The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Rocketman]

Why would you place Piccolo below Freeza just because of Trunks being the measuring stick?

Because Trunks is roughly equal to Goku on Namek.

[Fox666]

Because Trunks is roughly equal to Goku on Namek.

Huh, that was a mistranslation. Gohan says Trunks has the same Ki as his father, not of the same size.

[Rocketman]

Same difference. If Trunks was far above Goku on Namek (or, for that matter, Goku was far stronger), then Gohan would've made some comment about it.

[Fox666]

Gohan: “It’s fa-father!!! It’s the same ki as father back then!!”

It looks like Gohan just recognized the Ki as of Goku, I doubt he was carefull enough about the size of the Ki. Similarily to how Vegeta could tell Kuririn wasn't a namekian by his Ki.

[CatouttaHell]

Trunks was stated to be able to one-shot Mecha-Freeza who should be >= SSjin Goku (Namek.) He's at 225 million at minimum IMO.

Jinzoningen arc Piccolo (+ Nail) vs. GT Pan, both of them where strong enough to take down Gero pretty easy from what I can remember. Since no one answer to my Garlic Jr vs. Gero battle then who will win this one?

Pan roflstomps any form of Piccolo except for maybe GT Piccolo.

[perucho1990]

Trunks was stated to be able to one-shot Mecha-Freeza who should be >= SSjin Goku (Namek.) He's at 225 million at minimum IMO.

Jinzoningen arc Piccolo (+ Nail) vs. GT Pan, both of them where strong enough to take down Gero pretty easy from what I can remember. Since no one answer to my Garlic Jr vs. Gero battle then who will win this one?

Pan roflstomps any form of Piccolo except for maybe GT Piccolo.

How strong is GT Pan? Around Cells?(Perfect Cell)?

[Fox666]

Trunks was stated to be able to one-shot Mecha-Freeza

Why do you have to restrict every line in the manga to battle power-related? They only said that Trunks cut Freeza in half with his sword.

[Hellspawn28]

How strong is GT Pan? Around Cells?(Perfect Cell)?

It been a while since I watch GT but I remember Pan was strong enough to hold Gero against his will and help kill Liu Xing Long (Oceanus Shenron). I think she should be around Freeza's level in his later froms?

[CatouttaHell]

How strong is GT Pan? Around Cells?(Perfect Cell)?

She's worlds above Cell IMO. Base Goku at the beginning of GT is probably on par with SSjin 3 Goku from the Boo arc at the very least.

He goes SSjin to beat down Redjic, which is recorded by Gill. When they get to M2 Gill uploads the data of Son Goku fighting and the Sigma Bots believe they can defeat him based on that.

Pan destroyed the weakest of the Sigma Bots once she got enraged. While we don't know how much weaker he was than his cohorts, it's probably safe to say Pan is at least SSjin 3 tier (Boo arc-wise) by this point in time IMO.

Why do you have to restrict every line in the manga to battle power-related? They only said that Trunks cut Freeza in half with his sword.

Trunks told Freeza and Cold to use their full power and that he'd destroy them in instant. That's a clear "I can one-shot Mecha-Freeza" statement.

[Fox666]

You mean this line?

Trunks: “Come at me at full power right from the start. I’m not soft like Son Goku-san…”

This line means exactly what it says, Trunks is not kind like Goku, he won't wait for Freeza to reach his 100% or so.

And despite Herms description ("Context: challenging Freeza and Cold") technically Trunks was talking only to Freeza at the time. It wouldn't make much sense for Trunks to tell Cold that, since Cold never meet Goku.

[lash]

How strong is GT Pan? Around Cells?(Perfect Cell)?

She's not a Super Saiyan, neither is she more powerful than a rusty Goten or Trunks. But she can easily handle no 20. Personally, I wouldn't put her past full power Freeza.

Trunks: “Come at me at full power right from the start. I’m not soft like Son Goku-san…”
This line means exactly what it says, Trunks is not kind like Goku, he won't wait for Freeza to reach his 100% or so.


And despite Herms description ("Context: challenging Freeza and Cold") technically Trunks was talking only to Freeza at the time. It wouldn't make much sense for Trunks to tell Cold that, since Cold never meet Goku.

Your analysis doesn't really seem to add up. It may in fact be considered a contradiction.

Trunks is directly warning Freeza to attack at full power from the start(as Freeza was contemplating torturing him a page earlier)...*note Trunks is in his normal relaxed form. Why is he warning them to attack all out right away? Because he is not soft like Goku and would otherwise obliterate them instantly without mercy.

He essentially tells them to go 100%, yet you're saying he won't wait for Freeza to go 100%?

Trunks is pretty much saying "stop dicking around Freeza" and take me seriously like you mean it if you want to even have up to a 1% chance of winning. I'm not going to dick around like Goku might.


Trunks was talking to both of them. He just said he'd annihilate them "both" instantly a page prior. Just because Cold isn't familiar with Goku(which he very well could be from statements from Freeza about the fight), doesn't mean he's suddenly no longer being addressed in Trunks' comparison.

[Saiga]

Pan stomps Piccolo, and in response to your other question (which I didn't see before, sorry) I think Gero would beat Garlic Junior.

And I have Trunks at roughly the same as Goku vs Freeza. That's a pretty fair estimate. Freeza can't sense ki, so there is no way he knows how strong SS Goku was, so I doubt he was stronger than him. He was just being arrogant.

[Fox666]

He essentially tells them to go 100%, yet you're saying he won't wait for Freeza to go 100%?

Yes. Trunks is telling Freeza to use all of his power from the start, because he is not gentle to let him do it in the middle of a battle.

[lash]

He essentially tells them to go 100%, yet you're saying he won't wait for Freeza to go 100%?

Yes. Trunks is telling Freeza to use all of his power from the start, because he is not gentle to let him do it in the middle of a battle.

Exactly. So how does that disprove or belittle this statement here?

Trunks told Freeza and Cold to use their full power and that he'd destroy them in instant. That's a clear "I can one-shot Mecha-Freeza" statement.

By the sounds of it, CatouttaHell seems justified in the conclusion he reached.

Unless you're actually agreeing with him and I just misinterpreted you?

[Rocketman]

Freeza wasn't at 100% power. Namek SS Goku could just as easily one-shot 50% or weaker Freeza, especially if he used a cutting attack instead of blunt force.

Hell, for that matter, Saiyan Arc Krillin could kill 100% Freeza with a cutting attack.

[Kid Buu]

Hell, for that matter, Saiyan Arc Krillin could kill 100% Freeza with a cutting attack.

I've always wondered how much truth is to this. I mean, we saw Freeza get cut in half on Namek and he still kept fighting that time....

[Rocketman]

I've always wondered how much truth is to this. I mean, we saw Freeza get cut in half on Namek and he still kept fighting that time....

Cut him like Trunks did, I meant, not a sideways cut.

[Kid Buu]

I've always wondered how much truth is to this. I mean, we saw Freeza get cut in half on Namek and he still kept fighting that time....

Cut him like Trunks did, I meant, not a sideways cut.

Oh right, yes you are right. A Saiyan Saga Krillin could probably beat beat if he cut him vertically.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It also helps that Trunks was strong enough to slice Freeza in two. I doubt everyone is capable of this just because they're wielding a sword.

[In Brightest Day]

I've got another battle:

Son Goku (pre-Super Saiyan) vs. Piccolo (after his fusion with Nail) & Vegeta.