The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ Gogeta vs. SSJ 2 Gotenks

I don't have the children that much weaker than the adults, especially after the ROSAT. SSJ2 Gotenks (Pre) would win with little difficulty. SSJ2 Gotenks (Post) would have no trouble at all beating Daddy.

Thank god someone understands. I have the kids at like 70% + of their fathers.

[singsing]

SSJ Gogeta vs. SSJ 2 Gotenks

I don't have the children that much weaker than the adults, especially after the ROSAT. SSJ2 Gotenks (Pre) would win with little difficulty. SSJ2 Gotenks (Post) would have no trouble at all beating Daddy.

Thank god someone understands. I have the kids at like 70% + of their fathers.

I'm going to assume that statement means "thank god someone understands i have my own personal point of view that is completely subjective" and not "thank god someone understands my opinion is fact and correct", since you for some reason imo use that second one a lot.

Personally, Gogeta stomps.

[Darkron2151]

Time to throw in some Match-Ups:

• Hypothetical Majin Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc)
  
  Hypothetical Ultimate (Elder Kaioshin Ritual) Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Arc)
  
  Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga) and Super Saiyan Trunks (Trunks Saga)
  
  Hypothetical Kaio-Ken x20 Piccolo (Cell Games) vs. Super Perfect Cell (Cell Games)
  *Would he be able to Completely destroy Cell?*
  
  Zarboria (Dodoria and Zarbon Potara Fusion) vs. Freeza (All Forms)
  *What's the highest form/percentage the fusion gets to before losing?*
  
  Hypothetical Enraged Super Saiyan 3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Kid Buu
  *Will Gohan stop fooling around and actually finish his opponent? Or will his power even compare to Buu's?*

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Hypothetical Majin Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc)

The Majin Boost is basically a potential unlock sort thing, and Piccolo's hit his limit imo, hence why he didn't use the rosat twice. Goku still wins

Hypothetical Ultimate (Elder Kaioshin Ritual) Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Arc)

read above

Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga) and Super Saiyan Trunks (Trunks Saga)

SSJ Vegeta >/~ Healthy SSJ Goku > Sick SSJ Goku > Yardrat SSJ Goku > SSJ mecha arc Trunks. Vegeta easily.

Hypothetical Kaio-Ken x20 Piccolo (Cell Games) vs. Super Perfect Cell (Cell Games)

Piccolo's still fodder tbh

Zarboria (Dodoria and Zarbon Potara Fusion) vs. Freeza (All Forms)

My formula pegs them at 45,120,000. One-shots forms 1-3 and gets one-shotted by 100% Freeza

Hypothetical Enraged Super Saiyan 3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Kid Buu

They're almost equals. Kid Buu takes it due to stamina and regeneration.

[RandomGuy96]

Time to throw in some Match-Ups:

• Hypothetical Majin Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc)
  
  Hypothetical Ultimate (Elder Kaioshin Ritual) Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Arc)
  
  Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga) and Super Saiyan Trunks (Trunks Saga)
  
  Hypothetical Kaio-Ken x20 Piccolo (Cell Games) vs. Super Perfect Cell (Cell Games)
  *Would he be able to Completely destroy Cell?*
  
  Zarboria (Dodoria and Zarbon Potara Fusion) vs. Freeza (All Forms)
  *What's the highest form/percentage the fusion gets to before losing?*
  
  Hypothetical Enraged Super Saiyan 3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Kid Buu
  *Will Gohan stop fooling around and actually finish his opponent? Or will his power even compare to Buu's?*

Assuming that Majin Piccolo would get anywhere near the same boost as Majin Vegeta, the difference between regular and Majin Piccolo is completely irrelevant in this match-up. Goku one-shots.

There's no way to tell. At all.

Vegeta. Goku made a lot of progress since then, and Vegeta was stronger than him.

Piccolo wipes out Cell in one hit.

No idea. He'd make Freeza go to his final form, at least.

Enraged SS2 Gohan < SS2 Goku. Therefore, Enraged SS3 Gohan < SS3 Goku. Gohan loses here.

[Darkron2151]

The Majin Boost is basically a potential unlock sort thing, and Piccolo's hit his limit imo, hence why he didn't use the rosat twice. Goku still wins

Yes, the "Majin Boost" is somewhat of a potential unlock, but nowhere is it shown to be anything of great magnitude. By that logic, Majin Vegeta is the strongest form of Vegeta, ever, and can't get any stronger from there since he has no more potential to unlock, which we know is wrong due to BOG and Toriyama's statements regarding the time placement of BOG, where everybody was at their "strongest". Elder Guru's potential unlock and Elder Kaioshin's were FAR more affective. The Majin boost unlocks a little bit, but that's about it. At least enough to close the gap between Goku and Vegeta. But as Randomguy said, that's assuming IF Piccolo even gets the same boost or if the boost is the same to everyone.

As for Piccolo's power, he may have hit somewhat of a plateau, but it's nowhere stated that that's the highest he's ever going to go, ever. And he probably didn't take the second ROSAT trip was because he still didn't feel like he would stand a chance against Cell, much less the Super Saiyans. And judging from the results from the 7 years of training afterwards, he would've been right.

Just to add, wasn't it said from Elder Kaioshin that the ritual actually brings the user passed his limits? May've been a dub-line but idk.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Old Kaioshin did say he brings them far~~~ beyond their limits or something. But even so, Piccolo showed minimal improvements over the 7 years. At best I'd say he hits low SSJ 2 tier

[Angelus]

Time to throw in some Match-Ups:

• Hypothetical Majin Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc)
  
  Hypothetical Ultimate (Elder Kaioshin Ritual) Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Arc)
  
  Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga) and Super Saiyan Trunks (Trunks Saga)
  
  Hypothetical Kaio-Ken x20 Piccolo (Cell Games) vs. Super Perfect Cell (Cell Games)
  *Would he be able to Completely destroy Cell?*
  
  Zarboria (Dodoria and Zarbon Potara Fusion) vs. Freeza (All Forms)
  *What's the highest form/percentage the fusion gets to before losing?*
  
  Hypothetical Enraged Super Saiyan 3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Kid Buu
  *Will Gohan stop fooling around and actually finish his opponent? Or will his power even compare to Buu's?*

I would still give it to Goku due to his very effective IT+Kamehameha combo. Close match though.

I can't see Piccolo being at a level of a SSJ3 even after that unlock. Maybe half of SSJ3 Goku's power at best, IMO.

Goku and Trunks takes this after a difficult fight. I don't see Vegeta being that much more powerful compared to Trunks Saga SSJ Goku. Besides.. Goku can perform a IT+Kamehameha combo.

Piccolo wrecks SPC. x20 of his Cell Games self would be a beast. He may not have a Kamehameha but he sure can muster up enough Ki and blast it at SPC to wipe him out.

Frieza's lower forms will get destroyed just because of the sheer power of a potara fusion. As for Frieza's 100% final form... If we go by the usual PL x PL formula, then Zarboria stomps. If we go with the [PL + PL] x 25 to 100 Multiplier, then Zarboria gets raped.

So basically, this Gohan would be similar in power with Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku. 50/50, I'd say, because of Kid Buu insane fighting style and regen... but that's the same rate of winning SSJ3 Goku had anyways.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

If we got with the [PL + PL] x 25 to 100 Multiplier

I always use this potara formula:

Where A > B
Potara = {A + B} x what % B is of A} x 10 = base
---{i.e; {100 + 100} x 100 = 20,000} x 10 = 200,000
---------{100 + 50} x 50 = 7,500} x 10 = 75,000
---------{100 + 75} x 75 = 13,125} x 10 = 131,250

potara seems based off compatibility, as demonstrated where weak*ss Kibitoshin was made up of two fighters with completely different PLs and Vegetto was made of two people who had the same power.

Also Old Kaioshin said Goku and Vegeta were rivals, thus making the fusion more complete. Since he doesn't know Vegeta he could've meant they rival in power, or he just has plot wisdom

[Angelus]

Going by your formula, Zarboria would have a power level of 32.5 Million. Still not enough to beat 100% final form Frieza. And I took into account Transformed Zarbon's PL:
[43,000] + [22,000] x 50 = 3,250,000 x 10 = 32,500,000

There's got to be a few kinks in your formula then because regular Zarbon + Dodoria potara would be [22,000] + [23,000] x 96 = 4,320,000 x 10 = 43,200,000.

Alright, time for me to throw in my match ups:

GT Super 17 VS Androids Saga SSJ Vegito
[No absorbing]

King Piccolo VS Tarble (armored but with no scouter)
[No tail grabbing/cutting]

Captain Ginyu VS Anime Great Apes King Vegeta, Infant Broly, Kid Prince Vegeta, Paragus (first appearance), Nappa, and TV Special Bardock and his team
[All the apes solely attack Ginyu. No change body or tail cutting/grabbing]

Giran VS Fangs the Vampire

Kibito VS SSJ Future Trunks (TV Special, first transformation after Future Gohan's death)
[No magic materialization]

former versus:

Spoiler:

Yakon VS Android 14

Vegeta (Post-Recoome fight senzu bean zenkai) VS Gohan (during Frieza and King Cold's arrival on Earth)

Frieza Saga SSJ Goku VS Damaged Android 16 (Post Semi-Perfect Cell fight)
[No self destruction]

Yetti (from Planet Arlia) VS Saiyan Saga Yamcha

Buff Garlic Jr. VS Vegeta (Post-Dende Healing on Namek)
[This is the filler Makyo-Star Enhanced and Immortal Garlic Jr, except in this fight he's not actually Immortal but retains the same level of power]

Kibito Kai VS Fat Janemba

Android #8 (bloodlusted) VS Spike the Devilman
[No devilmite beam]

Burter VS Piccolo (No weighted clothing on, Pre-Nail Fusion, first arrival on Planet Namek)
[If Burter can't handle it alone, Jeice steps in to help]

Mercenary Tao VS Bandages the Mummy
[The mummy's bandage body wraps won't be flammable. They fight on an open field]

Manga Buutenks VS Mystic Gohan + Buu Saga Tien Potara Fusion
[Imagine if Goku, for whatever reason, threw the Potara earrings at Gohan and Tien instead. No tribeams, candy beams, absorptions, or blowing up of planets. No fusion time limit]

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Going by your formula, Zarboria would have a power level of 32.5 Million. Still not enough to beat 100% final form Freeza. And I took into account Transformed Zarbon's PL:
[43,000] + [22,000] x 50 = 3,250,000 x 10 = 32,500,000

Transformed Zarbon was maybe 30,000.
43,000 is around where I have Recoome, or just under.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Going by your formula, Zarboria would have a power level of 32.5 Million. Still not enough to beat 100% final form Freeza. And I took into account Transformed Zarbon's PL:
[43,000] + [22,000] x 50 = 3,250,000 x 10 = 32,500,000

There's got to be a few kinks in your formula then because regular Zarbon + Dodoria potara would be [22,000] + [23,000] x 96 = 4,320,000 x 10 = 43,200,000.

That's exactly the point. The closer in battle power, the better the result. That's why Goku + Mr. Satan would end up weaker than Goku

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

GT Super 17 VS Androids Saga SSJ Vegito

17 one-shots. Make it SSJ 3 Boo arc Vegetto and he might put up a fight

King Piccolo VS Tarble

Tarble

Captain Ginyu VS Anime Great Apes King Vegeta, Infant Broly, Kid Prince Vegeta, Paragus (first appearance), Nappa, and TV Special Bardock and his team

uh... idk..

Kibito VS SSJ Future Trunks (TV Special, first transformation after Future Gohan's death)

Probs Future Trunks

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Some versus:

1) SSJ Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ 3 Gogeta

2) SSJ 2 Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ Vegetto

3) SSJ 3 Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ 2 Vegetto

4) SSJ Gr 3 Kid Future Trunks vs. 100% Freeza
[young version before Gohan died, manga - no speed loss]

[Darkron2151]

Some versus:

1) SSJ Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ 3 Gogeta

2) SSJ 2 Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ Vegetto

3) SSJ 3 Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ 2 Vegetto

4) SSJ Gr 3 Kid Future Trunks vs. 100% Freeza
[young version before Gohan died, manga - no speed loss]

1. Trunten stomps.

2. Trunten wins with some difficulty.

3. Trunten wins with little to no difficulty.

4. In the manga, Base Gohan was sparring with him and seemingly had the advantage, and that was when Trunks was a Super Saiyan. Not only that, One-Armed Gohan didn't even pass Yardrat Goku. Freeza stomps HARD. Heck, 10% Freeza could probably take him easily.

[Angelus]

Here's a quick one:

Saiyan Saga Goku VS Bardock (TV Special, shortly before landing on Planet Meat)
[No Kaioken, No visions]

SSJ2FutureGohan, that's quite the triple post. It would be best to edit that into one post. ;p

Some versus:

1) SSJ Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ 3 Gogeta

2) SSJ 2 Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ Vegetto

3) SSJ 3 Trunten [potara] vs. SSJ 2 Vegetto

4) SSJ Gr 3 Kid Future Trunks vs. 100% Freeza
[young version before Gohan died, manga - no speed loss]

I give it to Trunten. I'm one of those that think that SSJ3 Gogeta wouldn't have won against Gohan-Buu.

I give it to Vegito with extreme difficulty due to experience and techniques, although Trunten would have the power advantage. Vegito can't be twice as powerful as Trunten.

Trunten because he's a SSJ3, which is 4 times more powerful than a SSJ2. Vegito can't handle someone that much more powerful.

I'm not sure because I never read the manga special about Future Trunks.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Saiyan arc Goku wins

[Angelus]

How powerful do you think TV special Bardock was before he landed on Planet Meat?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Wasn't he 10,000 or so? I haven't seen that special in a while but I remember that number being said somewhere in the movie.

[Angelus]

"If he keeps this up, he's going to become stronger than King Vegeta"

The scientists said so after his recovery, in a healing tank, from the Kanassa mission.

Wait so... if you thought Bardock was at 10,000.. why did you think Goku would have won?