dbzfan7 wrote:
Where did that come from. Salagir's tier list has Gohan above SSJ3 Goku.
SS3 Z Goku.
Wait, this stuff pretty much completely contradicts Salagir's idea of tiers anyway! I mean, I knew Vegetto already did with how he moved up during the 20 years after the Boo arc, but that's still got me really confused.
He has Bra SSJ in the same tier as Gohan who Goku says is stronger than him.
miguelnuva1 wrote:@ dbzfan7
The novel. Someone showed it too me and then I came here because I remember Salagir at first was big on Goku and Vegeta haven't increased a lot from the Buu arc.
The novel hasn't got that far. Also refer to Goku saying Bra was stronger than him and she is classified in SSJ form to be in the same tier as Gohan.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
The novel. Someone showed it too me and then I came here because I remember Salagir at first was big on Goku and Vegeta haven't increased a lot from the Buu arc.
The novel hasn't got that far. Also refer to Goku saying Bra was stronger than him and she is classified in SSJ form to be in the same tier as Gohan.
I'd still be surprised as Gohan and SSJ Bra are in the same tier and Goku basically said Bra was stronger than him.
Also how is Gotenks stronger than Kid Gotenks. The boys did jack shit. Shouldn't they have gotten weaker like Gohan had.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Quick let's predict what happens on the next page. I predict useless babbling with people still being restrained.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Quick let's predict what happens on the next page. I predict useless babbling with people still being restrained.
Not quite, apparently.
Just more Vegito being...well, DBM Vegito.
How is Cell going to be any challenge. Even Cell knows he isn't. The Super Namek maybe, but even he conceded he was no match. Zen Boo is really the only one capable of giving Vegetto a challenge and even possibly beating him.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
miguelnuva1 wrote:How strong are Goku and Vegeta suppose to be here?
"Son Gohan... What power!" Exclaimed Uub. "I've never seen you in combat before!"
"Yeah, Gohan doesn't like fighting." Said Goku. "I'm proud of how strong he is, but he hasn't really trained since the fight with Cell... It's kind of a shame."
"Is he... Stronger than you?" Uub asked.
"He was ten years ago." Replied Goku.
So now we know SSJ3 Goku> Gohan at the least.
There's more evidence:
"Forget it!" Vegeta intervened. "Gohan is worthless. I could beat him with my eyes closed!"
The remark made Gohan smile. "If it makes you happy to think so, Vegeta."
Vegeta also smiled, remembering a time nine years ago...
9 years before:
Vegeta, whose clothes were torn from the battle, folded his arms across his chest. "Level three is useless. I intend to do much better. But if you hold back, I won't be able to."
"What could be better than having long hair and no eyebrows?" Goku asked humorously.
"It uses up too much energy." Said Vegeta. "It's powerful but far too limited. We must find a better solution."
"But to surpass level three wouldn't you have to master it first?" asked Goku skeptically.
"Perhaps." Said Vegeta. "But there happens to be a person in this very room who is stronger than level three... And even without a single transformation."
Psychopath Vegetto can sit and "breathe" on that asteroid forever for all I care. Hands down the worst thing in DBM. Worse than the specials, worse than the shoddy grammar, worse than the power level shenanigans.
miguelnuva1 wrote:How strong are Goku and Vegeta suppose to be here?
"Son Gohan... What power!" Exclaimed Uub. "I've never seen you in combat before!"
"Yeah, Gohan doesn't like fighting." Said Goku. "I'm proud of how strong he is, but he hasn't really trained since the fight with Cell... It's kind of a shame."
"Is he... Stronger than you?" Uub asked.
"He was ten years ago." Replied Goku.
So now we know SSJ3 Goku> Gohan at the least.
There's more evidence:
"Forget it!" Vegeta intervened. "Gohan is worthless. I could beat him with my eyes closed!"
The remark made Gohan smile. "If it makes you happy to think so, Vegeta."
Vegeta also smiled, remembering a time nine years ago...
9 years before:
Vegeta, whose clothes were torn from the battle, folded his arms across his chest. "Level three is useless. I intend to do much better. But if you hold back, I won't be able to."
"What could be better than having long hair and no eyebrows?" Goku asked humorously.
"It uses up too much energy." Said Vegeta. "It's powerful but far too limited. We must find a better solution."
"But to surpass level three wouldn't you have to master it first?" asked Goku skeptically.
"Perhaps." Said Vegeta. "But there happens to be a person in this very room who is stronger than level three... And even without a single transformation."
Either way Salagir has Gohan and SSJ Bra on the same tier with Goku stating SSJ Bra is stronger than him.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
So, Vegetto really did become a villain in U16, speaking of with, next special will be about how Vegetto was born.
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Well, wanting to break your son skull without any reason is quite mean, plus, in text fanfiction, he said he`ll hurt Pan, if Gohan won`t fight him, on other hand, Goku childish character and Vegeta temper, could create such big baby, who throw tantrum, when he won`t get what he wants. but, i noticed something else, how Vegetto managed to get there? I thought IT only worked, when you feel someone`s ki, unless he just fly there? But then, how you explain "light years away"? On main page it is say, that next special wil be about U16
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Magic Knight Rayearth get DVD release in 2015 and Blu-Ray release on 2016
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