Unpopular DB opinions

[JulieYBM]

The point is to draw in new audiences, not placate fans in their 30s and 40s like us.

[WittyUsername]

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the past decade of Dragon ball content already managed to do the job of bringing in new fans. Even the video games have been selling better than they ever had in the past.

[JulieYBM]

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the past decade of Dragon ball content already managed to do the job of bringing in new fans. Even the video games have been selling better than they ever had in the past.

And in five or ten years, it'll be time to bring in new fans again, not to mention recast more actors. A second adaption from scratch makes sense.

[PowerPhantom245]

Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and Resurrection F was underwhelming and hasn't aged very well, especially decade later.
I also wished they didn't used "Z" in title; I understand it is continuation of Z (ignoring GT), but I honestly that's one of the reason why I have an issue with movie. It doesn't feel like "Z" that I grew up with.
It reminds me of how James Rolfe (Angry Video Game Nerd) had issue with Chinese Democracy, where it should not have been released under Guns N' Roses, since it's not the same as it was before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U-I1OF82qE
It's not the similar issue per-se, but more of personal issue.

Battle of Gods was meant to be major comeback to the franchise, especially after infamous live action adaptation, Dragonball Evolution, got overwhelmingly negative reception from fans and audiences, so I can understand its appeal, and it did have interesting new idea.
Resurrection F, really felt short and lackluster, since it was just an excuse to bring back Frieza and give him new power-up.
Both movies had interesting ideas, but felt short on execution.
I don't hate them and they are not a bad movies, but I honestly wish it was better.

[NoAKAsNeeded]

"Both movies had interesting ideas, but felt short on execution."

I think this might Dragon Ball's biggest weakness.

New ideas.

Like, Dragon Ball could be Pokémon.

Literally, the same show arc after arc but the new ideas come in the form of villains, which is practically what it is.

[NoAKAsNeeded]

I think Dragonball's biggest weakness is too many main characters.

This show could be Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo with sometimes Trunks and Gohan. And it'd be perfect

[Hellspawn28]

Masako Nozawa as Bardock is my least favorite role from her. I almost wish they had a different actor for the role.

[Scsigs]

Masako Nozawa as Bardock is my least favorite role from her. I almost wish they had a different actor for the role.

Masako Nozawa, in general, is overused as almost every male member of Goku's family & I wish she didn't play Gohan, Goten, or Bardock, tbh. Someone once tried to justify her playing Gohan because 1 of the manga chapters refers to him as "mini Goku," but that's taking that a bit too literally & really doesn't make any sense because Gohan's not Goku. Literally, to call someone's kid a "mini [them]" is to just say that they're their kid. Nothing more, nothing less. This doesn't mean they should have the same voice as their parents in animation, especially when the voice tone isn't any different than the older one. The dubs have the right idea with having different actors for them to make them feel more like their own characters.

[ABED]

Masako Nozawa as Bardock is my least favorite role from her. I almost wish they had a different actor for the role.

Masako Nozawa, in general, is overused as almost every male member of Goku's family & I wish she didn't play Gohan, Goten, or Bardock, tbh. Someone once tried to justify her playing Gohan because 1 of the manga chapters refers to him as "mini Goku," but that's taking that a bit too literally & really doesn't make any sense because Gohan's not Goku. Literally, to call someone's kid a "mini [them]" is to just say that they're their kid. Nothing more, nothing less. This doesn't mean they should have the same voice as their parents in animation, especially when the voice tone isn't any different than the older one. The dubs have the right idea with having different actors for them to make them feel more like their own characters.

They all are their own characters. I don't understand a lick of Japanese but all of those performances are fundamentally different that even without knowing the language, I can hear the differences.

My unpopular opinion is that the 2 retelling arcs in Super are as about the same as their movie counterparts. The Battle of Gods arc is good, but the ROF arc takes what was already bad about the movie and makes it worse.

[MasenkoHA]

I see no problem with Masako Nozawa voicing all 3 male members of the Son family as children. Various other dubs also made this decision such as the French and Latin American dub. Even the Ocean dub technically had Jillian Michaels voice all 3 of them, albeit she only voiced young Goku for that one flashback in the Buu saga and only voiced Gohan during the Cell Games. And then of course there’s Saffron Henderson and later Stephanie Nadolny voicing Goku and Gohan as children. Probably the only reason Nadolny didn’t voice Goten was because she was busy with og Dragon Ball.

Masako Nozawa gets a pass as adult Goku because she’s so damn good and it is her character. Like Pamela Adlon still voicing Bobby Hill as a teenager and now as as an adult in the recent revival of King of the Hill. Tullece obviously should be voiced by who ever is voicing Goku. Burdock having a similar voice also makes sense. It’s not about realism, kids were used to Goku sounding a certain way so in a tv special starring Goku’s father who looks just like Goku there is an internal logic in using the same voice.


So yeah, it’s really just older Gohan and Goten where Nozawa doesn’t work for me and I wish a different male actor had been used after puberty.

[Scsigs]

I see no problem with Masako Nozawa voicing all 3 male members of the Son family as children. Various other dubs also made this decision such as the French and Latin American dub. Even the Ocean dub technically had Jillian Michaels voice all 3 of them, albeit she only voiced young Goku for that one flashback in the Buu saga and only voiced Gohan during the Cell Games. And then of course there’s Saffron Henderson and later Stephanie Nadolny voicing Goku and Gohan as children. Probably the only reason Nadolny didn’t voice Goten was because she was busy with og Dragon Ball.

Masako Nozawa gets a pass as adult Goku because she’s so damn good and it is her character. Like Pamela Adlon still voicing Bobby Hill as a teenager and now as as an adult in the recent revival of King of the Hill. Tullece obviously should be voiced by who ever is voicing Goku. Burdock having a similar voice also makes sense. It’s not about realism, kids were used to Goku sounding a certain way so in a tv special starring Goku’s father who looks just like Goku there is an internal logic in using the same voice.

So yeah, it’s really just older Gohan and Goten where Nozawa doesn’t work for me and I wish a different male actor had been used after puberty.

I mean, as adults is where it's at its worst with her & really the meat of my argument. All 3 are never kids at the same point in time, so it's not much of a problem even if I think they also could've had different VAs for them as kids from Nozawa. As adults, I don't know how anyone doesn't just see, despite how the parts are written differently for the dialogue & the minute differences in Nozawa's performances, that they sound mostly the same & it's weird. It's like if you had Stephanie Nadolny or Colleen Clinkenbeard voice all 3 even as adults. THAT wouldn't work whatsoever no matter how different her performances for them are. She'd sound like Monkey D. Luffy for all of them & that wouldn't fit any of them as adults.

We don't know why exactly Nadolny wasn't cast as Goten & that's not exactly how that works in terms of scheduling recording times. Goku only has so many lines per episode &, depending on the week, if they had a suitable amount of episodes dubbed of OG DB where they didn't necessarily need her to record more for the time being, they could've had her record for Goten as well. My assumption is that Sabat wanted a different actor for Goten to set him apart from Goku & Gohan as kids, especially since Gohan was an older teenager in Buu. I mean, they did the same with casting 3 different actors for Freeza, Cooler, & Frost across these dubs rather than having all 3 voiced by Linda Young or Chris Ayres like in the Japanese.

I mean, for Goku's doppelgangers, I don't mind it. Turles was meant to be an evil Goku 20+ years before we got Goku Black, so I'm fine with it. I think the English dub should've kept that, tbh. And Bardock, I accept MistareFusion's conclusion that because Goku's not in the special much because he's a baby &, thus, doesn't talk, & not a lot of other familiar voices are heard in the special, Nozawa provides a link back to regular DB.

I mean, I'm not saying cartoons need to be realistic with who they have voice the characters. The decision to have Nozawa voice all them is about as valid as to have different VAs for them. I'm just saying that the decision to keep her as them isn't 1 I agree with & that reasoning someone once said to me is fucking stupid. That's all.

[JulieYBM]

When we go to the theater, we buy a troupe of actors all playing multiple parts. I don’t see how it isn't the same in other mediums, like voice acting and screen acting. When Gouri Daisuke voiced nearly 30 characters across four cartoons and seventeen films using mostly the same voice, I bought it because it was a damn good voice.

I don't really think it matters, so long as the performances are good, and Nozawa used to turn in really good performances. Once she no long provides new performances for Dragon Ball, I won't care if her roles are split up between multiple actors or just one actor, so long as the work is good.

[Hellspawn28]

Given that the 2020 Digimon Adventure reboot had a brand-new dub cast, I would like to see a DB anime remake or reboot do the same for its dub. CR should find someone who can mimic Nozawa's voice for Goku as a both kid and adult.

[Scsigs]

Given that the 2020 Digimon Adventure reboot had a brand-new dub cast, I would like to see a DB anime remake or reboot do the same for its dub. CR should find someone who can mimic Nozawa's voice for Goku as a both kid and adult.

Not likely to happen in either Japanese or English & a lot of dub fans wouldn't like that. It'd be dead on arrival.

[Basaku]

Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and Resurrection F was underwhelming and hasn't aged very well, especially decade later.
I also wished they didn't used "Z" in title; I understand it is continuation of Z (ignoring GT), but I honestly that's one of the reason why I have an issue with movie. It doesn't feel like "Z" that I grew up with.
It reminds me of how James Rolfe (Angry Video Game Nerd) had issue with Chinese Democracy, where it should not have been released under Guns N' Roses, since it's not the same as it was before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U-I1OF82qE
It's not the similar issue per-se, but more of personal issue.

Battle of Gods was meant to be major comeback to the franchise, especially after infamous live action adaptation, Dragonball Evolution, got overwhelmingly negative reception from fans and audiences, so I can understand its appeal, and it did have interesting new idea.
Resurrection F, really felt short and lackluster, since it was just an excuse to bring back Frieza and give him new power-up.
Both movies had interesting ideas, but felt short on execution.
I don't hate them and they are not a bad movies, but I honestly wish it was better.

ROF wasn't liked from the get go tho, so that didn't change much. BOG on the other hand was praised to heavens and still often is which was always puzzling to me. Yes it was cool to have a new major movie, yes Beerus ans Whis are great but other than that, I always had massive issues with it and its reception. It's a TV reunion special (and looks TV-budget too) with every reunion special trope imaginable. There's no plot, the shiny new form is a complete retconish asspull and on top of that... it's basically Yo Son Goku Special redone again

I give it a pass for being a revival attempt on the whole franchise. But on a narrative, storytelling, writing and cinematic level it's just not a movie to me, rather an expanded test-run or an ad for the potential new DB future (at the time)

[WittyUsername]

Personally, I think both the DBS retellings are a waste of time. The BoG retelling is basically a dragged out version of the movie with worse animation that makes Beerus more unlikable and the RF retelling does virtually nothing to improve an already lousy film. The one interesting idea it had was keeping Tagoma alive, but it’s ultimately just an excuse to bring back Ginyu for some shallow fanservice. Also, Piccolo’s death is so pointless that I keep forgetting they did that.

[JulieYBM]

I think that the retellings could have been very good, but in addition to having a non-existent production schedule and staff, they suffer from everything else that Toriyama is directly involved in: they played the story too safe.

[GhostEmperorX]

Beginning to think that both Movies 10 & 11 of Z were ultimately negligible, as in, they could have refrained from making any movies that year and not much would be lost.
Legitimately can't think of much of anything worth keeping from either one.

[JulieYBM]

That third Broli film had some sick fuckin' directing from Ueda Yoshihiro, that shit was good as hell.

Honestly, I'm not really sure just not producing films for that year is an unpopular opinion lol. People seem to hate those two films.

[WittyUsername]

Movie 11 is widely considered the worst movie in the franchise (unless you count DBE) and Movie 10 isn’t very well regarded either, so that’s probably not an unpopular opinion.