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End of Z SSJ Trunks VS Cell Games MSSJ/FPSSJ Enraged Gohan
Porunga (bloodlusted) VS King Piccolo (Youth Restored)
[No attacking/disarranging the Namekian Dragon Balls. Can King Piccolo pull off a kill like he did with Shenron?]
Mystic Gohan VS Kamiccolo + Buu Saga Vegeta Potara Fusion, Buu Saga Goku + Tien Potara Fusion, and Kibito Kai
[They fuse while at base. "Vegiccolo" turns SSJ2 and "Tienku" turns SSJ3 afterwards. No paralysis magic.]
21st WMAT Jackie Chun VS Nam, Giran, and Bacterian
[No Kamehameha]
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Angelus wrote:Okay.. match ups I edited out of my post yesterday:
Future Android 17 VS present Android 18
Ranfan VS Colonel Silver
[No stripping]
End of Z SSJ Trunks VS Cell Games MSSJ/FPSSJ Enraged Gohan
Porunga (bloodlusted) VS King Piccolo (Youth Restored)
[No attacking/disarranging the Namekian Dragon Balls. Can King Piccolo pull off a kill like he did with Shenron?]
- Android 18 wins. But Future Android 17 puts up one hell of a fight.
- Colonel Silver. Stripping was Ranfan's ace in the hole, without that, she ain't doing shit.
- Gohan stomps. Trunks at the end of Z would probably be able to beat EOZ Piccolo at best. If this was Buu Saga Gohan we were talking about though, Trunks would take this.
- Which porunga are you talking about? Because if it's the one after he gets an upgrade in mystical power, I don't see how King Piccolo wins. But if it's the version of Porunga before the upgrade in power, King Piccolo one shots Porunga.
- Future Trunks curbstomps. Yakon ain't doing shit if he can't absorb light/energy.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
After looking at Tree Of Might recently.... Piccolo is 18,000 and Gohan is 10,000. We also see Turles TANKING a Special Beam Cannon that Piccolo fired at him. No affect. He then makes very short work out of Piccolo, who has the same power level as Saiyan Saga Vegeta. Obviously Toei had different plans for the movies. They seem to follow their own story line. This could put the other humans between 5,000 and 8,000 in this movie.
And I made double sure I was right about this, I see Goku in base form passing 30,000 on Turles' scouter. We only see Goku using Kaioken after Turles eats a piece of fruit from the tree.
"Lord Beers, what are those?? Do they taste like root beer?" ~ Goku
Zombie wrote:SSJ2 Vegeta [BoG, Enraged] vs Buuhan.
SSJ2 Vegeta [BoG, Enraged] vs SSJ Vegetto.
Lets say Vegeta learns to maintain his rage boost indefinitely.
I don't think enraged BOG Vegeta is anywhere near as strong as Gohan and is just barely stronger than Goku. Soooo...
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Zombie wrote:SSJ2 Vegeta [BoG, Enraged] vs Buuhan.
SSJ2 Vegeta [BoG, Enraged] vs SSJ Vegetto.
Lets say Vegeta learns to maintain his rage boost indefinitely.
Vegeta gets beat down each time. His BoG rage boost only made him surpass SSJ3 Goku's power but that level of power isn't going to be enough to beat either Buuhan or SSJ Vegito.
I'm not even one of those hard corse base post > SSJ pre with 50x boost people who make Gohan like thousands of times stronger than Goku, but I still think Gohan should be on a level Goku can't reach.
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:
I wouldn't say "multi-folds stronger" but whatever.
Also, I have EoZ Goku far surpassing Gohan.
Like 10x at the least, in the Boo arc.
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First of all, it depends where you all put Super Buu. If you have normal Super Buu like 20-30x stronger than Fat Buu, yes by all means your versions of Gohan are dozens of times stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
There are no official numbers past Frieza. I personally put Super Buu around 3x > Fat Buu. So my Ultimate Gohan is not incredibly strong.
"Lord Beers, what are those?? Do they taste like root beer?" ~ Goku
Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:First of all, it depends where you all put Super Buu. If you have normal Super Buu like 20-30x stronger than Fat Buu, yes by all means your versions of Gohan are dozens of times stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
There are no official numbers past Freeza. I personally put Super Buu around 3x > Fat Buu. So my Ultimate Gohan is not incredibly strong.
Well as a firm believer of SSJ Gotenks post >> SSJ Gotenks pre >/>> SSJ 3 Goku, and I like to follow official multipliers, I can't see the gap as any less than 10x-15x
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:I'm not even one of those hard corse base post > SSJ pre with 50x boost people who make Gohan like thousands of times stronger than Goku, but I still think Gohan should be on a level Goku can't reach.
I can see Goku getting to Buutenks level easily.
"I am neither Goku nor Vegeta! I am the one who will defeat you!!" - Gogeta
