Unpopular DB opinions

[jjgp1112]

I don't think a fighter being able to one shot a guy even with a slightly superior power level when other fighters have survived bigger gaps is all that inconsistent; it's the same way a fight between two evenly matched guys can either go 15 rounds or end in a single punch. In this case, the full power ki blast is the proverbial right hook that should be avoided at all costs.

We even see later, where even though SSJ2 Gohan is still stronger than Cell, Cell's blast intended for Vegeta still nearly kills him, or how Trunks (and later Cell himself) going for raw power still led to an ass kicking because of shitty technique. Or Piccolo vs. Android 17, where Piccolo was superiror in power but 17's unlimited stamina was going to be a tipping point (similar to SSJ3 Goku vs. Kid Buu, where Goku could easily beat Kid Buu with a full power blast but Kid Buu was just gonna tire him out before he could get to that point)

[dbs fanboy]

Gohan is not a wasted character and he's actually pretty balanced now in modern dragon ball.

He goes through an entire arc in the Super anime even.

He starts out weak and being almost killed by Freeza, so skinny he was almost paper thin.

After that he learns his lesson and we see him training again with Piccolo, he even looks bulky again, in filler he does pretty decently sparring against Goku.

In the pre ToP arc he didn't do bad against Lavender even tho he was not at his strongest, yet.

Him getting ultimate back was not much of a physical thing as it is was a change of attitude and Piccolo even pointed out his flaws from the Boo arc.

He did decently in the Tournament and even hinted he would get a transformation if his own

And then in Super Hero he does it!

Not only that but at the end of the movie it's revealed he wasn't slacking off at all, since he learnt the Makankosappo and was not really out of shape he just was laser focused in his studies.


Fans are obsessed with Gohan being wasted potential because he's not a fighting junkie, but modern Gohan has it all, he is a father, he's a Geeky nerd, he isn't obsessed with fighting but actually keeps up with Goku and Vegeta.

He is actually fairly well utilized if you ask me.

This has me thinking that it would have actually been really cool if Vegeta's battle power (30,000 in the Kanzenban) had been confirmed to be a smaller number, than, say, Recoom's battle battle number (he doesn't have an official battle power, but let's pretend that it's 40,000), but Vegeta was absolutely schooling him because he had a tighter grasp on ki, until Recoom began to improve his control mid-battle. That would have been a really nice wrinkle to add to the story and character dynamics, while still playing on the Freeza Force's reliance on technology over martial arts training.

Heck that's pretty much what Goku was doing against Ginyu and even Freeza.

But then Ginyu cheated and Freeza pushed the legendary monkey button

[DragonBallSyndicate]

I wish they'd go back to their RPG style of gaming of the GBA and DS era. Kakarot is a good step forward and their 2D yet 3D format of FighterZ wasn't too bad neither.

[WittyUsername]

I think there's a middle ground and minutia there that's being ignored, because (often? always?) these discussions get reduced down to extremes.

As Number One Moro Stan Mike VegettoEX Kanzenshuu LaBrie, I'd love to see an animated spin on that arc. I absolutely adored all the characters, their designs (well... for the most part), especially their interactions, lots of incredible growth...

And none (well, very little!) of it has to do with "which number bigger". (Not gonna pretend I don't like big punch bad guy go boom stuff, myself, too!)

Meanwhile, I was separately optimistic about Daima.

Two things can be true. People have unique tastes.

Yes. And on top of that (both agreeing with you and kind of responding to WittyUsername), the people who were skeptical about Daima weren't necessarily just the power level enthusiasts either. I'm sure there were people who probably looked down on Daima for seemingly being more adventure-driven and not really featuring the characters' most recent transformations and power levels, but folks who weren't on board with Daima weren't just those types of people. Several of them just weren't interested in the premise (which, on the surface, seems to retread old ground by turning the characters into kids again) and due to its nature, being a prequel to a prequel (something that was already annoying fans who can't stand so many pre-End of Z stories with Super).

And at the same time, although tons of people talk about transformations when they say they want to see Moro and Granolah animated, it doesn't mean these people (and I'm sure others too) aren't interested in seeing other aspects of these arcs (story, character arcs, the new antagonists, interactions).

As for the Super Saiyan 3 discussion, I obviously would've liked to see his transformation tying into any kind of character arc for Vegeta in Daima (after all, anything would be better than nothing, and I can't say I would rather have nothing in regards to the story), but the very foundation on why people even wanted Vegeta to get this form in the first place is basically fan service, seeing him with it just for the sake of it. Power-level wise, he already have better stuff and higher level forms, so it doesn't matter for the PL enthusiasts (since people are arguing that's one of the reasons people care about it). Even if the writers came up with ways to tie it into Vegeta's arc, we also know in which stage of his life Vegeta is after Daima. They could do things with him, but it they don't...then whatever (kinda). In short, the form doesn't matter at this point, which is why I'm not bothered by him just kind of getting out of knowhere. The reason it's even here is just to show its existence, but it wasn't necessary at all. And since that's the case, people that like it probably just like to see their favorite character gets a new things that was not in the story before, even if doesn't have in-universe meaning behind it. I woud say it's not just about power levels either.

To be clear, I wasn’t trying to paint all the Daima skeptics under a broad brush. That’s simply what I observed from a number of English speaking fans on the Internet. To be honest, I myself was actually somewhat disappointed when I learned that the show takes place before DBS, though I guess they did that so they could avoid having to address the manga exclusive material at all.

Anyway, regardless of how you look at it, I don’t think it’s possible to argue that Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta isn’t just shallow fanservice.

[Jord]

I wish they'd go back to their RPG style of gaming of the GBA and DS era. Kakarot is a good step forward and their 2D yet 3D format of FighterZ wasn't too bad neither.

Fighting games and RPG's always seem to suit DB best.
Attack of the Saiyans was great, wish we'd gotten a sequel.

[ABED]

I'd like to see something along the lines of Idainaru Dragon Ball Densetsu

[OhHiRenan]

I wish they'd go back to their RPG style of gaming of the GBA and DS era. Kakarot is a good step forward and their 2D yet 3D format of FighterZ wasn't too bad neither.

Fighting games and RPG's always seem to suit DB best.
Attack of the Saiyans was great, wish we'd gotten a sequel.

It breaks my heart we never got an Attack of the Saiyans follow-up. I always envisioned Gohan, Kuririn, & Bulma being your main part on the way to Namek and then on Namek, with Vegeta, Nail, and Dende becoming playable during different points in the story. And obviously, we'd interject to Goku and Piccolo occasionally so they can level up and be a part of the story (though I always saw Piccolo & Nail sharing their stats).

[Hellspawn28]

I feel like Goku being an adult in the entire run of GT won't change much for the story. He would still get his tail someway in order to become Super Saiyan 4.

[Jord]

I wish they'd go back to their RPG style of gaming of the GBA and DS era. Kakarot is a good step forward and their 2D yet 3D format of FighterZ wasn't too bad neither.

Fighting games and RPG's always seem to suit DB best.
Attack of the Saiyans was great, wish we'd gotten a sequel.

It breaks my heart we never got an Attack of the Saiyans follow-up. I always envisioned Gohan, Kuririn, & Bulma being your main part on the way to Namek and then on Namek, with Vegeta, Nail, and Dende becoming playable during different points in the story. And obviously, we'd interject to Goku and Piccolo occasionally so they can level up and be a part of the story (though I always saw Piccolo & Nail sharing their stats).

In such games, I like the option to have at least Ten, Chiaotzu and Yamcha survive so they can go to Namek. Most notably, Legend of the Super Saiyan did this, as did one of the Famicon games. It makes the party bigger than just Gohan and Kuririn and gives some variety.
I would think they were planning a sequel due to the end screen, with the Frieza image, but I guess sales weren't there.

[MasenkoHA]

I feel like Goku being an adult in the entire run of GT won't change much for the story. He would still get his tail someway in order to become Super Saiyan 4.

The excuse that it was to nerf him always rang hallow when he didn't seem any weaker than he was in the Boo saga.

I feel like a lot of it was just wanting to take advantage of GT airing during the anime's 10th year anniversary, same reason we got another movie retelling the beginning of the story. Definitely more marketing influenced than narrative.

[JulieYBM]

I wish that they would have just made these opponents tough for Gokuu to fight, but it feels like Dragon Ball GT had next to none of the best staff working on it and Dragon Ball Daima just seems allergic to the notion of making the characters sweat.

[ABED]

I feel like Goku being an adult in the entire run of GT won't change much for the story. He would still get his tail someway in order to become Super Saiyan 4.

The excuse that it was to nerf him always rang hallow when he didn't seem any weaker than he was in the Boo saga.

I feel like a lot of it was just wanting to take advantage of GT airing during the anime's 10th year anniversary, same reason we got another movie retelling the beginning of the story. Definitely more marketing influenced than narrative.

He couldn't teleport and his younger body didn't have nearly as much stamina.

[WittyUsername]

I feel like Goku being an adult in the entire run of GT won't change much for the story. He would still get his tail someway in order to become Super Saiyan 4.

The excuse that it was to nerf him always rang hallow when he didn't seem any weaker than he was in the Boo saga.

I feel like a lot of it was just wanting to take advantage of GT airing during the anime's 10th year anniversary, same reason we got another movie retelling the beginning of the story. Definitely more marketing influenced than narrative.

He couldn't teleport and his younger body didn't have nearly as much stamina.

Goku not being able to teleport (for some reason) was really the only relevant downside to him becoming a child again. The thing about him having less stamina only came up once in episode 29 to explain why he couldn’t maintain Super Saiyan 3.

[OhHiRenan]

Fighting games and RPG's always seem to suit DB best.
Attack of the Saiyans was great, wish we'd gotten a sequel.

It breaks my heart we never got an Attack of the Saiyans follow-up. I always envisioned Gohan, Kuririn, & Bulma being your main part on the way to Namek and then on Namek, with Vegeta, Nail, and Dende becoming playable during different points in the story. And obviously, we'd interject to Goku and Piccolo occasionally so they can level up and be a part of the story (though I always saw Piccolo & Nail sharing their stats).

In such games, I like the option to have at least Ten, Chiaotzu and Yamcha survive so they can go to Namek. Most notably, Legend of the Super Saiyan did this, as did one of the Famicon games. It makes the party bigger than just Gohan and Kuririn and gives some variety.
I would think they were planning a sequel due to the end screen, with the Frieza image, but I guess sales weren't there.

A fellow Gekishin Freeza fan, I see. Honestly, I figure it has less to do with sales and more to do with Nintendo buying Monolith Soft & them pivoting fully towards Xenoblade.

[AliTheZombie13]

I never got the impression Goku was all that nerfed in GT either, but hey, I'll take what I get.
No teleporting means they can't escape the planet and call for backup if, say, the spaceship breaks down.
Then again, that still doesn't explain why Shin didn't help them sooner, but ehhhhhhhhh

[JulieYBM]

I really do wish that Dragon Ball would stop trying to work within the confines of the old stuff and do a clean-slate reboot so that the staff can make up new rules and do whatever they want without trying to keep one foot in the "Toriyama did this" camp. Not having to worry about all the characters' abilities and such for new stories would be useful.

[TheComicCurator]

Does anyone have any particularly unpopular opinions about Dragon Ball? I'll start off.

I actually liked DBZ Movie #11, which seems to be looked down upon unfavourably as the worst DBZ movie. Out of the 13 DBZ movies, it's my fifth favourite. Despite the fact that people dislike it for bringing back Broli yet again for a third movie appearance, Bio-Broli didn't appear to have any semblance of the previous Legendary Super Saiyan, so the only relation that you could argue between the two characters was the name.

It did have quite a B-movie plot, but I like seeing stuff like that intertwined with the DB world, giving it new twists from the characters and techniques (like how Trunks' story in the Cell arc was practically a Terminator rip-off, but took it further by adding a special DB touch, including the Androids and Cell). And at least the admittedly disappointing finale was better than yet another Genki-Dama (seriously, three movies used that finisher, and I'm not even counting #7) or the Toei Punch.

Furthermore, there was no Gokuu, Gohan, Vegeta or Piccolo here; it gave the underdogs, Goten, Gohan, Kuririn, #18 and Mr. Satan the spotlight for once. I also liked the simplistic yet somewhat amusing designs of the Bio-Warriors.

Its pretty amazing, actually. In the community of comic book readers, scalers, and debaters, there is a hoard of Dragonball scalers too that prefer to make up their own facts and revise translations with fraudulent photoshops. These photoshops are so prevalent, that they often make it into Tik Toks and Youtube shorts that get 1 million + views and have 40,000 comments. The funny part about it is that the truth and just reading off the real manga panels, or clipping something from the anime, is considered a bad take and is now regarded as the UNPOPULAR piece of data.

Been fighting this on my own Youtube channel for years.

[Jord]

It breaks my heart we never got an Attack of the Saiyans follow-up. I always envisioned Gohan, Kuririn, & Bulma being your main part on the way to Namek and then on Namek, with Vegeta, Nail, and Dende becoming playable during different points in the story. And obviously, we'd interject to Goku and Piccolo occasionally so they can level up and be a part of the story (though I always saw Piccolo & Nail sharing their stats).

In such games, I like the option to have at least Ten, Chiaotzu and Yamcha survive so they can go to Namek. Most notably, Legend of the Super Saiyan did this, as did one of the Famicon games. It makes the party bigger than just Gohan and Kuririn and gives some variety.
I would think they were planning a sequel due to the end screen, with the Frieza image, but I guess sales weren't there.

A fellow Gekishin Freeza fan, I see. Honestly, I figure it has less to do with sales and more to do with Nintendo buying Monolith Soft & them pivoting fully towards Xenoblade.

Those games are great and I would love to see a digital re-release. Some of them did get a digital re-release in the Jump Famicon mini, which makes me think rights issues could be worked out.
The first of those Famicon games, that covers the Saiyan arrival is a bit rough, but the succeeding games pick up the pace, with the one focusing on the Androids being my favorite.

They are slow paced but a rerelease could easily implement a fast forward button when necessary.
Another downside to the games, especially at the time have to be the weird cliffhanger endings. Really? Ending the game not with the defeat of Freeza but with the SSJ transformation must have been such a tease for the Japanese people that bought the game at the time.

[ABED]

The excuse that it was to nerf him always rang hallow when he didn't seem any weaker than he was in the Boo saga.

I feel like a lot of it was just wanting to take advantage of GT airing during the anime's 10th year anniversary, same reason we got another movie retelling the beginning of the story. Definitely more marketing influenced than narrative.

He couldn't teleport and his younger body didn't have nearly as much stamina.

Goku not being able to teleport (for some reason) was really the only relevant downside to him becoming a child again. The thing about him having less stamina only came up once in episode 29 to explain why he couldn’t maintain Super Saiyan 3.

Which is kind of a big deal. The ability to teleport became very important after it was introduced. Goku not being able to hold onto SSJ3 necessitated the need for SSJ4.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku being a kid would have been fine for a short while. Having him be a kid for the whole shows just feels offputing to me. Goku will out live his family and Chi Chi is married to a 50+ year old in a child's body.