Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Dyno]

Like whom? The only ones that come to mind (that aren't dead) are Goten, (kid) Trunks and Oob. And seeing as how Oob is still 5 years away and these two are severely outclassed, I don't really see how it could happen.

Saiyans' background; Bardock, Gine and King Vegeta (optionally: Raditz, Nappa and etc). Toriyama said that we "won't see Bardock unless in past stories", so I can't get your idea, a character does not need to be alive to estabishes his screen-time/worthy...

Freeza's background; King Cold... It was not necessarily to bring him back for the same reason as Trunks, but now that he appeared again, explain him better, his transformations, why does he and his father are "mutants"...

Many that were forgotten in Z.

This pretty much estabilishes the only negative side of Toriyama (when compared to Eiichiro Oda and Masashi Kishimoto, at least), there aren't characters development aside from the obvious, the protagonists.
Minato Namikaze was dead and he had an important role since the beginning. Pretty sure Monkey D. Dragon will have the same role to his son.

Well... I'm afraid I'll have to stop here, can't let this thread get the real intention of the topic. So... Whenever you want to talk about this in a more adequate place, the pleasure will be mine to discuss it.

[Kakarot9001]

Oh God please no.

Oh come on, don't be like that!

I can imagine the SSJD Broly rubbing Beerus and Whis faces on the ground, so awesome!

[jcogginsa]

If they brought Broly back, they'd need to do something different with him. Like a redemption story

[Doctor.]

Like whom? The only ones that come to mind (that aren't dead) are Goten, (kid) Trunks and Oob. And seeing as how Oob is still 5 years away and these two are severely outclassed, I don't really see how it could happen.

Saiyans' background; Bardock, Gine and King Vegeta (optionally: Raditz, Nappa and etc). Toriyama said that we "won't see Bardock unless in past stories", so I can't get your idea, a character does not need to be alive to estabishes his screen-time/worthy...

Freeza's background; King Cold... It was not necessarily to bring him back for the same reason as Trunks, but now that he appeared again, explain him better, his transformations, why does he and his father are "mutants"...

Many that were forgotten in Z.

This pretty much estabilishes the only negative side of Toriyama (when compared to Eiichiro Oda and Masashi Kishimoto, at least), there aren't characters development aside from the obvious, the protagonists.
Minato Namikaze was dead and he had an important role since the beginning. Pretty sure Monkey D. Dragon will have the same role to his son.

Well... I'm afraid I'll have to stop here, can't let this thread get the real intention of the topic. So... Whenever you want to talk about this in a more adequate place, the pleasure will be mine to discuss it.

Toriyama doesn't usually dive into old characters' past besides interviews, so I doubt he would. And I always loved that Bardock, besides being the one who organized the revolt, wasn't all that special. I hate the trope of how the main character's father in Shonen, always has to be some kind of top dog in the verse.

Oh come on, don't be like that!

I can imagine the SSJD Broly rubbing Beerus and Whis faces on the ground, so awesome!

More of what made M8 and M10 so terrible then?

[Lord Beerus]

Honestly, I don't get why some folks are so bothered about how Freeza gets a power up. If the fights are as awesome as the trailer suggests then does it really matter how Freeza got his power? We literally had Goku go two stages of Super Saiyan out of nowhere in the past.

And remember when Gohan sat on his ass for a few hours and got a power up that lead to him jumping over Dabra, SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, Fat Boo, Kid Boo and Super Boo and Super Boo/w Kamiccolo absorbed in terms of strength? And yet nobody batted an eyelid to that.

...are you joking? People bitch about that constantly, probably more than any other power up in the manga.

Seriously? Because I have never seen anybody complain about that. Hell, I've seen more people call SSJ3 bullshit than the concept of Ultimate/Mystic Gohan.

I can imagine the SSJD Broly rubbing Beerus and Whis faces on the ground, so awesome!

Are you kidding me?

[ekrolo2]

Honestly, I don't get why some folks are so bothered about how Freeza gets a power up. If the fights are as awesome as the trailer suggests then does it really matter how Freeza got his power? We literally had Goku go two stages of Super Saiyan out of nowhere in the past.

And remember when Gohan sat on his ass for a few hours and got a power up that lead to him jumping over Dabra, SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, Fat Boo, Kid Boo and Super Boo and Super Boo/w Kamiccolo absorbed in terms of strength? And yet nobody batted an eyelid to that.[/quote]

...are you joking? People bitch about that constantly, probably more than any other power up in the manga.[/quote]
Seriously? Because I have never seen anybody complain about that. Hell, I've seen more people call SSJ3 bullshit than the concept of Ultimate/Mystic Gohan.[/quote]

People complain about SSJ3? I know they're bothered by the lack of eyebrows (and yet them turning into Giant monkeys is okay) but is it that far fetched of a concept?

[Lord Beerus]

People complain about SSJ3? I know they're bothered by the lack of eyebrows (and yet them turning into Giant monkeys is okay) but is it that far fetched of a concept?

It more to due with the fact of how SSJ3 is achieved and the fact that Goku got it while Vegeta was effectively left in the dust. That was what annoyed quite a few DBZ and Vegeta fans.

[jcogginsa]

From a plotting perspective, Ultimate Gohan is better handled than SSJ3, since it builds up;on past plot points and is obtained in the story itself

[Kakarot9001]

If they brought Broly back, they'd need to do something different with him. Like a redemption story

Broly becoming a good guy? That's not a good idea, man.

More of what made M8 and M10 so terrible then?

Not really. With a proper development they could make a great movie

Seriously? Because I have never seen anybody complain about that. Hell, I've seen more people call SSJ3 bullshit than the concept of Ultimate/Mystic Gohan.

Because a main character and also a good guy power-up is acceptable but a bad guy power-up by training is not. And Gohan was always stated to have hidden powers, so I don't see like a bad thing, Elder Kai unlock all his full potential at once

[ekrolo2]

People complain about SSJ3? I know they're bothered by the lack of eyebrows (and yet them turning into Giant monkeys is okay) but is it that far fetched of a concept?

It more to due with the fact of how SSJ3 is achieved and the fact that Goku got it while Vegeta was effectively left in the dust. That was what annoyed quite a few DBZ and Vegeta fans.

I can see that, still with a dead body, surrounded by who knows how many martial arts masters and seven years of pretty much endless training its not really that much of a stretch to assume Goku would've been able to advance farther than Vegeta. Vegeta only had his gravity machine and was on Earth on top of being a dad, not exactly the ideal conditions to train like Goku had.

[Lord Beerus]

From a plotting perspective, Ultimate Gohan is better handled than SSJ3, since it builds up;on past plot points and is obtained in the story itself

So is SSJ3. It works like every other SSJ transformation prior to it; put in X amount of training and get X amount of results.

Okay, let's get this thread back on track.

Does anyone expect any major deaths in ROF?

[Saiga]

Seriously? Because I have never seen anybody complain about that. Hell, I've seen more people call SSJ3 bullshit than the concept of Ultimate/Mystic Gohan.

It's really quite common. Complaints about Gohan sitting on his ass to get a free power up, that he has had his potential unlocked before, that Super Saiyan 2 was his hidden power, U. Gohan being stronger than Goku/Vegeta, etc... I don't know how you haven't seen that.

Can't think of a more complained power up off the top of my head.

So is SSJ3. It works like every other SSJ transformation prior to it; put in X amount of training and get X amount of results.

No, it doesn't... we're never given an actual format for how Super Saiyan transformations work, we've seen people train to get them but they've always had build up instead of coming up after being introduced.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Honestly, I don't get why some folks are so bothered about how Freeza gets a power up. If the fights are as awesome as the trailer suggests then does it really matter how Freeza got his power? We literally had Goku go two stages of Super Saiyan out of nowhere in the past.

And remember when Gohan sat on his ass for a few hours and got a power up that lead to him jumping over Dabra, SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, Fat Boo, Kid Boo and Super Boo and Super Boo/w Kamiccolo absorbed in terms of strength? And yet nobody batted an eyelid to that.

Exactly! Brilliant example. People love Mystic Gohan and yet no-one ever seems to acknowledge how lame it was for him to actually become Mystic, which is my point if it leads to something awesome then the journey if you will does not matter one bit, and if Golden Freeza is awesome and we have some intense brutal fights then does it really matter how Freeza achieved all this power?

[Doctor.]

Does anyone expect any major deaths in ROF?

Yes, everyone on Earth and possibly Goku as well.

[Lord Beerus]

Honestly, I don't get why some folks are so bothered about how Freeza gets a power up. If the fights are as awesome as the trailer suggests then does it really matter how Freeza got his power? We literally had Goku go two stages of Super Saiyan out of nowhere in the past.

And remember when Gohan sat on his ass for a few hours and got a power up that lead to him jumping over Dabra, SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, Fat Boo, Kid Boo and Super Boo and Super Boo/w Kamiccolo absorbed in terms of strength? And yet nobody batted an eyelid to that.

Exactly! Brilliant example. People love Mystic Gohan and yet no-one ever seems to acknowledge how lame it was for him to actually become Mystic, which is my point if it leads to something awesome then the journey if you will does not matter one bit, and if Golden Freeza is awesome and we have some intense brutal fights then does it really matter how Freeza achieved all this power?

No. Because Freeza is not Saiyan. And only Saiyans can get special treatment.

[Kamiccolo9]

Honestly, I don't get why some folks are so bothered about how Freeza gets a power up. If the fights are as awesome as the trailer suggests then does it really matter how Freeza got his power? We literally had Goku go two stages of Super Saiyan out of nowhere in the past.

And remember when Gohan sat on his ass for a few hours and got a power up that lead to him jumping over Dabra, SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, Fat Boo, Kid Boo and Super Boo and Super Boo/w Kamiccolo absorbed in terms of strength? And yet nobody batted an eyelid to that.

Exactly! Brilliant example. People love Mystic Gohan and yet no-one ever seems to acknowledge how lame it was for him to actually become Mystic, which is my point if it leads to something awesome then the journey if you will does not matter one bit, and if Golden Freeza is awesome and we have some intense brutal fights then does it really matter how Freeza achieved all this power?

Gohan had to work to get his power just like everyone else did; it was just a different kind of work. Mental stress instead of physical stress.

Tell me, if you were a super strong, family-devoted super hero, what would be harder: training, or having to stay off the front-lines, while there was a monster destroying your world, killing your family, knowing that you could stop him as soon as your time was up? Because that's what Gohan did. Gohan's powerup resulted in his family and friends dying, and him not being able to help them.

Honestly, it was a nice change from the "drink water to get stronger" like Goku, or the "let me put my hand on your head" that the Great Elder did. It was much better than the offscreen obtaining of SSJ2 and 3 for Goku and Vegeta. This was a powerup that had consequences, like Goku's SSJ1 and Gohan's SSJ2.

[Lord Beerus]

It's really quite common. Complaints about Gohan sitting on his ass to get a free power up, that he has had his potential unlocked before, that Super Saiyan 2 was his hidden power, U. Gohan being stronger than Goku/Vegeta, etc... I don't know how you haven't seen that.

I haven't been a part of this forum long enough. Gimme me a break, Saiga.

[Bullza]

Why is Broly being brought up again? He isn't going to be in any of these movies at all and neither should he.

[Lord Beerus]

Why is Broly being brought up again? He isn't going to be in any of these movies at all and neither should he.

Because Kakarot9001 keeps bringing the idea of Broly getting another movie. Takao Koyama would be proud.

[Dyno]

Because Kakarot9001 keeps bringing the idea of Broly getting another movie. Takao Koyama would be proud.

And a lot of amount of "fans".