The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Hugo Boss]

Meta Coola (hax) vs. Perfect Cell

Hax? Assuming you have both in the same level, Cell can open holes in Coola and obliterate him with a bunch of ki blasts. In overall, I see Meta Coola as strong as No. 17 at best. Kamiccolo could beat him with high-difficulty.

Final form Coola is waaay stronger than No. 17, and Meta-Coola is even stronger than Final Form Coola

From what I can remember, Coola was barely stronger than Freeza when he lost to Goku and Vegeta surpassed Goku in the Android Arc. How could Coola be stronger than No. 17?

[Super SaiyaJon]

1.) Meta Coola (hax) vs. Perfect Cell
2.) SSJ Gotenks pre vs. SSJ 3 Goku
3.) SSJ 3 Gogeta vs. Gotenks-Boo (no blowing himself up)
4.) 50% MSSJ Goku vs. SSJ Gr 3 Trunks (both @ equal speed and no energy drain)
5.) Base Vegetto vs. Gohan-Boo (no blowing himself up)

Perfect Cell should have this, depending on what "hax" are.

I think I'm giving this to Goku, based off the fact that Goku said he could've beaten Fat Buu and the fact that Pre-Gotenks couldn't.

Buutenks wins. Buutenks stated in the manga that the fusion dance was futile, that even if Goku and Gohan fused, it wouldn't be enough to take Buutenks. Buutenks knows the power of fusion and the SS3 (having absorbed both), and definately considers this. Considering Gogeta would be equal to or weaker than Gohaku (Either Gohan would have to lower his power to fuse with Goku making the fusion equal to Gogeta, or the resulting fusion would be much stronger than Gogeta). Based on this, we can deduce that Buutenks would still beat SS3 Gogeta.

Trunks easily. You removed the handicap, so as long as Trunks finishes it quickly than he wins with little effort.

Vegetto wins, barely. I take the Old Kai's words about Vegetto not needing SSJ as true. Although the beating would be nowhere near as bad as the anime filler.

[fadeddreams5]

1.) Meta Coola (hax) vs. Perfect Cell
2.) SSJ Gotenks pre vs. SSJ 3 Goku
3.) SSJ 3 Gogeta vs. Gotenks-Boo (no blowing himself up)
4.) 50% MSSJ Goku vs. SSJ Gr 3 Trunks (both @ equal speed and no energy drain)
5.) Base Vegetto vs. Gohan-Boo (no blowing himself up)

1. Perfect Cell. Meta Cooler is not stronger than 17 or 18 (equal at best). Vegeta and Goku are not ascended SSJs in this movie, yet they were able to beat one Meta Cooler. Of course, if they fought two at a time, they would have lost, similarly to if they fought both 17 and 18 at the same time. Perfect Cell is waaayyyyyy above this level. If he saw that there was a horde of them, he'd have no problem blowing up the planet and Geti (?) Star. Cell can breathe in space.

2. SSJ3 Goku is greater than SSJ Gotenks. If you mean SSJ3 Gotenks, then it's a perfect stalemate. Gotenks is stated by Goku himself to be more powerful and adept to SSJ3 than him. However, Gotenks' inexperience would give Goku a slight edge; his fighting IQ is vastly greater. Really depends on who lasts longer in the SSJ3 state, so Gotenks may generally have a slight edge.

3. Well, there is no SSJ3 Gogeta, but of course he'd win if he existed.

4. They'd be equal...I mean, Goku is holding back 50% for a reason, I guess. =P Edit: In hindsight, I give it to Trunks. Based on strength alone. They're equal everywhere except that, so Trunks would definitely win.

5. Base Vegetto. He only went SSJ for shits and giggles.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I think I'm giving this to Goku, based off the fact that Goku said he could've beaten Fat Buu and the fact that Pre-a Gotenks couldn't.

SSJ Gotenks is pre is heavily implied to be able to beat Fat Boo though. When he went to fight Boo in base form, Piccolo told him he had no chance, but when he went to fight Boo as a super saiyan, Piccolo was only worried about his time limit.

[Super SaiyaJon]

I think I'm giving this to Goku, based off the fact that Goku said he could've beaten Fat Buu and the fact that Pre-a Gotenks couldn't.

SSJ Gotenks is pre is heavily implied to be able to beat Fat Boo though. When he went to fight Boo in base form, Piccolo told him he had no chance, but when he went to fight Boo as a super saiyan, Piccolo was only worried about his time limit.

Goku outright stating he could've beaten Fat Buu holds more bearing for me than it being implied Gotenks might could win.

[Hugo Boss]

I think I'm giving this to Goku, based off the fact that Goku said he could've beaten Fat Buu and the fact that Pre-a Gotenks couldn't.

SSJ Gotenks is pre is heavily implied to be able to beat Fat Boo though. When he went to fight Boo in base form, Piccolo told him he had no chance, but when he went to fight Boo as a super saiyan, Piccolo was only worried about his time limit.

Not saying he couldn't, but Piccolo never confirmed SS Gotenks can beat Fat Boo even after seeing how he moves. I guess they could be on equal terms.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Uncontradicted statements in literature are fact. Goku said that Gotenks would be stronger than him and beat Fat Boo, and nothing contradicts that. Gotenks can't be on par with Boo either, because you can't beat Boo at equal levels.

And wouldn't it be weird of Piccolo to not send Gotenks into the rosat if he was weaker than Fat Boo? He only sent them in once Super Boo formed.

[Hugo Boss]

Goku never saw Gotenks moving, Piccolo did. I guess what Piccolo says in comparison holds more legitimacy, he could confirm it but he didn't.

If you ask me, I bet SS Gotenks could manage something against Fat Boo. I remember there were at least two instances where Boo could be beaten at equal levels, Gotenks vs. Evil Boo and Goku vs. Pure Boo. Goku himself beat most of his formidable opponents fighting on equal terms. It only happened that Boo had the edge on stamina, while Goku resorted to genkidama.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little”
Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.”

The way he says it makes it sound as though he already had an expectation for Gotenks, which would be stronger than Goku and Fat Boo.

[Angelus]

1.) Meta Coola (hax) vs. Perfect Cell
2.) SSJ Gotenks pre vs. SSJ 3 Goku
3.) SSJ 3 Gogeta vs. Gotenks-Boo (no blowing himself up)
4.) 50% MSSJ Goku vs. SSJ Gr 3 Trunks (both @ equal speed and no energy drain)
5.) Base Vegetto vs. Gohan-Boo (no blowing himself up)

If by "Hax" you mean the Meta Coola movie was set during the 10 days wait for the Cell Games, then Cell still wins. Meta Coola got beat by Goku and Vegeta. Cell wouldn't get beaten by those two.

This gets asked a lot and majority answer that Gotenks wins.

Should be Gotenks-Buu. Even if Goten and Trunks aren't as powerful as their fathers, being in SSJ3 form as Gotenks + Super Buu's power should put this in Gotenks-Buu's advantage.

Well, Goku does his IT+Kamehameha combo and Trunks torso would get blown off.

Vegito. He only transformed for fun. I think it was in the anime when Vegito turned SSJ right away.

[Hugo Boss]

Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little”
Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.”

The way he says it makes it sound as though he already had an expectation for Gotenks, which would be stronger than Goku and Fat Boo.

But Piccolo doesn't say "you are perhaps stronger than Boo now", instead he asks for a demonstration and he gets so, yet no specific note. It's interesting that Boo Arc is full of that kind of comparison, but here we have nothing solid.

[Angelus]

Was that what you mean by "hax" by the way?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Was that what you mean by "hax" by the way?

The hax is final form Coola being over 40x stronger than Freeza, and Meta Coola being even stronger than that.
Since, Base Goku (post-zenkai, M5) ~ SSJ Namek Goku

[Angelus]

But as of BoG, no base Saiyan could surpass Frieza.

Also where did you get those figures... that Cooler is over 40x more powerful than Frieza?

[Hugo Boss]

Since, Base Goku (post-zenkai, M5) ~ SSJ Namek Goku

I'm not familiar with this. It was even confirmed Goku powered-up from eating the senzu? Goku was basically the same from Namek.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

But as of BoG, no base Saiyan could surpass Freeza.

Also where did you get those figures... that Cooler is over 40x more powerful than Freeza?

Movie continuity doesn't match up with manga continuity. Also, Coola said Goku was strong enough to defeat Freeza prior to knowing about Goku's kaio-ken or super saiyan. So Base Goku (Movie 5) > 100% Freeza. Then Coola literally flew through Goku's kaioken x20 KHH, making him like 40x base Goku or maybe 30x

[Angelus]

Maybe Cooler wasn't specifically referring to Goku's state but just a "you're the guy that killed Frieza/my brother" thing. Like he's referring to Goku's identity, not his forms, because of course.. to be able to kill Frieza in a battle, you would have to be more powerful.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Maybe Cooler wasn't specifically referring to Goku's state but just a "you're the guy that killed Freeza/my brother" thing. Like he's referring to Goku's identity, not his forms, because of course.. to be able to kill Freeza in a battle, you would have to be more powerful.

That's why people think Goku got a huge zenkai from Coola's eye blast.

I don't see any other way to interpret it. Coola thinks Goku is capable of defeating Freeza, with out even knowing that Goku has Kaio-ken or Super Saiyan

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

V-Jump put Final Form Cooler at 470,000,000. That is just under 4x Frieza's 120,000,000. Not 40x.

If they absolutely intended on Base Goku >>> 100% Frieza, why would they afterwards issue a power level of 470,000,000 for final form? Besides, we pretty much accept the fact that 4th form Cooler is far inferior to Frieza. Cooler needed his 5th form to surpass his brother.

Maybe Cooler wasn't specifically referring to Goku's state but just a "you're the guy that killed Freeza/my brother" thing. Like he's referring to Goku's identity, not his forms, because of course.. to be able to kill Freeza in a battle, you would have to be more powerful.

That's why people think Goku got a huge zenkai from Coola's eye blast.

I don't see any other way to interpret it. Coola thinks Goku is capable of defeating Freeza, with out even knowing that Goku has Kaio-ken or Super Saiyan

Before Cooler transformed he stated that Frieza was stronger than him up until he reached his 5th transformed state. So we know his 4th form is weaker, but how much is the question. He could actually be 10-20x weaker than 100% Frieza in 4th form. We don't have any evidence to the contrary after all.

[Hugo Boss]

Also, Coola said Goku was strong enough to defeat Freeza prior to knowing about Goku's kaio-ken or super saiyan. So Base Goku (Movie 5) > 100% Freeza. Then Coola literally flew through Goku's kaioken x20 KHH, making him like 40x base Goku or maybe 30x

Coola said that also when Goku transformed into Super Saiyan. I think that should be taken more carefully in the leading. For Base Goku to have defeated Freeza, it can be stretched. Base Goku is stronger than Freeza's lesser forms. Somehow he could manage to kill him before allowing Freeza to transform. When Goku transformed though, Coola was more certain about Goku's victory, like Freeza never had a chance to begin with.