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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:55 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Except it's not a god, it's a magical Goku wank power up with a stupid name.
It's not stated, implied, or even hinted that there is any kind of magic involved with Super Saiyan God, while it's directly stated that Goku is a god in that form, and he even has godly ki.

And ending the movie with Gohan, Gotenks, and Vegeta stronger than Goku isn't really a Goku wank.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:You didn't see Gohan or Vegeta in the form, did you? Even though both of them were stronger than Goku in this movie.
But nope. Can't have anyone but Goku saving the day.
Goku came up with the idea to become a Super Saiyan God, not Vegeta or Gohan.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4
Context: when the Z Sword breaks, after Gohan trained with it for a day
Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.”
Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!”
Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…”

Gohan believes he's become the greatest around. Kaioshin says that he can definitely beat Buu with Super Saiyan. Goku wonders whether or not he can. If he wasn't MASSIVELY above Goku in base (which was shown by the ease with which he handled the sword), then this line would make no sense; it wouldn't be "I wonder" it would be "Actually, he's still weaker than/not much stronger than me, so he'll get slaughtered by Buu". The very fact that Goku even WONDERS if he can beat Buu in normal Super Saiyan would pretty much mean SS Gohan >> SS2 Goku.
Are you serious? You take that seriously?! It was implied to be bullshit assumption from Goku's line. Gohan had gotten stronger, but not that much stronger. Gohan even noted that his arm strength had increased, not his overall strength, and Kaioshin was assuming bullshit.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:35 pm

It's not stated, implied, or even hinted that there is any kind of magic involved with Super Saiyan God, while it's directly stated that Goku is a god in that form, and he even has godly ki.

And ending the movie with Gohan, Gotenks, and Vegeta stronger than Goku isn't really a Goku wank.
I don't know why having a special ki makes you a god now. Goku's god power up is nothing like any god we've seen previously in the series, and doesn't do any godly stuff (being a god is basically a job here). It's just a power up caused by holding hands and standing a circle that makes Goku's power level over 9 bajillion.

Shoving Goku in the spotlight by giving him a mega power up that no one else gets and having him save the day while the villain compliments him probably counts as Goku wank.
Are you serious? You take that seriously?! It was implied to be bullshit assumption from Goku's line. Gohan had gotten stronger, but not that much stronger. Gohan even noted that his arm strength had increased, not his overall strength, and Kaioshin was assuming bullshit.
First of all, cut the attitude.

Second, that line did not imply anything other than Goku's not sure that Gohan can beat Buu. If Gohan was still weaker than him, this scene wouldn't make sense, as there wouldn't be any wonder.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DHM211 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:08 pm

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:12 pm

Wait... is the whole arena now an ocean of Buu?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dario03 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:15 pm

Hopefully showing Buu saying this ends in the last panel means this is the last absobption page. I wanna see what happens next not just a bunch of panels showing people getting caught. And do we know what carbonite is in this fiction? Or is that their secret weapon or something?
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:17 pm

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Post by xJeffx » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:26 pm

I'm surprised no one has thought about making a energy shield.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:04 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't know why having a special ki makes you a god now. Goku's god power up is nothing like any god we've seen previously in the series, and doesn't do any godly stuff (being a god is basically a job here). It's just a power up caused by holding hands and standing a circle that makes Goku's power level over 9 bajillion.
Things changed now I guess. Goku's new form was called Super Saiyan God, he has the same type of ki that Beers (and presumably all the Hakaishin, Makaioshin, Kaioshin, Kaio, Kami, and other gods like Enma Daio or Shenlong)
RandomGuy96 wrote:that line did not imply anything other than Goku's not sure that Gohan can beat Buu. If Gohan was still weaker than him, this scene wouldn't make sense, as there wouldn't be any wonder.
All we saw was Gohan getting used in using the Z-Sword & noting that his arm strength has increased a lot, Kaioshin theorizing that the Z-Sword's purpose was to increase someones strength a lot (which made him assume that now the Super-Duper-Holy Z-Sword made Gohan the strongest in the universe), and Goku doubting that Gohan had gotten as strong as Kaioshin thinks. Kaioshin is stupid, don't take what he says seriously.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:17 pm

dario03 wrote:I wanna see what happens next not just a bunch of panels showing people getting caught.
Yeah... About that... :? :silent:
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dario03 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:35 pm

rereboy wrote:
dario03 wrote:I wanna see what happens next not just a bunch of panels showing people getting caught.
Yeah... About that... :? :silent:
I don't like the sound of that :(
Really that panel showing a sea of Buu and a couple panels showing the strongest people getting caught and some panels showing who doesn't get caught would get the point across.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:02 pm

Where is all of the Buu coming from?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dprez » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:12 pm

He could of been hiding bits and pieces of himself everywhere. Perhaps even mini Boo's pulling the strings behind the scenes.
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Post by Draken » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:29 pm

Zen Buu is actually just a figment of the Primal Buu's imagination, a being of pure energy so powerful he makes even Vegetto look like a speck of dust. He watches over the DBZ multi-verse and is the one, true, original Buu.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:34 pm

Draken wrote:Zen Buu is actually just a figment of the Primal Buu's imagination, a being of pure energy so powerful he makes even Vegetto look like a speck of dust. He watches over the DBZ multi-verse and is the one, true, original Buu.
Not sure why, but you said "Primal Buu," and I immediately thought of this.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:21 pm

Things might be getting good now. I hope we don't get another special after this.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Draken » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:30 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Draken wrote:Zen Buu is actually just a figment of the Primal Buu's imagination, a being of pure energy so powerful he makes even Vegetto look like a speck of dust. He watches over the DBZ multi-verse and is the one, true, original Buu.
Not sure why, but you said "Primal Buu," and I immediately thought of this.
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Oh I was trying to reference the DC Monitors LOL. But Spongebob is good enough :thumbup:
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:30 pm

Draken wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Draken wrote:Zen Buu is actually just a figment of the Primal Buu's imagination, a being of pure energy so powerful he makes even Vegetto look like a speck of dust. He watches over the DBZ multi-verse and is the one, true, original Buu.
Not sure why, but you said "Primal Buu," and I immediately thought of this.
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Oh I was trying to reference the DC Monitors LOL. But Spongebob is good enough :thumbup:
It made me think of some kind of Buddhist reference. Zen Buddhism... Buddha...:think: Buuddha :shock:
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Post by Xeogran » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:57 pm

So Yamcha is getting absorbed? Great...here i thought he would be all powerful -_-
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:59 pm

He should only be as strong as Android 17.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:12 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:He should only be as strong as Android 17.
Actually, more than #17. He has true natural strength besides his artificial one.
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