The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Angelus]

Hmmm, the versus thread has been on the quiet side recently.

Dabura VS Super Hatchiyak
[No stone spit]

Dende (End of Namek Saga) VS Base Goku Jr. (Start of A Hero's Legacy movie)
[Both bloodlusted]

Manga Buutenks VS Mystic Gohan + Buu Saga Tien Potara Fusion
[Imagine if Goku, for whatever reason, threw the Potara earrings at Gohan and Tien instead. No tribeams, candy beams, absorptions, or blowing up of planets. No fusion time limit]

Mercenary Tao VS Bandages the Mummy
[The mummy's bandage body wraps won't be flammable. They fight on an open field]

GT Hell Fighter 17 VS Cell Games ASSJ Future Trunks with sword (bloodlusted)
[Future Trunks turns USSJ if necessary]

former versus:

Spoiler:

Cell Jr. VS Post-1st day ROSAT ASSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks

23rd WMAT Chi Chi VS Crane Hermit
[No flying]

Android #8 (bloodlusted) VS Spike the Devilman
[No devilmite beam]

Ranfan VS Colonel Silver
[No stripping]

Future Android 17 VS present Android 18

[Galan007]

Hmmm, the versus thread has been on the quiet side recently.

Dabura VS Super Hatchiyak
[No stone spit]

Manga Buutenks VS Mystic Gohan + Buu Saga Tenshinhan Potara Fusion
[Imagine if Goku, for whatever reason, threw the Potara earrings at Gohan and Tenshinhan instead. No tribeams, candy beams, absorptions, or blowing up of planets]

It really depends which version of Cell you believe Goku was comparing Dabra's power to. If Dabra was being compared to Perfect Cell, Hatchiyack likely wins. If Dabra was being compared to Super-Perfect Cell, Dabra likely wins.

Buutenks was definitely more powerful than Mystic Gohan, but the difference between them wasn't insurmountable, imo. What gave Buu the major advantage were the zany attacks he duped from Gotenks(of which Gohan wasn't prepared for.) That said, I think Gohan would have a decent shot at winning if he Potara'd with Tien.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Gohan potara fusing with Tenshinhan is like Goku potara fusing with Mr. Satan. I think it would be like 1,000,000 + 1, or make Gohan even weaker

[Galan007]

Fusing with Tien is nothing like fusing with Satan.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

IMO, compared to Gohan it is.

Potara fusion seems to be based on compatibility, based on Kaioshin (made up of two fighters completely different in power) compared to Vegetto (made up of two people who rival in power) and Gohan is thousands-tens of thousands times stronger than Tenshinhan (imo)

[Angelus]

You have to look at the ratios though. Even if Mystic Gohan is at a power level of say 900 Billion and Tien is at a power level of 200 Thousand, then Tien is only 4.5 Million times weaker than Gohan. Compare that to lets say Mr. Satan has a power level of 7, and Goku has a power level of 1 Billion as a SSJ3 (though they will fuse as base before turning SSJ3), Mr. Satan would be almost 143 Million times weaker than Goku. Huge difference in ratio. Besides, this Gohan + Tien hypothetical fusion is only set for a versus against Buutenks anyways. Buutenks isn't insanely far more powerful than Mystic Gohan.

Also, take note, I'm just throwing in random numbers as an example of power levels. They don't represent how I think their actual power levels would be.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I think being even 100x weaker than someone is enough for the potara to be ineffective. But that's just my interpretation.

I wasn't being literal, I know the Goku/Mr. Satan gap is much larger than the Gohan/Tenshinhan gap, it was just hyperbole to show what I meant.

[RandomGuy96]

I think that if Gohan fused with Ten in base, and then "Goshinhan" went Ultimate on top of that, he could take Buutenks.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Oh yeah, base Gohan + Tenshinhan would be stronger imo, he just said Ultimate Gohan + Tenshinhan.

[Darkron2151]

Just gonna add something out-of-the-blue-here, but:

Krillin solos. I see each of Babidi's minions as equaling one of the previous big bads- Dabra is Perfect Cell (in between SPC and PC), Yakon is final form Freeza (specifically "base"/70% Freeza), and Pui Pui is Saiyan arc Vegeta in his Oozaru form. So, 180,000, or thereabouts. I tend to assume that Krillin is at least in the hundreds of thousands by the end of Namek going off of Vegeta's comments, maybe 300,000 or so, so even he would absolutely wreck Pui Pui.

...enough to let Buu arc Tenshinhan, who's probably around Ginyu's level, kill base Goten, who is in the tens of millions...

@Randomguy96

From your comments above on Krillin's and Tenshinhan's power, was wondering as to why you changed your stance on the Humans' strength. Seeing as how you saw the Humans as being in the low-millions during the Android Saga and up from past posts, what made you decide otherwise?

[RandomGuy96]

@Randomguy96

From your comments above on Krillin's and Tenshinhan's power, was wondering as to why you changed your stance on the Humans' strength. Seeing as how you saw the Humans as being in the low-millions during the Android Saga and up from past posts, what made you decide otherwise?

Nothing in particular. I just change up my stance sometimes. It kind of depends on what I'm feeling that day. Do vague implications and somewhat questionable feats override logic and precedents? Neither stance is technically wrong, and it doesn't really matter, since no one human is even the tiniest bit relevant in combat after Freeza goes to his final form.

[Angelus]

...enough to let Buu arc Tenshinhan, who's probably around Ginyu's level, kill base Goten, who is in the tens of millions...

And what was this statement referring to?

[Darkron2151]

...enough to let Buu arc Tenshinhan, who's probably around Ginyu's level, kill base Goten, who is in the tens of millions...

And what was this statement referring to?

When him and some others were discussing the strength of the kikoho and the kienzan, whether they were REALLY strong or just overrated. You'll find it if you go back a couple pages back, but they stopped and started a topic on it instead.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Not that we have any real numbers to chew on, but I think someone at Ginyu level wouldn't bother showing up to face the Androids (who he saw take down 2 Super Saiyans...)

[Darkron2151]

Not that we have any real numbers to chew on, but I think someone at Ginyu level wouldn't bother showing up to face the Androids (who he saw take down 2 Super Saiyans...)

Yet Krillin did nothing, and he was the stronger of the two.

[RandomGuy96]

Not that we have any real numbers to chew on, but I think someone at Ginyu level wouldn't bother showing up to face the Androids (who he saw take down 2 Super Saiyans...)

By this logic, they wouldn't have showed up even if they were way stronger than Ginyu, because they're still indisputably weaker than base Vegeta.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Not that we have any real numbers to chew on, but I think someone at Ginyu level wouldn't bother showing up to face the Androids (who he saw take down 2 Super Saiyans...)

By this logic, they wouldn't have showed up even if they were way stronger than Ginyu, because they're still indisputably weaker than base Vegeta.

I have Android Saga Vegeta and Goku over 6 million base. There is lots of room for the humans there.

[RandomGuy96]

Not that we have any real numbers to chew on, but I think someone at Ginyu level wouldn't bother showing up to face the Androids (who he saw take down 2 Super Saiyans...)

By this logic, they wouldn't have showed up even if they were way stronger than Ginyu, because they're still indisputably weaker than base Vegeta.

I have Android Saga Vegeta and Goku over 6 million base. There is lots of room for the humans there.

So? Again, it doesn't matter how strong they are given that hard limit. They're weaker than the base saiyans who are x50 weaker than the Super Saiyans. Either way, they'd be worthless against foes Goku actually needed to use SS against. So they obviously didn't show up due to confidence in their strength.

[Angelus]

They showed up because they were warned by Future Trunks about it and that's why they specifically trained in preparation. And coming together would be a better option than if they were separated. Future Trunks did describe the androids to be super powerful, after all. Think about this way, if they didn't show up, and everyone else died, then they would be the only ones left... and they would just get killed off by the Androids one by one. To top it off, they were all friends/acquaintances with the same goal in mind: to stop the androids. If they didn't show up and the Androids were killed anyways, what kind of friends would that make them? The only one who didn't show up was Chiaotzu and it was only because Tien told him not to. Tien even explained why Chiaotzu didn't show up.

Wouldn't you have showed up if you were one of the humans, @Eternal Super Saiyan?

Why do you think the humans showed up, @RandomGuy96?

One thing to also note... add in the humans with Piccolo, SSJ Vegeta, and SSJ Future Trunks.. and 17 deemed that situation overwhelming for 18 alone.

[RandomGuy96]

Why do you think the humans showed up, @RandomGuy96?

What else were they gonna do? Best to show up and watch the fight, and maybe take a swing at the androids as one last show of defiance if Goku and Piccolo can't win. Heck, Bulma even says Yajirobe should go.