It's not so much that I was placing the burden of proof on proving that something didn't happen; I meant to emphasize the ambiguity and unknown nature of whether or not Red's power was absorbed without making assumptions (such as the hypothetical manga adaptation following the movie and anime adaptations in having Red's power absorbed). I'm aware of the rules of burden of proof and I apologize for sounding as though I was contradicting aforementioned rules. Also, thank you for taking the time to detail those rules; more people need to be aware of them so as to make more proper use of them (myself included, admittedly).Jinzoningen MULE wrote:That's not how it works, burden of proof only flows in one direction. If it isn't shown, and especially if it's explicitly contradicted, the only logical assumption is that it didn't happen. If we don't hold true to that, anything can be possible, no matter how ridiculous. Occam's razor, burden of proof, etc. These are fundamental, universal logical principles.
My apologies; in hindsight, the word fallacy was a bit too serious of a term for a lighthearted discussion about a Japanese comic book.TAF108 wrote:I don't like to use the word fallacy when discussing something so informally. You do seem to grasp my point, in that just because they cover the same events, it doesn't mean the events transpired exactly the same. And we know the contrary is true for all three mediums, which all portray the BoG differently, despite have the same over arching theme and story. My point is that we see in BoG, that Goku does not absorb SSJG's power and continue fighting. Now, you could argue that Goku does still somehow retain it's strength, but we're never left with that impression. And then, they skip RoF, as you've mentioned. And then, in the Universe 6 arc, Goku parades SSJG around again, as a new form he can use at his leisure.
When Goku & Trunks go at it in the manga, Goku compares Trunks to Gohan. In a similar manner that Vegeta did to Goku during the Boo arc. This seems to fit the idea that their power is still somewhat relative to that of the Boo Saga, aside from their God forms.
So my point focuses more on what we're shown in BoG, rather than what we're not shown in RoF. I'll admit there's no clear cut line saying "Goku did not retain the power of SSJG, and does not have access to that level of power unless he transforms into SSJG", but I definitely feel it's implied. I'm open to having my mind changed.
I do understand your point and, while I politely disagree and believe that Red's power was absorbed, I respect and appreciate the logic with which you have come to the conclusion that Red's power was not absorbed. (Admittedly, my argument for Red's power being retained assumes that the manga's adaptation of 'F' would follow the movie adaptation. In that regard, your argument is more logical than mine, in fact.) Your argument uses sound points of reasoning that are not self-contradicting and it appears well thought-out. Though we come to differing conclusions, I appreciate the soundness of your argument and the work that went into it!
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