"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

We should have news in 3 consecutive mondays as tomorrow we should get that interview the monday after the new titles and on thr 18th april the next manga chapter should leak.

It's going to be a big week for Super but hopefully the future Toriyama's going to talk about is anything but it ending soon.

What would makes this even better is if Xenoverse 2 is announced.

[namekiansaiyan]

We should have news in 3 consecutive mondays as tomorrow we should get that interview the monday after the new titles and on thr 18th april the next manga chapter should leak.

It's going to be a big week for Super but hopefully the future Toriyama's going to talk about is anything but it ending soon.

What would makes this even better is if Xenoverse 2 is announced.

I doubt Toriyama is going to say that Super is ending more like the opposite.

Xenoverse 2 or some other game will probably be at e3 and not at a japanese event because Xenoverse sold a lot internationally and e3 is the best event for worldwide reveals.

[alakazam^]

That's because Toriyama lately seems only to bounce between two opposite extremes. Now that many fans are aware of his "subvert expectations" policy it does make his work more predictable because he usually does so by setting something up, only to do the opposite. Which is now something fans see coming. But when you can tell that might happen, fans also predict that he could try not to subvert expectations, which fans ALSO predict because it's easy to account for both extremes.

Like Vegeta's involvement in Resurrection F. Goku losing due to a twist and Vegeta saving the day could be seen as subversive because that doesn't happen in Dragon Ball. But fans also saw that possibility coming a mile away, and then eventually many were convinced that Vegeta's victory would be a fake-out and Goku would win - which is what happened.

So my point is that if Toriyama wants to be unpredictable now that his "subvert expectations" policy is well know, he can't just continue that by doing the opposite of what he believes fans will expect, and he can't just double subvert expectations without people predicting it. He'd need to come up with something that isn't just the opposite of another thing.

Monaka falls into this. Normally, he would expected to be weak based on his appearance. Most readers know better and the story even points out that he'd be expected to be strong with his design, to the point where it's predictable. Whiiiich also means Toriyama might be doing so as a red herring and planning on making him weak after all, because the clues for it are incredibly obvious. Either way, the fanbase would have accurately predicted the result.

If that isn't a sign of predictability I don't know what is. Toriyama kinds of writes himself into a corner with these kind of twists where they're raising a question that can only be answered "yes" or "no" and there will be plenty of predictions for either side.

What's the alternative, then? Either he's predictable because he does the "obvious" or he's predictable because he does the opposite. There's no winning here.

[sintzu]

Xenoverse 2 or some other game will probably be at e3 and not at a japanese event because Xenoverse sold a lot internationally and e3 is the best event for worldwide reveals.

XV was announced in V jump a month before E3.

E3 is where they told us about it and showed us gameplay so hopefully the same thing will happen this year.

[Zephyr]

One of the only things that would legitimately turn my expectations on their head would be if Toriyama actually made a really dark story. Not super dark or anything, but something more akin to the Cell arc, in terms of tone and seriousness. If Super ended up going down that path, I would be incredibly surprised.

Given how he made Battle of Gods lighter toned due to the earthquake, I don't think he's going to delve into too dark of stuff. Given how he doesn't want to write stories where these characters are old, I don't think he'll want to progress into truly unknown territory where we don't know how the status quo turns out.

[Chuquita]

The darkest thing I could see happening in the immediate future is Hit doing to Vegeta what he did to Frost and having it so Vegeta's unconscious for an extended period with no one knowing how to wake him back up.

[kinisking]

That's because Toriyama lately seems only to bounce between two opposite extremes. Now that many fans are aware of his "subvert expectations" policy it does make his work more predictable because he usually does so by setting something up, only to do the opposite. Which is now something fans see coming. But when you can tell that might happen, fans also predict that he could try not to subvert expectations, which fans ALSO predict because it's easy to account for both extremes.

Like Vegeta's involvement in Resurrection F. Goku losing due to a twist and Vegeta saving the day could be seen as subversive because that doesn't happen in Dragon Ball. But fans also saw that possibility coming a mile away, and then eventually many were convinced that Vegeta's victory would be a fake-out and Goku would win - which is what happened.

So my point is that if Toriyama wants to be unpredictable now that his "subvert expectations" policy is well know, he can't just continue that by doing the opposite of what he believes fans will expect, and he can't just double subvert expectations without people predicting it. He'd need to come up with something that isn't just the opposite of another thing.

Monaka falls into this. Normally, he would expected to be weak based on his appearance. Most readers know better and the story even points out that he'd be expected to be strong with his design, to the point where it's predictable. Whiiiich also means Toriyama might be doing so as a red herring and planning on making him weak after all, because the clues for it are incredibly obvious. Either way, the fanbase would have accurately predicted the result.

If that isn't a sign of predictability I don't know what is. Toriyama kinds of writes himself into a corner with these kind of twists where they're raising a question that can only be answered "yes" or "no" and there will be plenty of predictions for either side.

What's the alternative, then? Either he's predictable because he does the "obvious" or he's predictable because he does the opposite. There's no winning here.

What pisses me off the most is that some people think they're so smart for predicting things when most of the information has already been given to them. Of course it's easier to predict things when there is tons of buildup already. And when they'res no buildup its called an asspull. So tired of this fanbase lol

[Doctor.]

I think Monaka has been incredibly unpredictable so far. I can't predict for the life of me how his match with Hit (if he gets it) will turn out.

[Kuririn Fan]

One of the only things that would legitimately turn my expectations on their head would be if Toriyama actually made a really dark story. Not super dark or anything, but something more akin to the Cell arc, in terms of tone and seriousness. If Super ended up going down that path, I would be incredibly surprised.

Given how he made Battle of Gods lighter toned due to the earthquake, I don't think he's going to delve into too dark of stuff. Given how he doesn't want to write stories where these characters are old, I don't think he'll want to progress into truly unknown territory where we don't know how the status quo turns out.

No thanks, i prefer the light-hearted stuff and i think that's Toriyama at his best. He's gag manga artist at the end of the day.
And what do you mean he made it lighter due to earthquake? What?

[sintzu]

And what do you mean he made it lighter due to earthquake? What?

BOG's original script was a bit dark and there was a lot of destruction, when Toriyama came on board he changed it to what it is today.

One of the plot points was Beerus turning everyone against Goku and he was going to be the reason the Saiyans were so evil.

[Kuririn Fan]

And what do you mean he made it lighter due to earthquake? What?

BOG's original script was a bit dark and there was a lot of destruction, when Toriyama came on board he changed it to what it is today.

One of the plot points was Beerus turning everyone against Goku and he was going to be the reason the Saiyans were so evil.

I know that, but it wasn't because of earthquake? That's just Toriyama being Toriyama.

[Kuririn Fan]

So Toriyama's note on Monaka from the Super book turned out to be foreshadowing no Monaka action in this arc afterall, just like I thought.

What note?

From the Super book released when they celebrated the anime's 30 year anniversary earlier this year IIRC.
I don't think they have up it here in Kanzenshuu's translations section, but Herms or another user translated Toriyama's notes on the U6 characters.
Can anyone help?
In any case, paraphrased it was something like: "The strongest person Beerus has ever fought! But will we get to see his power?"

EDIT: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... a#p1040167

I know that, i thought it was some new info from the book.

[alakazam^]

And what do you mean he made it lighter due to earthquake? What?

BOG's original script was a bit dark and there was a lot of destruction, when Toriyama came on board he changed it to what it is today.

One of the plot points was Beerus turning everyone against Goku and he was going to be the reason the Saiyans were so evil.

I know that, but it wasn't because of earthquake? That's just Toriyama being Toriyama.

If I remember correctly, Toriyama wanted a simple and fun story to make people/children feel better because of what had happened in Japan.

[DainIronfoot]

I think Monaka has been incredibly unpredictable so far. I can't predict for the life of me how his match with Hit (if he gets it) will turn out.

So many of the theories that people have come up with are just funny and amazing haha. The one i saw from Geekdom about him being the Oracle Fish had me loling. Only a few episodes to go before we may get some kind of revelation. =]

[Sodhi]

Toyotaro and toriyama's interview came today. Translations would be appreciated
http://vjump.shueisha.co.jp/comic/dbs01_sp_int/

[Araki]

Did they just upload the whole interview? That's surprising.

EDIT: Herms is translating bits on his twitter. Some very interesting stuff..

Q: Why is SSB blue?
Toriyama: "First I was going to have it be white, but that would clash with the 'next enemy', so I saved it for later."

Toyotaro: "Having read the new plot, I'm glad a certain character related to the future is getting involved. I'm a big fan!"

Holy shit. The obvious guess would be Trunks, but...

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Future Trunks? ...Future Trunks... FUTURE TRUNKS?!?

OH MY GOD YES! PLEASE TORIYAMA! He's my favourite character in the entire series!!

I pray that Toyotaro is referring to Future Trunks. Please let it be true.

[Shin]

Future Trunks better be the character they're hinting at... BETTER BE

[JulieYBM]

Is the character related to the future or is it a future character yet-to-be-named?

[Araki]

Is the character related to the future or is it a future character yet-to-be-named?

I think he is implying it's a character we know, since he's glad to see him involved and a big fan. So actually from the future.
Watch it be Cell, lol.

btw, it seems this is just a bonus interview, the one in vol. 1 is different.