The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[FNF]

Feats like Satan being hit by Cell and Buu and Trunks being hit by Buu are just gags which only purpose is to offer humour.

However, gags like Kibito not being able to even dead-lift the Z sword and Gotenks powering up hugely are gags which offer humour but are also there for the sake of emphasising a certain point ie Kibito being far weaker than base Gohan despite his excessive boasting and Evil Buu being far superior to base Gotenks despite him powering up to at least Fat Buu's standards.

People get confused and they often just write off all gags for no reason

@Fox, he still cared enough about them to think that they would offer a substantial amount of energy (so much that they could help make up the gap between c20 and SSjin Vegeta.)

[Saiga]

But we are comparing Mr Satan to Ninja Murasaki, whose whole fight with Goku was full of gags. If people want to use Murasaki surviving a hit from Goku into a wall, Mr Satan surviving hitting a mountain should also be counted. Obviously Cell wouldn't be using any power in that attack, but it isn't unbelievable for Mr Satan to survive crashing into a mountain.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Namek Saga Krillin and Gohan(before getting their hidden powers released by Guru) vs Nappa.

It was stated that Krillin/Gohan were training during the 1 month trip to Namek.

In a straight up battle, they wouldn't have a chance--if Nappa's not acting like a big dummy...

However, if they used a good strategy like dbgt mentioned, it's possible that they could pull something off.

[Kaboom]

They were probably both pushing 2000 or so by the time they got to Namek; they were read as "around 1500" by Zarbon, but it's unlikely they had to use their full effort against the two Freeza goons they beat.

Either way, Nappa's not only got a big power advantage over them at 4000, but if he's such a tank that he could brush off attacks from Piccolo at 3000-something, then even working together Kuririn and Gohan have no good way to inflict serious damage on him. Their only hope of even injuring him is a trademark Tantrum of Death from Gohan.

[CaBrPi]

Jinzoningen arc Piccolo (+ Nail) vs. Freeza (Final Form, 100%)

By this point, after three years of training, Piccolo was implied to have been nearly on-par with the Super Saiyans, considering how handily he smashed up Dr. Gero after being freed by Gohan, the way he was able to comment on Goku's sloppiness during the fight with #19, etc. We know that Super Saiyan Goku on Namek wasn't as powerful as he was when he fought the Androids, as he had just accessed the state and wasn't able to control it well. Later, Goku was shown easily countering Trunks's sword which sliced Mecha Freeza (who was said to be even more powerful than Freeza had been on Namek) into pieces.

So I think Piccolo has this, but, of course, it's probable that I'm wrong, so I wanted to get you guys' opinions.

[Saiga]

Jinzoningen arc Piccolo (+ Nail) vs. Freeza (Final Form, 100%)

By this point, after three years of training, Piccolo was implied to have been nearly on-par with the Super Saiyans, considering how handily he smashed up Dr. Gero after being freed by Gohan, the way he was able to comment on Goku's sloppiness during the fight with #19, etc. We know that Super Saiyan Goku on Namek wasn't as powerful as he was when he fought the Androids, as he had just accessed the state and wasn't able to control it well. Later, Goku was shown easily countering Trunks's sword which sliced Mecha Freeza (who was said to be even more powerful than Freeza had been on Namek) into pieces.

So I think Piccolo has this, but, of course, it's probable that I'm wrong, so I wanted to get you guys' opinions.

I think Freeza has this one, in terms of sheer power. I don't think Piccolo would have been above 100,000,000 before merging with Kami.

Unless Freeza is silly enough to cut himself in half again, that is.

[Kaboom]

At the very least, I think Piccolo is right around the 100 million mark. If so, then he does have a chance of winning against Freeza's 120 million... but he'd especially be more than capable of outlasting Freeza until the tyrant's 100% state starts to severely drain him. Then it's an easy win for the green machine. If Piccolo's any stronger than that, then he can just win regardless.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Piccolo is stronger than the earlier Super Saiyans by this point, so I see any version of Freeza being easy pickings for him.

[In Brightest Day]

I think Piccolo is stronger than the earlier Super Saiyans by this point, so I see any version of Freeza being easy pickings for him.

I agree with this.

Piccolo was adamant about the whole "If you can't help, don't show up" mentality even after seeing Trunks destroy Frieza, and had no qualms about fighting the Androids. IMO, that's Akira Toriyama's 'hint hint, nudge nudge' way of saying that Piccolo wasn't too far behind the Super Saiyans in the Android arc. Frieza loses pretty badly.

[FNF]

Yeah Piccolo has this in the bag imo. He is more than twice as strong as SSjin Goku was on Namek imo.

[Rocketman]

If Freeza starts out at 100%, then he crushes Piccolo like a grape before the power drain really starts to affect him.

[Nineteen]

I've got Piccolo as hanging right in the middle of the two benchmarks established on Namek, 100% Freeza and SSJ Goku. I think a rough estimate of his battle power at 135,000,000 would account for most of the dialogue in the early Android arc. Thus I think Piccolo takes it without really breaking a sweat.

That said, I think Piccolo could be substantially weaker than Freeza - say, 100,000,000, or only five-sixths of Freeza's full power - and still be able to take him, owing to (A) his ability to sense ki and (B) superior fighting skills.

[Michsi]

I'm certain that Piccolo is stronger than Trunks was at the fight against Freeza, so I think he could handle him at 100%.

[Fox666]

@Fox, he still cared enough about them to think that they would offer a substantial amount of energy (so much that they could help make up the gap between c20 and SSjin Vegeta.)

I really wouldn't take Dr. Gero imagination serious.

He said he would surely defeat Piccolo if he collected Piccolo's own energy, but failed miserable. He also said that if he collected Piccolo's energy again he would win against Vegeta, but I doubt he would even win against Piccolo with that useless power he gained.

Which is kind of ironic, since he has an advice to measure the enemy strength. I guess it can't be trusted against the Earthlings like the Scouters afterall.

[FNF]

@Fox, he still cared enough about them to think that they would offer a substantial amount of energy (so much that they could help make up the gap between c20 and SSjin Vegeta.)

I really wouldn't take Dr. Gero imagination serious.

He said he would surely defeat Piccolo if he collected Piccolo's own energy, but failed miserable. He also said that if he collected Piccolo's energy again he would win against Vegeta, but I doubt he would even win against Piccolo with that useless power he gained.

Which is kind of ironic, since he has an advice to measure the enemy strength. I guess it can't be trusted against the Earthlings like the Scouters afterall.

Dude, Piccolo was raising his Ki in short bursts. It's stated.

All of what he said was fact but he just didn't count on Piccolo being suppressed.

This is suggested;

Piccolo (actual)>>SSjin Goku/SSjin Trunks(Trunks saga)>Piccolo (initial)~Gohan+Tenshinhan+Krillin.

SSjin Vegeta>>c20>Piccolo(initial)

c20(Z senshi absorption)>SSjin Vegeta

I would go into more detail but cba.

[Rocketman]

I'm certain that Piccolo is stronger than Trunks was at the fight against Freeza,

I don't think he is. He still talks about Trunks like the Super Saiyan is well above him after the Android fight.

[Michsi]

I don't think he is. He still talks about Trunks like the Super Saiyan is well above him after the Android fight.

Yes, I think this Trunks might have been stronger than him. And it also seemed that that quote implied that he was stronger than Vegeta, which I don't believe.

[Fox666]

Dude, Piccolo was raising his Ki in short bursts. It's stated.

All of what he said was fact but he just didn't count on Piccolo being suppressed.

This is suggested;

Piccolo (actual)>>SSjin Goku/SSjin Trunks(Trunks saga)>Piccolo (initial)~Gohan+Tenshinhan+Krillin.

SSjin Vegeta>>c20>Piccolo(initial)

c20(Z senshi absorption)>SSjin Vegeta

I would go into more detail but cba.

The formatation of that kind of post is horrible, it is confusing and hard to understand. It looks like you are tossing random character names and keyboard keys.

[Kaboom]

I'm certain that Piccolo is stronger than Trunks was at the fight against Freeza,

I don't think he is. He still talks about Trunks like the Super Saiyan is well above him after the Android fight.

That's an interesting point. Trunks is still being used as the measuring stick, not Piccolo. It's kind of why I typically plunk Piccolo right around the 100 million mark. Which, in turn, would mean that 19 and 20 really were pathetic compared to 17 and 18, or even just Freeza, since Piccolo was able to whoop 20 even after he absorbed a decent amount of Ki.

[In Brightest Day]

I'm certain that Piccolo is stronger than Trunks was at the fight against Freeza,

I don't think he is. He still talks about Trunks like the Super Saiyan is well above him after the Android fight.

That's an interesting point. Trunks is still being used as the measuring stick, not Piccolo. It's kind of why I typically plunk Piccolo right around the 100 million mark. Which, in turn, would mean that 19 and 20 really were pathetic compared to 17 and 18, or even just Freeza, since Piccolo was able to whoop 20 even after he absorbed a decent amount of Ki.

Why would you place Piccolo below Frieza just because of Trunks being the measuring stick?