Asura wrote:8bitdee wrote:Asura wrote:
I don't think you get the point. His initial post said there were only a few frames of reused animation, someone else corrected him saying there are more than a few, to which he replied "Stop trying to impose your opinion on to mine."
Like I said, the amount of reused frames is fact, not opinion, it's a hard number.
No. This type of thinking is you guys trying to get me to admit that there was something wrong with the reused animation. There wasn't anything wrong with it, for me. To me, they were a few frames because I only noticed a few frames. Whether it was two minutes or 10 minutes of reused animation, it doesn't matter that there is a hard number, because it doesn't change my opinion. Facts don't matter because this isn't a science experiment. It's an entertainment show, where you are allowed to like it or dislike based on your experience while watching it, not because people beating you over the head with facts. Your facts influence your opinion of the show, I don't question that. But they don't influence mine, so why keep trying to make me change my mind.
majinwarman wrote:
That is your opinion and you are entitled to that. Others may not have enjoyed watching the same frames again but we must all agree to disagree.
That's exactly what's been happening on my part. I asked why reusing animation was a taboo, and I got a response from people like Ajay who gave me their reasons. And I didn't question them. I asked something, I got an answer. That's what having a discussion is. Then I got asked why I can defend reused animation for which I gave answer. I've just been discussing things. I haven't been discrediting people's opinions for not liking the episode.
However, when I state MY opinion that I personally didn't mind how the episode was produced at all, my opinion gets challenged like there's something wrong with me for accepting reused animation. Like it's a taboo for someone to accept such heinous acts from Toei. It seems that in this forum you can have an opinion as long as everyone agrees with it, otherwise you get piled on for enjoying an 20 minute tv episode.
I don’t know if it’s just your guys’ reading comprehension or if I’m not clear enough, but you said there was just “a few” frames of repeated animation, to which someone replied that there was a lot more than a few, and somehow you’ve taken that as us trying to forcefully change your opinion or something. No one is doing that, we’re simply correcting you saying there was only a few frames of repeated animation because that’s completely wrong.
Amir has been more understanding.
This is not true for yourself
In your response to me here, you were very forceful
Asura wrote:Again, this is the finale of the show. You should not be having to "sacrifice" episodes so that future ones can be better. UI Goku vs Jiren shouldn't be pushed aside like "nah bro it's cool his hair hasn't turned white yet so it's ok to just have LITERALLY half the fight be re-used shit everyone's seen before". It doesn't matter what you blame it on, it came out looking like it did anyway. There was a lot of good stuff but none of the new animation really even came close to what we saw in 110 aside from the special effects and the last few minutes.
If this is a preview of what's to come in 130, I am incredibly worried about this show's finale (hell, I already am) and the negatives would far, far outweigh the positives. We already saw a re-used shot from Goku vs Kefla in the 130 preview so that really does not give me much hope right now, but I am hoping I'll be wrong. People let Super get away with too much shit, I swear. This is simply not acceptable for the finale of any show to be re-using this much animation, and the hoops people are trying to jump through ("129 isn't the finale, 131 is!" "We already saw UI Goku vs Jiren back in 110 we didn't need to see it again.", etc.) to convince others that this is perfectly fine. No, it's not perfectly fine.
This finale needs to be on the same level that 110 was, anything less and it's failed to deliver.
You are forceful in claiming the re-used animation was a major deal breaker (over those who say it wasn't as big of a deal)
"People let Super get away with too much shit, I swear"
That's a quote directly from you
You seem to have trouble understanding that people could have liked the episode regardless of re-used animation, or have been ok with the re-used animation considering everything else.
You dont want that to be the case, and seem upset that people are "just defending it" in your eyes
I myself never denied it was a flaw. I'm just saying that that flaw didn't distract form the greatness of the episode for me, at all.
Your tone is kind of harsh and not understanding of those who disagree
You strongly state "no it's not perfectly fine"....
Amir has gotten his point across well without being agressive and a bit confrontational like you
Again, it's ok to have either opinion and like or dislike the episode. That's all fine. I know that re-used animation occured and that it was a flaw.
Those like me who liked the episode never stated that re-used animation never occurred - just that it didn't matter - nor did it take away from the episode.
You however are very strongly implying that we are wrong, that people let Super get away with too much shit, that its not fine etc. It's your forceful agressive attitude.
You yourself said there was 2 mins of new animation compared to the 2 mins of reused animation
So lets not ignore the 2 new mins. The 2 mins of new animation were absolutely stellar
And it's not like the re-used animation was BAD re-used animation. It was animation that was great to begin with.
Just my friendly 2 cents. This is discussion
Enjoy these awesome scenes that were new
And there's many more examples that can be shown: )
