Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by BlueBasilisk » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:05 pm

Noah wrote:You think this series could be benefited if we had a hiatus?
That would depend entirely on what they did during the hiatus. If they used it to work ahead on the show to improve production, then yes. If not or if they worked on other things entirely it really wouldn't make any difference.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Chuquita » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:31 pm

Agreed. If all they do is split Super's staff up--put some of them on the movie and the rest on Kitaro--then there's no way for Super to receive any improvements by a hiatus.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by emperior » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:54 pm

Wouldn't they do some pre-production for the next show/continuation, if Super went on a hiatus? They could start writing, storyboarding and animating episodes as soon as Super goes on a break. Don't most shows usually get around 6 months of pre-production? Considering there's the movie in the middle, a new show could start next year on February with the beginning of a new cour, which means it would get almost a year of pre-production which would effectively be worth less, because of the movie being in the middle and taking up staff time.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:46 pm

emperior wrote:Wouldn't they do some pre-production for the next show/continuation, if Super went on a hiatus? They could start writing, storyboarding and animating episodes as soon as Super goes on a break. Don't most shows usually get around 6 months of pre-production? Considering there's the movie in the middle, a new show could start next year on February with the beginning of a new cour, which means it would get almost a year of pre-production which would effectively be worth less, because of the movie being in the middle and taking up staff time.
Not if there's nobody available to work on those things. First the production committee has to set if a date. If everyone involved doesn't agree they can't start production.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by ArchedThunder » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:56 pm

Kitaro would likely have its end date set from the start and with how much money DB is making there is no way the parties involved would want DB off air for long (if it even goes off air), so the date that DB would return would most likely be set before Super even went off air.
The movie's existence doesn't make it impossible for DB to come back with a better production, it's not like there is a set pool of animators who will work on Dragon Ball, some of the animators who will work on the movie will likely be the kind that can work on multiple things and there is the possibility that much of the movie staff won't even be people that would be regulars on Super or whatever DB would be called after returning, it all depends on how Toei allocates staff.
If Super goes off air for around 6 months or so it is very possible they just treat the return like any other show and give it the proper production time and if they went in from the beginning with the intention of having a better production then they would likely be able to get staff that don't even work on Super currently and they wouldn't need as many staff per episode.
It makes sense from a business stand point to, Dragon Ball is here to stay so making the production a well oiled machine means they won't have to spend so much per episode just to keep the show from collapsing and could keep it going without nearly as many hiccups for as long as they want.
Even if they ultimately just start production back up early enough to give episodes 3 or so more weeks for animation that'd still be a huge benefit to the show. It's all speculation though, the show could just come back exactly as it is or even worse.

Either way I don't think Super is going to be temporarily replaced by Kitaro.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by emperior » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:20 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:Kitaro would likely have its end date set from the start and with how much money DB is making there is no way the parties involved would want DB off air for long (if it even goes off air), so the date that DB would return would most likely be set before Super even went off air.
The movie's existence doesn't make it impossible for DB to come back with a better production, it's not like there is a set pool of animators who will work on Dragon Ball, some of the animators who will work on the movie will likely be the kind that can work on multiple things and there is the possibility that much of the movie staff won't even be people that would be regulars on Super or whatever DB would be called after returning, it all depends on how Toei allocates staff.
If Super goes off air for around 6 months or so it is very possible they just treat the return like any other show and give it the proper production time and if they went in from the beginning with the intention of having a better production then they would likely be able to get staff that don't even work on Super currently and they wouldn't need as many staff per episode.
It makes sense from a business stand point to, Dragon Ball is here to stay so making the production a well oiled machine means they won't have to spend so much per episode just to keep the show from collapsing and could keep it going without nearly as many hiccups for as long as they want.
Even if they ultimately just start production back up early enough to give episodes 3 or so more weeks for animation that'd still be a huge benefit to the show. It's all speculation though, the show could just come back exactly as it is or even worse.

Either way I don't think Super is going to be temporarily replaced by Kitaro.
I agree with you, it's clear that Dragon Ball is here to stay for a very long time. When Super was announced, I don't think they realized just how big it would have gotten which is why they originally planned only 100 or so episodes. Merchandising has surpassed the wildest expectations, beating even Gundam. They must have realized that they need to do everything they possibly can to make the show better, and to avoid fillers. At the moment, the best thing they can do is to put Super on a hiatus to avoid the movie negatively impacting it, while they can do some behind the scenes work to make sure the next Dragon Ball show is as good as it can be.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:50 pm

#17 VA did say he was thankful this journey will continue next year rather than into the new year plus we all expect #17 to get KO'd soon so it does feel like he's talking about the next arc. Unless I'm reading too much into it.

Also the ANN article mentions a new project is in the works not specifically an anime, could be a special of some kind maybe?

Also Monster Hunter got surprisingly renewed for a second season but no word as far I could find out on how long (originally S1 was slated for 48 eps strangely S2 has had trouble with licensing with FUNiRoll) for so Fuji could always pull that sometime during the year, this could also explain why S2 has had licensing problems.

While it might not mean much but the main marketing push for Goku's new form begins from March so it would be odd if there is no DBS on air during the time they decide to go ham on UI Goku.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by ArchedThunder » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:58 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:#17 VA did say he was thankful this journey will continue next year rather than into the new year plus we all expect #17 to get KO'd soon so it does feel like he's talking about the next arc. Unless I'm reading too much into it.

Also the ANN article mentions a new project is in the works not specifically an anime, could be a special of some kind maybe?

Also Monster Hunter got surprisingly renewed for a second season but no word as far I could find out on how long (originally S1 was slated for 48 eps strangely S2 has had trouble with licensing with FUNiRoll) for so Fuji could always pull that sometime during the year, this could also explain why S2 has had licensing problems.

While it might not mean much but the main marketing push for Goku's new form begins from March so it would be odd if there is no DBS on air during the time they decide to go ham on UI Goku.
Yeah, it's just listed as a "New Project", it could be a TV special, a movie or even some net animation.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Chuquita » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:29 pm

It's so difficult to picture them replacing something that makes so much money with something that I think makes significantly less money, franchise-wise. Dragon Ball is so popular world wide.

How internationally popular is GeGeGe no Kitaro?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:57 pm

Dragon Ball won't suddenly stop making money or lose its popularity once DBS ends. Hell, there's a movie coming which is guaranteed to make huge at the box office and the manga will also continue for a while. Not to mention all the videogames and merch. And, after Kitaro is over it will come back again anyways.

Also, the producers in most cases think about the home audience first and the international market after. Kitaro is an icon in Japan, so its no wonder it is getting a 50th anniversary celebration project.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Ice85 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:49 am

Hi guys, new here on Kanzenshuu
Anyone know what Shida will do next episode? I didn't see anything in the NEP that looks like him, I'm assuming that Goku will fight Jiren first, then Vegeta will attack Jiren, then Vegeta does the Final Flash, then Jiren beats Vegeta. Which part will Shida do? And who do you think will animate the final battle between Goku and Jiren?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:04 am

Ice85 wrote:Hi guys, new here on Kanzenshuu
Anyone know what Shida will do next episode? I didn't see anything in the NEP that looks like him, I'm assuming that Goku will fight Jiren first, then Vegeta will attack Jiren, then Vegeta does the Final Flash, then Jiren beats Vegeta. Which part will Shida do? And who do you think will animate the final battle between Goku and Jiren?
He is not on the next episode, he tweeted will be on an episode soon though, presumably he will animate something on the finale of the ToP.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Tai981 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:18 am

Ice85 wrote:Hi guys, new here on Kanzenshuu
Anyone know what Shida will do next episode? I didn't see anything in the NEP that looks like him, I'm assuming that Goku will fight Jiren first, then Vegeta will attack Jiren, then Vegeta does the Final Flash, then Jiren beats Vegeta. Which part will Shida do? And who do you think will animate the final battle between Goku and Jiren?

Shida is just storyboarding the next episode.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Ice85 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:40 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Ice85 wrote:
He is not on the next episode, he tweeted will be on an episode soon though, presumably he will animate something on the finale of the ToP.
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Ice85 wrote:

Shida is just storyboarding the next episode.
Oh yeah I forgot he's just storyboarding, my mistake.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by kinisking » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:06 pm

You guys don't actually think super is being replaced by kitaro? Seems like a pretty ridiculous move.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Noah » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:10 pm

kinisking wrote:You guys don't actually think super is being replaced by kitaro? Seems like a pretty ridiculous move.
Why not? Kitaro is actually a pretty good series :)
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by majinwarman » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:01 pm

Noah wrote:
kinisking wrote:You guys don't actually think super is being replaced by kitaro? Seems like a pretty ridiculous move.
Why not? Kitaro is actually a pretty good series :)
I don't think Toei would get rid of their money- maker show even if there's a movie about Dragon Ball coming out soon!
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:15 am

Okay this shot looks AMAZING!

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Hyped for #122 now.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by FartiliciousManChild » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:38 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Okay this shot looks AMAZING!

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Hyped for #122 now.
Just now??!? I've been hyped ever since i knew Takahashi would return, far before i even saw a single picture of 122!

You're right though. That shot looks so fucking good #TakahashiGod. We're witnessing pure greatness!
Even the bands (or however you call them) of his armor has gotten that lil tiny extra detail we don't usually see.

Edit: Although, upon further inspection. I'm not too sure how i feel about those lines crossing his face that's presumably supposed to be battle damage.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Amir » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:04 am

I'm hyped just as much as I was for the special. This is gonna be awesome.

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