Kurei Mori (Flame of Recca) VS Cymbal

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:36 pm

SSJ3 Gogeta vs Super Boo (SSJ3 Gotenks absorbed)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:40 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta vs Super Boo (SSJ3 Gotenks absorbed)
I think Gogeta is stronger, but Buu would just blow himself up, hide his ki, and return 30 minutes later to kill Goku and Vegeta. Gotenks de-fusing takes away the majority of Buutenks' power, but what he has left would still be more than enough to deal with unfused SS3 Goku and SS2 Vegeta. That's even if he needs to. I could see this going similarly to SS3 Gotenks vs Super Buu if Buu decides to actually stand and fight.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:08 pm

Bear Bandit Vs. Videl in her debut.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Kid Buu wrote:Bear Bandit Vs. Videl in her debut.
Bear Bandit murders her.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:42 pm

Okay, since new match ups are being thrown in... here's a couple of mine:

Tien VS Gohan
[Both Saiyan Saga. Tien will only do Tribeam barrages, like he did to Semi-Cell. Gohan will only tank and won't block. Who'll die first?]

Giant Culture Fluid Bio-Broly VS End of Z Giant Piccolo (like he did during the 23rd WMAT)
[No water nearby]

Androids Saga Kamiccolo + Eastern Kaioshin Potara Fusion VS SSJ Gotenks (Post-ROSAT)
[No time limit]

Cyborg Tao VS Drum

Full Power Beerus VS Buu Saga SSJ3 Vegito, Gohan-Buu, SSJ3 Gogeta, and Gotenks-Buu (no time limits)

And to answer a former versus:
Kid Buu wrote:Bear Bandit Vs. Videl in her debut.
This has been asked a few pages before. General consensus pointed to Bear Bandit (without sword). Although, personally, I think it would be a rather even match. Bear Bandit's only feat was getting one-shotted by beginning of DB kid Goku. If Videl beat up Majin Spopovich, skill-wise, she should be able to handle this bear. The only reason Spopovich survived was because of the side effect of that Majin spell. Otherwise, Spopovich would be dead after getting his neck broken by Videl's kick.. and that's after Videl was being serious. Sure, this was after Gohan trained her but... the only difference then and when she debut was her hair and that now she can fly... and she's dripping wet fangirl crazy thirsty to have Gohan's babies. She was like "Come back safe Gohan and I'll show you a good time" on her face.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:57 am

Kid Buu wrote:Bear Bandit Vs. Videl in her debut.
I would say the Bear Bandit wins. All we know about Videl is that she's really strong for a normal Earthling and above Mr. Satan. Satan is weaker than Bob Sapp, a real life MMA fighter, according to Toriyama. That's not enough to beat up a 30 foot tall bear IMO.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:35 am

Alright, let's see here...
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta vs Super Boo (SSJ3 Gotenks absorbed)
Super Saiyan 2 is all Gogeta needs to have an easy fight and humiliate Boo(though still not to the same extent as SS1 Vegetto). Super Saiyan 3 is overkill.
Kid Buu wrote:Bear Bandit Vs. Videl in her debut.
Before her training with Gohan, I doubt Videl has the raw physical prowess to take down Mr. Bear Bandit. AFTER her ki-training, though... that's a different story.
Angelus wrote:Tenshinhan VS Gohan
[Both Saiyan Saga. Tenshinhan will only do Tribeam barrages, like he did to Semi-Cell. Gohan will only tank and won't block. Who'll die first?]
I assume this is during the actual battle against Nappa and Vegeta, not before everyone trained. But either way, unless Gohan has some reason to be enraged towards Tenshinhan, he doesn't have the power to withstand a Kikoho. He either dies with the first one, or is left cripplingly injured and easily taken out with a second.

Since Tenshinhan starts this battle fresh instead of already half-dead, then unlike against Nappa, using the Kikoho doesn't kill him. It just leaves him worn out like after he used it against Goku.
Angelus wrote:Giant Culture Fluid Bio-Broly VS End of Z Giant Piccolo (like he did during the 23rd WMAT)
[No water nearby]
Piccolo's fond of using raw power to just eliminate the entire battlefield when the fight warrants it, and I believe that by the end of Z he's got more than enough power to take out Bio-Broli in such a way. The giant form probably isn't even needed in any way; heck, I'm not even sure if it's supposed to increase Piccolo's power at all.
Angelus wrote:Androids Saga Kamiccolo + Eastern Kaioshin Potara Fusion VS SSJ Gotenks (Post-ROSAT)
[No time limit]
Going by my favored, "more similar pairs make better Potara Fusions" theory... I don't think Piccolo and Kaioshin would get too much out of it. The difference in their powers isn't gigantic like between Goku and Mr. Satan or Dende, or something like that, but Kaioshin's still quite a bit stronger.

I'd say they get several times stronger, but don't quite match up to SS Gotenks in raw power. If the Fusion has inherited both his parts' special abilities, though, then they may be able to win anyway. I'll call this one a 50/50.
Angelus wrote:Cyborg Tao VS Drum
My gut tells me Tao can win, but he'll have a hard time doing so. Nailing him with a Super Dodonpa may be required to do significant damage.
Angelus wrote:Full Power Beerus VS Buu Saga SSJ3 Vegito, Gohan-Buu, SSJ3 Gogeta, and Gotenks-Buu (no time limits)
No good way to know. The comparative scale between DBZ's "normal" heaviest hitters and the gods is impossible to know for sure. They don't even use the same type of ki.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by mysticboy » Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:29 pm

Yu Yu Hakusho (end of series) vs Dragon Ball (23rd Budokai) EQUAL POWER LEVELS

Yusuke vs Goku

Kuwabara vs Krillin

Kurama vs Ten

Hiei vs Yamcha

Genkai vs Roshi

Raizen (at his full power) vs Piccolo Jr
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:45 pm

Kind of weird to put the second strongest on the Dragon Ball side up against the overwhelmingly strongest on the YYH side - Raizen at full power was apparently completely beyond anything else in the series. If the other YYH characters are comparable to 23rd Budokai DB characters, Raizen would curbstomp both teams.
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Post by mysticboy » Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:39 pm

Saiga wrote:Kind of weird to put the second strongest on the Dragon Ball side up against the overwhelmingly strongest on the YYH side - Raizen at full power was apparently completely beyond anything else in the series. If the other YYH characters are comparable to 23rd Budokai DB characters, Raizen would curbstomp both teams.
I had Raizen equal to Yomi and Mukuro at full power, but now I remember it being stated that he's much, much stronger than both. So I'll edit my post.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:41 pm

mysticboy wrote:
Saiga wrote:Kind of weird to put the second strongest on the Dragon Ball side up against the overwhelmingly strongest on the YYH side - Raizen at full power was apparently completely beyond anything else in the series. If the other YYH characters are comparable to 23rd Budokai DB characters, Raizen would curbstomp both teams.
I had Raizen equal to Yomi and Mukuro at power, but now I remember it being stated that he's much, much stronger than both. So I'll edit my post.
The weakened Raizen was about that strong, so you could use him at that level.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:43 pm

The power of the 23rd Budokai competitors depends on some things. Like whether or not you think BOZ Piccolo was literally trillions of times stronger than 23rd Budokai Piccolo.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by mysticboy » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:36 pm

Saiga wrote:The weakened Raizen was about that strong, so you could use him at that level.
Equal power levels now.
RandomGuy96 wrote:The power of the 23rd Budokai competitors depends on some things. Like whether or not you think BOZ Piccolo was literally trillions of times stronger than 23rd Budokai Piccolo.
They're all at equal power for these fights so it comes down to skill. I used the 23rd TB era for Team DB and EoS for Team YYH specifically because during those respective eras both teams had roughly the same amount of fighting experience and training (with a couple exceptions).

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Post by Kid Buu » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:37 am

Super Perfect Cell as an Oozaru Vs Pure Buu
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:40 am

Kid Buu wrote:Super Perfect Cell as an Oozaru Vs Pure Buu
That's interesting, hm.. Well Cell has the power advantage by a good margin but fighting at that size vs. someone like Kid Boo could put you at a disadvantage, I'll give it to Cell.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:44 am

Cell would stomp. He's not all that much weaker than the Buu Arc SSJ2's, and the SSJ3's, and therefore Pure Buu, are only 4x stronger than them. Cell would have a huge power advantage, and Buu has no idea about the tail weakness, and Cell could regrow it anyway.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:50 am

Giant Cell gets turned into candy. He's an ENORMOUS target, and probably wouldn't even try to dodge the Candy Beam even if he had the capability.

Alternatively, Buu teleports inside his enormous body and starts wrecking stuff.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:10 am

But I bet Super Buu could wreck this Great Ape SPC?

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