Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
fadeddreams5 wrote:How long is the gap between the Buu saga and EoZ? 10 years?
10 Years. BoG takes place 4 years into that, with RoF a year or so afterwards.
I confused it with the middle of the Cell arc and Buu arc, where it's a 7 year gap, IIRC.
We have more movies to come, in that case! : D
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Hellspawn28 wrote:Goku not going SSj does make sense since it can explain why he didn't go SSj against Uub at the end of DBZ. Once Goku has godly ki, he is much stronger in his base form now.
Not really, only if you think that Oob in Tenkaichi Budokai had the same power as Kid Boo, which I don't think so. I think that Oob at that time had a hidden powers and with proper training could reach Kid Boo level or something even greater than that.
Besides I think that Goku became so powerful (If we count BoG and RoF) before EoZ that I feel that contradicts a little the EoZ itself
Bullza wrote:
I suppose Fox could help give the movie a theatrical release in the States, maybe 1,000 theatres or something like that. It wouldn't warrant having a wide release like your ordinary blockbuster after all.
I think another limited release is more likely for ROF in the US. Foreign movies get almost zero respect by Hollywood and anime is view as too niche for Hollywood. Studio Ghibi movies get support by Disney and have a lot of oscar buzz behind them.
Doctor. wrote:We probably have another movie after FnF, I reckon. Those "3 years" at the end of BoG weren't there for nothing.
If FnF makes more money in Japan than BOG did, that's a guarantee that another DBZ movie will happen in the next 2 years.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
ROF seems to take place a year after BOG. I think more movies before end of DBZ and after Goku leaves with Uub will happen as long if they keep on making money and Toriyama is welcome to write more stories.
Bullza wrote:I suppose Fox could help give the movie a theatrical release in the States, maybe 1,000 theatres or something like that. It wouldn't warrant having a wide release like your ordinary blockbuster after all.
If FnF were to get 1000 screens, that would certainly be amazing.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
AvatarReiko wrote:
Actually you are the one making assumptions…the assumption that there will be new movies after RoF. As it stands now, the Goku Oob fights is the Goku from RoF. Unless you also think that Goku somehow loses his god power?
No, regardless of whether or not there are movies after RoF, there is still a blank 5 years between RoF and EoZ.
Your point being?
Yes, as it current stands, Uub fights this version of Goku.
FutureGohanSSJ2 wrote:
AvatarReiko wrote:@Herms: Why are scanslations a "big no,no"? I am pretty new here.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Goku not going SSj does make sense since it can explain why he didn't go SSj against Uub at the end of DBZ. Once Goku has godly ki, he is much stronger in his base form now.
The problem is, this would also mean that Oob fought on par with a God.
Goku was in no way trying in that fight. Uub wasn't on-par with him. Uub was literally learning to fight while he was fighting. Incredibly inexperienced. If he was on-par with Goku, then Goku's weaker than we thought. He wad holding back.
Re-watch the fight. They both fight evenly.
Goku states that Oob will be a challenge at that someone other then him and his friends could win. Moroever, he wanted Buu to rigged the fights both he can Oob could fight while they were fresh
AvatarReiko wrote:
Actually you are the one making assumptions…the assumption that there will be new movies after RoF. As it stands now, the Goku Oob fights is the Goku from RoF. Unless you also think that Goku somehow loses his god power?
No, regardless of whether or not there are movies after RoF, there is still a blank 5 years between RoF and EoZ.
Your point being?
The point is that there is currently a 6 year gap in the timeline where we have no idea what happens. So trying to say the movies contradict anything at this point is ridiculous.
AvatarReiko wrote:
Actually you are the one making assumptions…the assumption that there will be new movies after RoF. As it stands now, the Goku Oob fights is the Goku from RoF. Unless you also think that Goku somehow loses his god power?
No, regardless of whether or not there are movies after RoF, there is still a blank 5 years between RoF and EoZ.
Your point being?
The point is that we have no idea if they'll even keep EOZ in mind. They may retcon it, or depower Goku and Vegeta later. Besides perhaps the ending makes sense. If Freeza training in 4 month's can be some sort of god. Then Oob training in a lesser amount of time would be even more incredible, since he is the reincarnation of Boo, the guy who could learn techniques by seeing them once.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Flying Postman Press?
"Cover Model
Freeza
from Dragon Ball Z
Resurrection ´F`
This month's theme is boyhood."
We get some details on his boyhood? And that's the official English title?
I think the "Boyhood"-thing might be referring to a different movie entirely. Wasn't there a movie by that name that came out recently? One where they'd, like, cast a kid a decade ago and then filmed his life for ten years or something?
Also I would be totally okay if "Resurrection F" turns out to be the official English title seeing how that's the title I've been using anyway... but I wouldn't consider "English text on the front-page of some Japanese magazine" to be the most reliable of sources for what the movie will be called in international markets.
dbzfan7 wrote:The point is that we have no idea if they'll even keep EOZ in mind. They may retcon it, or depower Goku and Vegeta later. Besides perhaps the ending makes sense. If Freeza training in 4 month's can be some sort of god. Then Oob training in a lesser amount of time would be even more incredible, since he is the reincarnation of Boo, the guy who could learn techniques by seeing them once.
I think, if anything, we just need a little correction reagarding the EoZ if Goku won't loose his God powers after RoF. Something like Goku becomes excited that he knew Freeza from RoF that he had become even stronger than himself training only for 4 months, so Uub being even stronger from the start, Goku should have him as his student and he can upgrade him onto his own current level as a God in very short amount of time, and even stronger. By that he can also become stronger by a having an incredible sparring partner. In that case if Uub is really young Goku can die without any worry as the next Earth defender exists, maybe even bigger prodigy than himself or his son, Gohan(maybe we might add Goten and Trunks).
English is not my first language!
I'm still waiting for Dragon Ball in Super...
Goku could be excited for Uub for a very simple reason.
If he sees how much stronger Freeza got in a mere 4 months, he can surely imagine how strong Uub would be in a few months or years of training. So even if his Base > Super Vegetto, if a enemy who was previously one shot material got to Goku Ass Kicking Level in 4 months, surely the reincarnation of Buu would be capable of far, far more.
If FnF were to get 1000 screens, that would certainly be amazing.
It might not happen but it's not impossible. When Battle of Gods was announced it was for 4 days in 350 theatres but that later became 10 days in 800 theatres so I think they probably underestimated the demand.
Similiar thing happened in Australia so perhaps they'll go bigger from the start with this one.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Goku could be excited for Uub for a very simple reason.
If he sees how much stronger Freeza got in a mere 4 months, he can surely imagine how strong Uub would be in a few months or years of training. So even if his Base > Super Vegetto, if a enemy who was previously one shot material got to Goku Ass Kicking Level in 4 months, surely the reincarnation of Buu would be capable of far, far more.
Exactly. We should get Fat Boo to work it, he'd shitstomp Beerus and turn him into candy after what happened in Battle of Gods.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Goku could be excited for Uub for a very simple reason.
If he sees how much stronger Freeza got in a mere 4 months, he can surely imagine how strong Uub would be in a few months or years of training. So even if his Base > Super Vegetto, if a enemy who was previously one shot material got to Goku Ass Kicking Level in 4 months, surely the reincarnation of Buu would be capable of far, far more.
Exactly. We should get Fat Boo to work it, he'd shitstomp Beerus and turn him into candy after what happened in Battle of Gods.
Not before Beerus turns his ass into sand.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
dbzfan7 wrote:The point is that we have no idea if they'll even keep EOZ in mind. They may retcon it, or depower Goku and Vegeta later. Besides perhaps the ending makes sense. If Freeza training in 4 month's can be some sort of god. Then Oob training in a lesser amount of time would be even more incredible, since he is the reincarnation of Boo, the guy who could learn techniques by seeing them once.
Goku loosing his God Powers seems to be a valuable explanation to his excitment towards Oob, I hope they do something like that... A retcom would be real lame
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Goku could be excited for Uub for a very simple reason.
If he sees how much stronger Freeza got in a mere 4 months, he can surely imagine how strong Uub would be in a few months or years of training. So even if his Base > Super Vegetto, if a enemy who was previously one shot material got to Goku Ass Kicking Level in 4 months, surely the reincarnation of Buu would be capable of far, far more.
Oh... Just reading that in bold makes me sick. Vegetto supposed to be a End Game character and now is he is below so many others, so sad.
dbzfan7 wrote:Exactly. We should get Fat Boo to work it, he'd shitstomp Beerus and turn him into candy after what happened in Battle of Gods.
All that concept of "Anyone can become a Elite if they train hard though" introduced in RoF seems to be a fail to me. Villains training and stuff, so anyone with training can surpass anyone... Maybe if Vegetto trains for 4 months he could surpass a Potara Fusion Beerus + Whis lol
Kakarot9001 wrote:All that concept of "Anyone can become a Elite if they train hard though" introduced in RoF seems to be a fail to me.
Uh...that started decades ago. All of the Saiyans' talk of Elites and Goku saying that even an elite can be surpassed through hard work and training. Goku wasn't an elite, yet surpassed all the supposed elites.
Hell, Goku'd probably be pleased that Freeza trained his way to a level worthy of fighting him at (though not a fan of the whole evil thing). What's the point for a guy like Goku to gain power only to surpass everyone? He wants foes worthy to fight and push against.
