The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Darkron2151]

It doesn't matter if they fuse as ultimate or bsae, the end result would be the same thing.

I know, but it would yield to Elder Kaioshin's warning on not transforming before using the potara.

[Angelus]

Let's try this one for size..

GT SSJ4 Gogeta VS Beerus + Whis Potara Fusion
[Shadow Dragons Saga Gogeta. No fusion time limit. Note, AT said that SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10, while Whis is a 15]

My former versus'

Spoiler:

Mystic Gohan + Mystic Gohan Potara Fusion VS SSJG Goku
[Yes, that's two Buu Saga Mystic/Ultimate Gohans fusing. No time limit for SSJG]

Annin with her guan dao VS Old King Piccolo
[No flying]

Fat Buu (Pre Split) VS Kid Buu
[No candy beam or absorbing]

[In Brightest Day]

A couple of fights here:

- Dabura vs. Vegeta, Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).

- Nam vs. Bora.

- Z-Fighters (Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha) in the Saiyan arc vs. Bardocks crew (Toma, Selypa, Totepo, Pambukin).

- Chaozu vs Roshi at the beginning of DBZ.

- Chao Gohan vs. SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Son Goku, Mr. Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta & Kibitoshin.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

A couple of fights here:

- Dabura vs. Vegeta, Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).

- Nam vs. Bora.

- Z-Fighters (Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha) in the Saiyan arc vs. Bardocks crew (Toma, Selypa, Totepo, Pambukin).

- Chaozu vs Roshi at the beginning of DBZ.

- Chao Gohan vs. SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Son Goku, Mr. Buu & SSJ2 Vegeta.

-Dabura stomps them all. He's low SSJ2 tier.

-Probably Bora, idk tbh

-Bardock's crew, again, not too sure

- Gohan struggles a little with Gotenks, but one-shots SSJ3 Goku, and blinks SSJ2 Vegeta and Mr. Boo out of existence

[Angelus]

A couple of fights here:

- Dabura vs. Vegeta, Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).

- Nam vs. Bora.

- Z-Fighters (Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha) in the Saiyan arc vs. Bardocks crew (Toma, Selypa, Totepo, Pambukin).

- Chaozu vs Roshi at the beginning of DBZ.

- Chao Gohan vs. SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Son Goku, Mr. Buu & SSJ2 Vegeta.

Dabura, whether or not Gohan was SSJ2 or MSSJ while fighting Dabura. Vegeta, Future Trunks, and Piccolo, even if they ganged up on Perfect Cell in the Cell Games, would still lose.

Bora based on tanking ability. Nam's attack is also very easy to dodge.

Bardock's Crew, the one from the TV special, most of the time. If Tien and Krillin utilizes a Solar Flare + Kienzan combo, Bardock's crew gets slashed off. Yamcha could probably full nelson someone and then Piccolo could shoot a Special Beam Cannon through them both. Based on power levels on their DB wiki page, every single one of Bardock's crew, have a higher power level than the humans.

Which version of Chiaotzu? Whether it's 22nd or 23rd WMAT, then Chiaotzu wins. A lot of people say that the gap between the 21st WMAT and the 22nd WMAT is huge. Going by that, then Chiaotzu should be superior to beginning of Z Roshi. One more thing, Chiaotzu is shown to be a dodon ray spammer while Roshi doesn't spam kamehamehas.

Mystic Gohan. He'll kill off everyone else easily and then go on to beat up Gotenks.

[Darkron2151]

GT SSJ4 Gogeta VS Beerus + Whis Potara Fusion
[Shadow Dragons Saga Gogeta. No fusion time limit. Note, AT said that SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10, while Whis is a 15]

I give this one to Wheerus

A couple of fights here:

- Dabura vs. Vegeta, Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).

- Nam vs. Bora.

- Z-Fighters (Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha) in the Saiyan arc vs. Bardocks crew (Toma, Selypa, Totepo, Pambukin).

- Chaozu vs Roshi at the beginning of DBZ.

- Chao Gohan vs. SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Son Goku, Mr. Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta & Kibitoshin.

1. Dabura creams the trio.

2. Bora beats him.

3. Piccolo by himself is not too far from Nappa. Add in the others, and Bardock's Crew should lose the majority of the time. Bardock's crew is overrated IMO. They're all probably around Tenshinhan's level or a tad stronger IMO, mostly because they're still labeled as Low-Class Saiyans while Bardock is the only special one. Toma may be a bit higher than the rest, but nothing to Piccolo. Plus the Z-Warriors have better techniques. Unless they have Oozaru, they lose 7 out of 10 fights.

4. Roshi wins with some difficulty from the paralysis.

5. Gohan beats everyone who isn't Gotenks easily. He beats Gotenks however with a little difficulty.

[Angelus]

But based on the TV special, wasn't Bardock's crew taking on missions that even the elites wouldn't want to handle? Zarbon and Dodoria were even surprised that it was a group of Saiyans that took on Planet Kanassa.

[singsing]

GT SSJ4 Gogeta VS Beerus + Whis Potara Fusion
[Shadow Dragons Saga Gogeta. No fusion time limit. Note, AT said that SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10, while Whis is a 15]

I give this one to Wheerus

A couple of fights here:

- Dabura vs. Vegeta, Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).

- Nam vs. Bora.

- Z-Fighters (Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha) in the Saiyan arc vs. Bardocks crew (Toma, Selypa, Totepo, Pambukin).

- Chaozu vs Roshi at the beginning of DBZ.

- Chao Gohan vs. SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Son Goku, Mr. Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta & Kibitoshin.

1. Dabura creams the trio.

2. Bora beats him.

3. Piccolo by himself is not too far from Nappa. Add in the others, and Bardock's Crew should lose the majority of the time. Bardock's crew is overrated IMO. They're all probably around Tenshinhan's level or a tad stronger IMO, mostly because they're still labeled as Low-Class Saiyans while Bardock is the only special one. Toma may be a bit higher than the rest, but nothing to Piccolo. Plus the Z-Warriors have better techniques. Unless they have Oozaru, they lose 7 out of 10 fights.

4. Roshi wins with some difficulty from the paralysis.

5. Gohan beats everyone who isn't Gotenks easily. He beats Gotenks however with a little difficulty.

Bardock was labeled a low class Saiyan even when he became the special one. Goku is still considered a low class Saiyan even EoZ strongest being in universe or what have you. The classes are determined by birth and don't really mean anything.

[Darkron2151]

Bardock was labeled a low class Saiyan even when he became the special one. Goku is still considered a low class Saiyan even EoZ strongest being in universe or what have you. The classes are determined by birth and don't really mean anything.

So? We already know that Goku and Bardock are the special ones. So does this mean all of the Low-Class Saiyans are on the Elite level, even though they're labeled as Low-Class? No, because we only see Bardock and Goku being the special ones out of the lot. So there's no evidence to have Bardock's crew anywhere near Nappa's level. Granted, they could be, but it's not likely. Otherwise, it would've been noted. And the only one where they do note that a Low-Class Saiyan is stronger than most Elites is Bardock.

[Angelus]

Zarbon and Dodoria both recognized that Bardock's crew were taking on missions that the elites weren't taking, like the Kanassa mission, to which they were surprised that a group of low-class Saiyans took the mission. Also, near the end of the TV special, all those low-class Saiyans in that pub were laughing at Bardock and telling him something along the lines of "It's about time you guys sit back and let the elites handle it". Confirming that Bardock's crew has been taking on missions that only the elites handled. But yeah, they're still classified as low-class because they were born in that class.

That alien doctor also said that Bardock came back from missions half dead. Now, if Bardock was the most powerful guy in his crew, and he came back from the mission half dead, then it's most likely that his crew also came back in worse shape since they're weaker. From that, we can assume that all of them got some zenkais but Bardock had the highest "zenkai boost".

[CatouttaHell]

GT SSJ4 Gogeta VS Beerus + Whis Potara Fusion
[Shadow Dragons Saga Gogeta. No fusion time limit. Note, AT said that SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10, while Whis is a 15]

The Whis/Beerus fusion roflmfaostomps IMO. GT SSj4 Vegetto would be a better match IMO but even then I kinda doubt Son/Vegeta could do it.

[Hugo Boss]

• Mystic Gohan + Mystic Gohan (Potara Fusion) vs. SSJG Goku.
• Fat Buu (Pre Split) vs. Kid Buu.
• SS4 Gogeta vs. Wheerus.

Merged God Gohan could stick between SS Vegetto and SS3 Vegetto. SSGod Goku is on SS3 Vegetto's level, imo. Supposing Gohan somehow has the same battlepower of Goku, I think Goku is skilled enough to beat him before turning back into his base form (maybe even so he has a chance).

About Fat Boo, due to his lack of motivation, I don't think he could do any better than his good-self against Pure Boo.

At last, SS4 Goku and SS4 Vegeta could be around Beerus and Whis level, no? That would be a marvelous fight, but the gods have time on their favor. (How funny would be Beerus putting a earring )

• Dabura vs. Vegeta, Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).
• Nam vs. Bora.
• Z-Fighters (Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha) in the Saiyan arc vs. Bardocks crew (Toma, Selypa, Totepo, Pambukin).
• Chaozu vs Roshi at the beginning of DBZ.
• Chao Gohan vs. SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Son Goku, Mr. Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta & Kibitoshin.

Dabra turns Piccolo into stone and Trunks freaks out. Vegeta tries to fire dozens of ki blasts but with no effect. Dabra wins.

Bora seems stronger than any of 21st Budokai semi-finalists.

That would be a awesome match: Dragon Team vs. Low-Class Saiyans. I will give this to the humans. Earth must prevail!

I think Chiaotzu was still weaker than Muten Roshi at that time, but his psychic techniques could make him a troublesome opponent.

And.. poor Gohan. If you add Kibitoshin as a support, the others would punch and kick him to the death. It's unfair.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Super Vegetto vs. Super Saiyan 2 Gogeta

[Darkron2151]

Super Vegetto vs. Super Saiyan 2 Gogeta

I honestly don't have Gogeta that strong at all . He's on Buutenks' level as a Super Saiyan 3, which is Scrub-Level to Super Vegetto.

[Kamiccolo9]

What is with all the Vegetto vs Gogeta matchups lately? Have we not already covered this half a dozen times this week?

[Angelus]

Oh.. new match ups already? Hm, here's a few from me then:

SSJ Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) VS Fat Buu (Pre Split)
[Just imagine if they fused as SSJs the first time and then went on to fight Fat Buu]

Good/Mr.Buu VS Buu Saga Chiaotzu + SSJ2 Majin Vegeta Potara Fusion
[They fuse while at base and then turn SSJ2. No candy beam or absorbing]

Kibito Kai VS Cell Games MSSJ/FPSSJ Gohan

and here's a former giant match up:

Spoiler:

GT SSJ4 Gogeta VS Beerus + Whis Potara Fusion
[Shadow Dragons Saga Gogeta. No fusion time limit. Note, AT said that SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10, while Whis is a 15]

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Super Vegetto vs. Super Saiyan 2 Gogeta

I honestly don't have Gogeta that strong at all . He's on Buutenks' level as a Super Saiyan 3, which is Scrub-Level to Super Vegetto.

Agreed

Boohan > SS3 Gogeta >= Bootenks

Oh.. new match ups already? Hm, here's a few from me then:

SSJ Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) VS Fat Buu (Pre Split)
[Just imagine if they fused as SSJs the first time and then went on to fight Fat Buu]

Good/Mr.Buu VS Buu Saga Chiaotzu + SSJ2 Majin Vegeta Potara Fusion
[They fuse while at base and then turn SSJ2. No candy beam or absorbing]

25th WMAT Base Goten (pre-ROSAT) VS Ginyu Force, Cooler Armored Squadron (without Cooler), Tullece Crusher Corps (without Tullece), Spice Boys (Buff forms, Makyo Star Enchanced) and Lord Slug's henchmen
[No time stop or body change]

1. Gotenks was implied to be enough for Fat Boo. Gotenks stomps (imo)

2. The result would probably be weaker or like 1.15x stronger. Boo still stomps him.

3. Goten is close to CG Goku, he effortlessly stomps all these clowns

[Kaboom]

Mystic Gohan + Mystic Gohan Potara Fusion VS SSJG Goku [Yes, that's two Buu Saga Mystic/Ultimate Gohans fusing. No time limit for SSJG]
Annin with her guan dao VS Old King Piccolo [No flying]
Fat Buu (Pre Split) VS Kid Buu [No candy beam or absorbing]

— Goku still wins. Until we get it explained otherwise, I'm just assuming that SSG Goku, Beerus, and Whis are beyond what the heroes could manage in any other way.
— Uh... pass. I know who Annin is, kind of, but I'm woefully unfamiliar with that bit of filler.
— Pure Boo wins. He's still the stronger one, and he's more brutal and relentless in how he fights.

- Dabura vs. Vegeta, Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).
- Nam vs. Bora.
- Z-Fighters (Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha) in the Saiyan arc vs. Bardocks crew (Toma, Selypa, Totepo, Pambukin).
- Chaozu vs Roshi at the beginning of DBZ.
- Chao Gohan vs. SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Son Goku, Mr. Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta & Kibitoshin.

— Dabra was strong enough to contend with SS Gohan, and even given how Gohan had weakened somewhat by the Boo arc, both he and Dabra would still be a lot stronger than Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo. Dabra's added magic abilities probably help him counteract any advantage in numbers the trio might have.
— The coin I flipped says Bora wins.
— I think that Bardock's crew (whom I personally place all around 3,000 or so), would have an overall power advantage over the Earthlings, and Piccolo would be the only one able to fight any of them evenly. The Saiyans are probably going to win in the end.
— I'm going to say Roshi, if he fights seriously.
— Gotenks is the only contender who's even close to Gohan in power, while Goku would only be strong enough to get off a few potshots and act as an annoyance. But Gohan can easily contend with all of them for the 5 minutes or so it takes for Gotenks' and Goku's SS3 power to dry up, then they're all easy pickings for him.

Super Vegetto vs. Super Saiyan 2 Gogeta

With Super Saiyan 2, Gogeta can at least put up a fight, but in more of a Piccolo Vs Cell Junior way. He isn't quite on even footing with Vegetto yet. It would take Super Saiyan 3 to gain the upper hand in power and win.

SSJ Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) VS Fat Buu (Pre Split) [Just imagine if they fused as SSJs the first time and then went on to fight Fat Buu]
Good/Mr.Buu VS Buu Saga Chiaotzu + SSJ2 Majin Vegeta Potara Fusion [They fuse while at base and then turn SSJ2. No candy beam or absorbing]
Kibito Kai VS Cell Games MSSJ/FPSSJ Gohan

— Based on what one of his Daizenshuu bios said, and the suspiciously peculiar fact that despite complimenting his power nobody was urging him to go beat Boo or even saying he could, I presume that SS Gotenks wasn't quite up to the task yet. After using the Room of Spirit and Time, though, he can pull it off.
— Chaozu and Vegeta are such a hilarious mis-match that I'm going to say that they end up weaker than even SS2 Vegeta alone, and get their combined butt kicked by Boo.
— Based on how strong it seems Kaioshin was before (a notch below the SS adults) and how impressed he was with his increased power after merging with Kibito, I'm going to say he's at least on the high SS2 level now. Maybe even stronger than SS2 Goku or Vegeta, but still useless for other reasons. So suffice to say he has more than enough power to beat up SS1 Gohan.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Pan [Shadow Dragon arc] vs. Super Boo [SS1 Gotenks absorbed]

Am I the only one that thinks Pan would stomp?

[singsing]

— Goku still wins. Until we get it explained otherwise, I'm just assuming that SSG Goku, Beerus, and Whis are beyond what the heroes could manage in any other way.

So you're saying Gohan cloning himself and then fusing with himself would be a legitimate technique? I wanna see that